Hello, all:
I just got a bunch of interesting documents and related items. The
drafting and flowcharting templates are especially interesting :-).
(1) "1.1.84-1.1.89: Five Years That Changed the Way the World Communicates"
(InformationWeek special issue, 114 pp).
(2) "Standard Specification for S-100 Bus Interface Devices" (IEEE, 1979).
(3) "Microprocessor Assembly Language Draft Standard" (IEEE, 1979).
(4) "Cybernation: The Silent Conquest", by Donald N. Michael (Report to
the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions, 1962.)
(5) "8080 Microcomputer Systems User's Manual" (Intel, 1975, ca. 200 pp).
(6) "8080 Microcomputer Peripherals User's Manual" (Intel, 1976, ca. 90 pp).
(7) "Selected Examples of Possible Approaches to Electronic Communication
Interception Operations" (Mitre Corporation, 1977).
(8) "Computers, Spies, and Private Lives" (Nova/PBS, 1981).
(9) "IBM System/370 References Summary" (Fifth edition, 1981).
(10) "IBM Operator's Library: JES2 Command Language Reference Summary"
(1983)
(11) "If you can point, you can use a Macintosh." (Original Apple color
brochure announcing the Macintosh, 1984).
(12) "CP/M Programmer's Reference Guide" (Sol Libes, 1982).
(13) "8080 Assembly Language Reference Card" (Intel, March 1976).
(14) "AIM 65 Summary Card" (Rockwell, March 1979).
(15) "IBM Flowcharting Template" (reflecting ISO 1028 and ANSI X3.5-1970).
(16) "Standard Logic Symbols Template #1219" (Pickett, MIL.STD. 806 ASA
Y32.14)
[ Rich Cini/WUGNET
[ ClubWin!/CW7
[ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
[ Collector of "classic" computers
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
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>> I do see real ratty ones for $10-$20 at flea markets,
>> with almost certain holes in the bellows and gummy shutters on the lenses,
>> and usually with visibly broken rangefinders. These are things that can
>> be patched up, certainly, but I wouldn't turn an absolute beginner onto
>> such a fixer-upper when for a very reasonable price you can get a clean
>> one.
>Sounds like quite a fun project, though. I don't subscribe to the myth
>that cameras can't be fixed at home, and that parts for them can't be
>made. I do both when I need to. Maybe I'm not an 'absolute beginner' :-)
No, you aren't :-). There's nothing incredibly complicated about getting
a fixer-upper back into reasonable shape. If a shutter is truly worn
out (not impossible for something that's been in professional service
for several decades!) entirely new shutters/apertures are still available.
See, for example, http://www.skgrimes.com/ . And new bellows,
ground glass, etc., are all available for a price. It certainly is cheaper
to get a "clean" used camera than a really ratty one where all the parts
need to be replaced, but there are ones "in-between" where a little bit
of TLC is all it needs to become usable.
>A large format camera is something that I want to have a go at making
>sometime. It doesn't look _too_ hard - certainly no worse than the sorts
>of things that model engineers routinely make. I'll not know until I try,
>I guess...
Take a serious look at the Bender view camera kit, http://www.benderphoto.com/
I'm certain it can be improved on :-). Personally, I prefer metal-bodied
view cameras for their durability.
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Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
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>On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com wrote:
>> > Are there any
>> > polaroids out there with interchangeable lenses ?
>> Not in their current lineup.
>?? the backs for REAL cameras are no longer available??
No, I was simply remarking about the Polaroid-brand cameras.
>> Of course, if you're using a camera better than a 35mm
>> (say, a Medium Format or Large Format camera) you just put
>> a polaroid back on your camera and you're there.
>Thus having interchangable lenses.
>In addition, is the "Speed Magny"? still around? That was a Polaroid
>back for a Nikon F! It wrapped around the bottom with mirrors or prisms,
>so that the back was actually facing the subject.
Never *ever* saw one of those. How big was the resulting polaroid
exposure (i.e. was there optics in there to make it larger than 24mm x
36mm?)
>> At least here in the US, if you check out the swap meets and
>> flea markets it's easy to find an older 4x5 Crown Graphic with
>> good quality lens and 4x5 polaroid back for a few hundred $.
>> I got mine with a 127mm Ektar, a truly excellent lens from the
>> late 40's.
