Also I have Docs on the CS11 if you need to know something
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 9:31 PM
Subject: Emulex Thanx
>
> Gracias too Tim and Bruce for the answer to my board question.
>
> I have the 16-channel RS232 port assembly that goes on the other
>end of this... I just didn't know what it hooked up to.. till now.
>
> What started this was taking an inventory of the 1/44 to see about
>fitting an RL11 into it, thus to begin using RL02s.
>
> Of course this rash activity is bound to generate a small flurry
>of further perplexities... at least I've got full docs on everything.
>
> Cheerz
>
>John
>
>
First of all, let me say that I'm in complete agreement with your notion
that the doc's don't have to be put out in only one format. It's just that
I've been so extremely satisfied (ask anyone who knows me and they'll tell
you that's not easy!) with the PDF for document publication that any other
way simply hadn't arrived here yet.
With the Acrord32 program under Win95, you can print the pages you want and
skip the rest, you can search for specific words and phrases, and you can
print double-sided whether you have a duplex printer or not. You can
generate extremely good-looking documents with almost no effort. You just
can't edit them or such, and that's fine with me. I've seen some truly
terrible PDF documents, obviously scanned from bad source documents or with
a really dirty scanner, and not cleaned up as I'd probably be inclined to do
if any of these documents turned out to be "bad" or difficult to read. The
ones I've seen which were bad were posted PDF's of CP/M documents which I
probably ought to be glad I could get in any form.
What I would like to avoid, here, is getting in a position where we evaluate
the product on the basis of the tools used to generate it. I use WIndows95
because it's a convenient tool for doing what I do with it. I use DOS where
it's convenient and when I see a version of, say, LINUX that's got current
documentation I'll look at it again too, since there are supposed to be some
things that it does very handily as well. I agree about the documentation
angle, but I don't agree that being free makes a product better. It just
improves the price-performance comparison factors and helps with motivation
to try it. I do believe that publishing the scanned documents as completely
as possible is desirable, so that when you run into that "see figure 8a on
page ..." you'll have that as well. If you only need to print sheet 14 of
39, that's what you should be able to print, not the entire document when
all you wanted was the PLL's lowpass filter. PDF allows all that. If we
can get a consensus on other formats, I'm willing. For now, we still need a
"home" for such documents as these. The provider of this site space may
have something to say about format or about how many formats he sees fit to
house.
If this set of doc's can be scanned and put together into a useable form of
PDF document, then I see that as one relatively straightforward solution.
If there were a good PCL or PostScript viewer, widely distributed enough
that a substantial number of potential users would have it at their
disposal, that would also be useful distribution format. If it could be
hammered into a Word97 document, that might be a candidate. What's
important is that a large number of potential users have access to the
format that's chosen.
Comments and suggestions are welcome!
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Disk Drive Documents
>> If, ultimately, the decision is made to serve these documents up in
linked
>> form rather than monolithic form, I'd submit that it is still desirable
to
>> be able to download the entire document as a single object. Some
provision
>> for that must be made, and I don't think it's simple.
>>
>> Comments?
>
>Well, of course, nobody is saying that you have to distribute these
>documents in only one format. And in many ways, the original scans (as
>.gif or whatever) are closer to the original documents that something
>that's been modified (OCRed, cleaned up, etc, so IMHO they should be
>available somewhere.
>
>I still think that a .pdf is not the best way to group a number of
>scanned pages together. There are plenty of simpler, better documented,
>solutions for this. Two obvious ones are .zip and .tar.gz . I've used
>many ftp sites that will create one or other of those 'on the fly' - if
>you want to download an entire directory, you can get
><directory_name>.zip (or .tar.gz) and it transfers one file to your
>machine for you to unpack later.
>
>But the ability to get only some pages from a manual I would think would
>be very useful. Most times service manuals contain information that is
>not that useful for a particular repair (things like the original parts
>lists when parts haven't been stocked under those part numbers for at
>least 10 years, things like the exploded diagrams when you have an
>electronic fault, or the schematics when you have a mechanical fault,
>etc). I don't like wasting network bandwidth if I can avoid it.
>
>
>
>>
>> Dick
>
>-tony
>
I have an Emulex CS1110201-U2D card in my 11/44 system, that
despite my best efforts at due diligence, I cannot find a reference
or any other data regearding it.
The other numbers on the label associated with the part number are
3997H and 4372A, and along the top it has a number of PROMS marked
300J thru 311J. It is hex-height and has a single Berg header with
a ribbon cable and 34-pin connector. The connector is marked with
the number CU1111201-02 B.
If anyone recognizes this I would like to know 'whuzzit'?
Cheers
John
COWABUNGA!!
My beautiful new GRiD Compass is now online!
The keyboard seems to need a little bit of cleaning or working-in,
sometimes keypresses don't register.
This thing automatically loads up a VT100 emulator when I turn it on.
Does anyone know anything about GRiD-OS? I think it was version
3.something. I'll verify that later.
I'm just SOOO happy that the Compass works! I'v been wanting to at least
_see_ one in operation since I first read the review in... I'm not
sure... January 1984 Creative Computing? (No, I think that was the
Gavilan.)
