test-drb June 1999

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by roblwill＠usaor.net

On JVC drives, the problem wasn't the heads sticking to the media, but the spindle bearings themselves sticking. My Zenith SupersPORT has the same problem (JVC drive) if it's not turned on for more than a week. ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: allisonp(a)world.std.com <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Montag, 7. Juni 1999 06:09 Subject: Re: GRiDCASE update, now laptop hard drives > >> > > What is this supposed to accomplish? >> > >> > The HD for mysterious reasons works again. The person I got the laptop >> > from told me about it. > >The likely problem is stiction, heads stick to drive media and it will not >spin causing a boot error. Dropping it is a destructive practice at best. >next time try rotating it very sharply while sitting on the desk to help >spin the media. > >Allison > > >

25 years

kemit for rt11

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 7, 15:44, emanuel stiebler wrote: > Subject: kemit for rt11 > Hi all, > where can I find the newest version ? > P.S. RSX would be nice too ;-)) You'll find both at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html or better still by anonymous FTP to kermit.columbia.edu, in the directory 'kermit/b'. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

25 years

OS/2 Off Topic

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

In with several boxes of old computer bits I frecently was given I found a cd-rom titled OS/2 for Windows, complimentary copy. Using a 486-66 with a cd-rom drive recognized by both Dos and Windows 95, I followed the instructions and created two floppies, "Install and OS/2 disk 1." Using these disks and following instructions I get to a point where it says "insert CD-Rom disk", however by this time OS/2 has taken over to the extent that the CD-Rom drive is no longer recognized, and everything grinds to a halt. Does anyone have any suggestions? (Polite) Maybe this is why OS/2 didn't really take off. Regards Charlie Fox PS-- Some of the other junk was over ten years old, particularly the hard drives. Charles E. Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo

25 years

kemit for rt11

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>where can I find the newest version ? Where you can find all the versions: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/ Specifically, you want to look in the /kermit/b/ directory and get all the files beginning with krt. >P.S. RSX would be nice too ;-)) Same place, but get the files starting with k11. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years

kemit for rt11

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, where can I find the newest version ? thanks, emanuel P.S. RSX would be nice too ;-))

25 years

Yet another GRiDposting

by arfonrg＠texas.net

Doug, I just revived my GRiD 1530 (and it was a pain)... Tandy still sells parts for these (not many and pricey too!) I bought a new mother board (only to later find out that my old one just lacked memory) and a technical reference manual (what a waste of money). What are you trying to find out? Arfon At 07:59 PM 5/18/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >You guys and gals are probably getting tired of my little GRiD updates, >but here goes anyway... > >I am typing this message on the GRiDCase. So the modem works. 2400bps. > >I found Rob's GRiDBoard website, and from there found out that AST keeps >the configuration files for a lot of old GRiDs on its website. > >I downloaded conf1520.exe from there. > >Now I have my doubts about this machine even being a GRiDCase 1520. Most >of the configuration options don't work or are meaningless to this >particular machine. Like the thing to set the backlighting on the display >- my machine has a gas plasma display. And it seems to be telling me that >my machine doesn't have a modem... so what the heck am I using right now? > >It did let me configure my expansion RAM from EMS to XMS... or was that >the other way around? And it let me change my processor speed. But it >wouldn't let me do anything with the hard disk and a whole bunch of other >weird things. > >It's a '286 machine, magnesium alloy case, 1.44MB floppy, had a 20MB HD in >it, has a 2400bps internal modem, standard PC ports, gas plasma display, >two ROM sockets under a trapdoor above the keyboard... could this thing >be anything other than a 1520? > >Note that is says "GRiDCASE 1500 Series" above the display. > >Now I suppose it's time to see if I can have the machine work *without* a >hard drive installed. I just got a _very_ scary message about JVC drives >seizing and taking HD controllers with them. (Thanks for the warning, >Jason!) > >Of course, as the drive that was in the machine when I got it was seized >up, the damage may already be done. And maybe that's why I'm still unable >to access the HD. :( > >-- >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca >http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/ > > > ---------------------------------------- Tired of Micro$oft??? Move up to a REAL OS... ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### # ###### ("LINUX" for those of you without fixed-width fonts) ---------------------------------------- Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com Slackware Mailing List: http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html