>Arrrgggh! "a few hundred $"?!? What are they on E-BAY?!? I got my
>cameras back when prices were reasonable (60s,70s), as in $20 for Graflex.
Well, my introduction came in the late 80's and early 90's, when I started
getting into cameras and darkroom stuff. A few hundred dollars will
still (my prices are based on what I see at Camera shows and
dealers, not from E-bay) buy you a clean Crown Graphic with a perfectly
operating lens, some film holders, and a roll-film or polaroid back.
I do see real ratty ones for $10-$20 at flea markets,
with almost certain holes in the bellows and gummy shutters on the lenses,
and usually with visibly broken rangefinders. These are things that can
be patched up, certainly, but I wouldn't turn an absolute beginner onto
such a fixer-upper when for a very reasonable price you can get a clean
one.
As a step up from the Crown Graphic, you can get an excellent used monorail
view camera with full movements for just a little more money. I got
my Calumet 4x5, 20" bellows extension monorail with a bunch of film holders
and a not-so-bad 210mm Japanese process lens from the mid-70's for $250. The
process lens, not surprisingly, is *excellent* for macro work. Brand
new setups are available from Calumet photo today (see
http://www.calumetphoto.com/ ) for not a lot more money.
>I got my Linhof Technica III from one of the largest camera stores, but it
>was in a paper bag labelled "most of a Linhof $20", and I had to make some
>parts.
If someone wants to make a camera, the Bender view camera kits are an
excellent project. See http://www.benderphoto.com/ . I wouldn't
trade my Crown Graphic or my Calumet for one, but I could see how
someone would prefer one they built themselves. The Bender camera
kits are *real* pretty when you're done, much nicer looking than my
gunmetal grey Calumet or heavily used Crown Graphic. But I'm sure
my Crown Graphic and Calumet have stood up to abuse that would've turned
the Bender into splinters.
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Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
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I received this in my bloated in box and thought that I should share this with
the rest of you.
Charles.
Carol Catchings wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: T'was The Night Before Y2K
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:37:39 -0700
> From: Ada Jane Cowper <ajcowper(a)juno.com>
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>
> T'WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE Y2K
>
> Twas the night before Y2K,
> And all through the nation
> We'd soon see the bug that
> Caused such a sensation.
>
> The chips were replaced
> In computers with care,
> In hopes that ol' Bugsy
> Wouldn't stop there.
>
> While some folks could think
> They were snug in their beds
> Others had visions
> Of dread in their heads.
>
> And Ma with her PC,
> And I with my Mac
> Had just logged on the Net
> And kicked back with a snack.
>
> When over the server,
> There arose such a clatter
> I called Mister Gates
> To see what was the matter.
>
> But he was away,
> So I flew like a flash
> Off to my bank
> To withdraw all my cash.
>
> Then word of the shortage,
> Caused such a demand
> That the money was gone,
> And the streets were all jammed.
>
> When what with my wandering eyes
> Should I see on my screen
> But Millennium Bugsy,
> This must be a dream!.
>
> The hack of all hackers,
> Was looking so smug,
> I knew that it must be
> The Y2K bug!
>
> His image downloaded,
> In no time at all,
> He whistled and shouted,
> In a loud download drawl.
>
> "Go Intel! Go Gateway!
> Now HP! Big Blue!
> Everything Compac,
> And Pentium too!
>
> All processors big,
> All processors small,
> Crash away! Crash away!
> Crash away all!
>
> Ada Jane Cowper
> ajcowper(a)juno.com
> 520-477-2474
>> > If not, one of the mayor advantages from using
>> > 35mm cameras is cone.
>> Of course, if you're using a camera better than a 35mm
>> (say, a Medium Format or Large Format camera) you just put
>> a polaroid back on your camera and you're there.
>> At least here in the US, if you check out the swap meets and
>> flea markets it's easy to find an older 4x5 Crown Graphic with
>> good quality lens and 4x5 polaroid back for a few hundred $.
>> I got mine with a 127mm Ektar, a truly excellent lens from the
>> late 40's.
>I've never seen that, but it's interesting -
>so how is the picture quality ?
Top-notch. I regularly make 16" x 20" enlargements from the 4x5 negatives.
>And most important, where to look ?