I'm going to have to poke around some more. I just wanted to dial in with
the thing and make this announcement. :) (It's hard to find a provider
that will accept a 1200bps conection these days, huh?)
So... GPIB is the same as IEEE-488? Anyone got an adapter cable for
GRiD-to-CBM? :)
YES!! Plasma display AND bubble memory in ONE machine!
--
Doug Spence
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http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/
> I have an Emulex CS1110201-U2D card in my 11/44 system, that
>despite my best efforts at due diligence, I cannot find a reference
>or any other data regearding it.
> If anyone recognizes this I would like to know 'whuzzit'?
This is (surprise) an Emulex CS11. It emulates a DH11 async multiplexer,
with some bells and whistles like modem control if you use the right cab
kit. The magic for this series of Emulex cards is in the cab kit,
as there's a fair amount of logic that lives there. Do you have the
cab kit?
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On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, James Szajda wrote:
> If you are still the person to contact, I am looking for a boot disk for
> a Victor 9000 system. Any help you can give me will be appreciated.
For many machines I am, James. Unfortunately, the Victor 9000 is not one
of them. The problem is that the 9000, or Sirius, uses a very unusual
format on its disks. They are both Group Code Recording formatted and
also done on a variable speed drive. Essentially, the only person who can
provide you with a boot disk is someone who owns one that is in working
condition.
I will post this to the Classic Computer mailing list and see if it
generates any response to you. In the meantime, it might serve you well
to post a query on comp.os.cpm and see if that gets a response.
Wish I could do more.
- don
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Is this the sound card that attached to the parallel port?
>I just picked up a Disney Sound Source (?1983) from a flea market. From
>what I know, it's a external sound card that'll play Wav files. Does
anyone
>have drivers for it??
I've observed that many text documents are formatted in HTML rather than
PDF, and have links to seaparate files for the graphic segments. The
manuals do have considerable text in them, which might benefit from OCR and
re-creation and re-editing of the manuals with only the scanned graphics as
original files. Even some of the schematic segments might be better
re-created due to the fine line pitch, which tends to become really ugly in
scanned documents.
I use Typemaster Pro, which is quite old, but very effective at isolating
graphics from text and perhaps well suited for segregating the text sections
>from the illustrations. It's been around since about 10 years ago when
nothing else would touch it. My scanner is a 300 DPI monochrome (but legal
size) scanner with a sheetfeeder (which I wish would work properly). In
conjuction with this old scanner, the software has done multipage scans to
text of large documents in almost as little time as it takes to read them.
It manages to learn the fonts and handles two typefaces with serifs at the
same time as two without. If your document has more than that, you're on
your own, of course, but it does a nice job, particularly with handling text
which is flowed around some graphics, which it recognizes and leaves
undisturbed.
If, ultimately, the decision is made to serve these documents up in linked
form rather than monolithic form, I'd submit that it is still desirable to
be able to download the entire document as a single object. Some provision
for that must be made, and I don't think it's simple.
Comments?
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Disk Drive Documents
>[Wonderful list of docs snipped]
>
>> If this stuff is worth preserving, perhaps there's a way to save scanned
>> images for eventual conversion to PDF. Does anyone know about this?
>
>In my opinion, PDF files are not really appropriate for scanned documents
>(they _may_ be more use for documents that are initially created and
>distributed in this format). For one (selfish) thing, I've yet to find a
>useable way to print these out on any of my machines.
>
>The best way I've seen so far for this is simply to put a directory of
>suitable graphics files on an ftp site (.gif seems to compress quite well
>- 17"*11" circuit diagrams scanned at 300dpi are around 300K) and provide
>a text file describing each page (not just as 'page 7 of the ST506 service
>manual' but something like 'page 7 -- Page 1 of 3 of the schematic').
>
>That way, people can download just what they want (if you need a
>schematic, you don't waste time downloading parts lists as well). And the
>result is portable to a lot more systems.
>
>If there are substantial text areas in the manual it may be worth trying
>to OCR it to a plain ASCII file.
>
>-tony
>
--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Interesting. This is the first time I've heard of a 16 sector RK05f pack
> (not too suprised that one existed...)
>
> I am told that you couldn't reliably move RK05f packs between drives.
> Heck, you were supposed to reformat the pack (according to one of the
> manuals) if you took it out and put it back in again.
Bummer. I've always wondered what's on this thing. I may never know. :-(
-ethan
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>Tim Shoppa just noted that V5.7 of RT-11 allows an RX50 floppy drive
>to FORMAT under RT-11, but I am not aware if that is for EVERY
>RX50 floppy drive, OR ONLY the special ones that have been noted
>as being able to do a FORMAT on a Rainbow. Either you (Allison)
>or Megan Gentry or someone else mentioned that recently. And I
>don't know if all RQDX1,2,3 are included.
I've not yet tried formatting an RX50 with V5.7, but I suspect that
it requires 1) an RX33 drive and 2) an RQDX3 (though maybe even the
RQZX1 will work - I'll have to defer to Tim on this).
When I was working on V5.6, the best we could do was format RX33s on
an RX33 drive... if you attemped to format an RX50 on an RX33 drive,
you got an RX33-formatted RX50 which was neither 1) usable or
2) reformattable to RX50.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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