>For this kind of stuff I'm a complete newbie.
There's a web site just for folks like you: http://www.graflex.org/
It includes the Speed/Crown Graphic FAQ, and pointers to where you
can buy these cameras and parts.
Again, I don't know about Europe, but here in North America *every*
decent professional camera store will have large format stuff, including
at least some selection of Crown and Speed Graphics.
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
Ok... you can blame John Lawson for reminding me about this. I just got
back from my annual scrounge trip to the Bay Area. Said trip netted me a
good-sized pile. While not all of it is "classic," I figure it's worth
posting.
* Upgrade components for my own system to K6-2/400, etc.
* A Digilog 300 datascope. Haven't fired that one up yet.
* My very first DEC Alpha system -- specifically, a 3000/600.
* Two Wellfleet routers.
* A Livingston 'Portmaster' IRX/Firewall router.
* A stack of DEC'ish boards, including a pair of Dilog DQ132's, a DQ686,
and a pair of Sigma RQD11E QBus ESDI controllers.
* A collection of pre-divestiture Bell System technical manuals (Station
Services, Key System Services, and Data Services). These are the white
paperbacks with the yellow/blue skunk stripes and the pre-breakup Bell logo.
* A Sorensen 0-40V/25A power supply (Heavy!)
* A nice tabletop VME chassis that still had a Force Computers 68040 CPU
board installed.
* A big Cabletron network hub chassis with 60(!) 10Base-T ports in the
form of five 12-port cards. I got it 'cause the backplane is rated for
FDDI, and I figure that means I can also use 100Base-T on it if I can find
the appropriate card.
* A pair of Sun SPARCStation IPC's.
* Keyboard/Video/Mouse extender for PCs.
* Adobe Acrobat 4.0 for around $80.
That's all I can think of at the moment. Some of it is for future
projects, and some for current ones. All I can say is I'm glad to be back.
That was a long trip!
'Til later...
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
I got an e-mail recently from someone offering me an Esco 31 survey
calculator. I'd never heard of one but I decided to take a chance and
bought it sight unseen. It came today. The seller forgot to mention that
it said Tektronix on the back! Yeap, it's a rebadged Tektronix 31! Does
anyone have some instructions for one? Does anyone know where to find
tapes for these?
Joe
I'm sorry, I didn't this was a USA 'only' listserv. Excuse
me while I take my dirty foreign hands to remove myself from the list!
Great computers did and do exist outside of the USA.
Blue
PowerHouse consultant
Rhode Island, USA
Disclaimer:
The opinions and ideas expressed in this message are my own
and have no relationship to my current employer, Initial Technical Staffing,
its client CCI, or any of CCI's clients.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kai Kaltenbach
[mailto:kaikal@MICROSOFT.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:12 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic
computers
Subject: Top 150 Collectible
Microcomputers
Here's the first draft at a list of the Top
150 Collectible Microcomputers
(from the U.S.A.). I would have gone for
Top 100 but there are just too
many great machines, and 200 is too many.
It's currently at 133 items. Some related
models are combined as one, even
though they are rather different... other
similar models are kept separate.
This is basically just because I personally
feel they rate their own
separate listing, feel free to disagree.
Please add items! Items on the list should
meet the following categories:
1) Collectible Microcomputer (yes, I know
the H-11 is on here as an
"honorary" micro)
3) Sold in the USA
4) Available from a manufacturer (not just
plans in a magazine)
The list:
Altos 586
Altos ACS 8000
APF MP1000
Apple I
Apple II
Apple II+
Apple II+ Bell & Howell "Black Apple"
Apple IIc / IIc Plus
Apple IIe / IIe Platinum
Apple IIgs / IIgs Woz Limited Edition
Apple III
Apple III+
Apple Lisa / Macintosh XL
Apple Macintosh 128
Apple Macintosh 512K Through SE
Apple Macintosh Portable
AT&T Unix PC / 3B2 / 7300
Atari 400
Atari 800
Atari XL Series
Atari 520ST / 1040ST
Atari Portfolio
Byte Computers Byt-8
California Computer Systems (CCS) S-100
Coleco ADAM
Commodore/MOS Technologies KIM-1
Commodore PET 2001-8
Commodore PET 4032 / 8032
Commodore SuperPET SP9000
Commodore VIC-20
Commodore 64 / 65
Commodore 128 / 128D
Commodore C16 / Plus 4
Commodore SX64
Commodore Amiga 1000
Commodore Amiga 500
Compaq Portable PC / Plus / II / III
CompuColor II
CompuPro S-100 / 8-16
Convergent Technologies WorkSlate
Corvus Concept
Cromemco C-10
Cromemco System One
Cromemco System Three
Cromemco Z Series
Data General One
DEC Rainbow 100
Digital Group Systems
Dynalogic Hyperion
Epson HX-20
Epson PX-8 Geneva
Epson QX-10 & QX-16
Exidy Sorcerer
Gimix
Franklin ACE 1000 / 1200
Hewlett-Packard HP85
Hewlett-Packard HP150
Heathkit H-8
Heathkit H-11
Heath-Zenith H88/H89
IBM 5100 Personal Computer
IBM 5140 PC Convertible
IBM 5150 Personal Computer
IBM 5160 PC-XT
IBM 5170 AT
IBM 5155 Portable PC
IBM PCjr
IBM PS/2 Model 80
IMSAI 8080
IMSAI PCS-80
IMSAI VDP-80
Ithaca Audio InterSystems DPS-1
Intertec SuperBrain
Kaypro II
Kaypro 4 / 10
Lobo PMC-80
Mattel Aquarius
Mindset PC
MITS Altair 680
MITS Altair 8800
MITS Altair 8800a
MITS Altair 8800b
MITS Altair 8800b Turnkey
Morrow Decision 1
Morrow Micro Decision
Morrow Pivot
NEC PC-6001A
NEC PC-8001A
NEC PC-8201A / PC-5000
North Star Advantage
North Star Horizon
Ohio Scientific Challenger C1P
Ohio Scientific Challenger C4P
Ohio Scientific Challenger C3D
Osborne 1
Osborne Executive
Osborne Vixen
Otrona Attache
Polymorphic Systems POLY-88
Processor Technology SOL
Quasar/Panasonic HK2600TE Hand Held Computer
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 1
Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computers 1-3
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 2
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 3/4
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4P
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 12 / 16 / 6000
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 / 102 / 200
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer
MC-10
Radio Shack TRS-80 Pocket Computers
RCA COSMAC 1802 / ELF / Super ELF
Rockwell AIM-65
Sanyo MBC-1000
Seattle Computer Products 8086
Sharp Pocket Computers PC-1500 / PC-1500A
Sinclair ZX80
Sinclair ZX81 / Timex-Sinclair ZX1000
Smoke Signal Broadcasting Chieftain
Spectravideo SV-318 / SV-328
Sphere
SWTPC (SouthWest Technical Products) 6800
SWTPC (SouthWest Technical Products) 6809
Synertek SYM-1
Texas Instruments TI 99/4A
Timex-Sinclair 1500
Timex-Sinclair 2068
Tomy Tutor
Vector Graphic Vector-1
Vector Graphic Vector-4
VideoBrain
Vtech Laser 128
Xerox 820
Zenith Z-110 / Z-120
Hi Tony,
>I can tell you a little about some of the Philips P800 machines....
>....Feel free to ask specific questions on the P850 or P851. I have the
>manuals, and I think I know where I put them :-)
Thanks very much for the reply, that's increased my knowledge of these machines
by at least 100%!!!!
I'd forgotten that they existed at all until I spotted a message from you
mentioning them. ISTR seeing one sometime around 1978 when I visited a computer
installation as part of my computers course at school, but that's pretty much
all the contact I've ever had with them.
My main questions at the moment are, where should I start looking to acquire
one and (if I had a choice) which machine would you recommend to try and get
hold of?
TTFN - Pete.
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Hi William,
>microNovas are hind to find these days, unlike microVAXen or the
>"micro"PDP-11s....
I feared this might be the case, I've never actually come across a DG machine
of any kind here in the UK during the 12 years or so that I've been collecting.
>If size is an issue, get yourself a real Nova, like a 4, or maybe an
>Eclipse....
Roughly how big are they?
BTW Do you know of any sites on the web where I could get some information on
DG machines?
TTFN - Pete.
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Collector of Arcade Machines, Games Consoles & Obsolete Computers (esp DEC)
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