25 years

**RARE** "Altair-like" HP1000 minicomputer K00L K00L Vintage! <grin>

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

*I* don't think it is at all. Apparently the SELLER thinks it's like an altair. I was complaining (read: making fun of) the seller's silly choice of words. Probably because it has switches and lights. Geez... I didn't know all machines with switches and lights had the same architecture <grin>. Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:00 PM Subject: Re: **RARE** "Altair-like" HP1000 minicomputer K00L K00L Vintage! <grin> >> >> Now that's the SECOND time I've seen someone list an HP1000 on Ebay calling >> it an "Altair-like HP1000". > >Can you please enlighten me as to how an HP1000 is like an Altair? > >-tony > >

25 years

DECmicroserver

by yoda＠isr.ist.utl.pt

Hi. In my last visit to a very nice junkyard (near Lisbon, Portugal) I came across a box, a bit larger than a DECserver 300, named DECmicroserver, having about 4 very large D connectors (3 rows of pins) named "line 1" in the back. Anyone knows what it is? (I'm really tempted to buy it). Regards, -- *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda(a)isr.ist.utl.pt> *** Teaching Assistant and MSc. Student at ISR: *** Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa *** Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, Portugal *** PGP Public Key available on my homepage: *** http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda *** Key fingerprint = 0C 0A 25 58 46 CF 14 99 CF 9C AF 9E 10 02 BB 2A

25 years

Disk Drive Documents

by edick＠idcomm.com

Let's try to keep this in perspective, Sam. When there's a text file format which will display the exploded view drawings in these service documents on your (Apple ][, Commodore 64, Atari x00, TI 99/4a, TRS-80 Model x, Heathkit Hx, OSI Challenger x, IMSAI 8080, Altair >8800, etc) then you may have a valid point. For that matter, aside from the last three on the list, there's not one likely to need this documentation, nor is it likely that anyone unable to afford disk space enough to hold a complete PDF file of one of these relatively short documents when a 10GB disk drive costs less than $200, will be able to afford one of the "antique" devices to which they apply. Aside from all that, I'd speculate that there are more Windows users who die every day than there are users of computer systems desiring but inherently unable to view PDF files in the world. Having said that, however, I submit that the majority should not dictate to the extent that the needs of the minority are ignored. If you can come up with a format common to both illustrations and text for the implementation of which a single and easy-to-use tool set is in the hands of someone(s) willing to process this set of documents within a reasonable time frame into an appropriately formatted archive suitable to the yet-to-be-determined provider of web-site space, it will receive appropriate consideration. Take solace in the fact that I will not likely be among those making these choices. Since I have the documents, my preference, at least with respect to them is not particularly relevant. Take a look at the "unofficial CP/M web site," whatever the URL is, and you'll see the document files offered in several formats, though I'd speculate that none of the systems you listed in your comments, "(Apple ][, Commodore 64, Atari x00, TI 99/4a, TRS-80 Model x, Heathkit Hx, OSI Challenger x, IMSAI 8080, Altair 8800, etc)" can view any of those files. Perhaps you can offer a positive construct rather than simply wringing your hands and being a naysayer. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Disk Drive Documents >On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> >Well, I definitely agree with Tony on this. >> >> On which point, Sam? > >On the point that the archive should be made accessible to as many people >as possible, and that means using formats and data that just about anyone >can read. > >> Well, I don't, and for the reason that lowest common denominator means the >> lowest efficiency for the most people. I want to make it easy and >> accessible to as many people as possible. Based on statistics, that means >> that the only OS that really matters is . . . now say it along with me . . > >Bullshit. There are more tools for viewing ASCII data than any other >format under every OS. This includes tools that allow you to search and >edit them. Just because most of the planet is stuck with a Microsoft OS >doesn't mean that all those people can also use a PDF viewer. I'm on a >Pentium 133 system and viewing PDF files is a pain in the ass. > >It is also the most efficient format in terms of taking up the least >amount of storage space. I can download a textfile in a few seconds. I >can even view it with my web browser, and search it. I can cut parts out >and paste them elsewhere. > >Making a >"public" archive in the sense that everyone should be able to view it >means catering to the lowest common denominator. > > >> I don't anticipate getting complete agreement from everyone. What has to be >> considered is (1) What do the owners of the data have to say? (2) What are >> the people willing to do the work willing to do? (3) Where are these >> documents to be stored and presented to the public and how much space will >> they allow for this purpose? (4) What will satisfy the needs and preferences >> of MOST of the people having access to the documents? The weight assigned >> to the answers will probably be in about this order as well. > >What good is putting in all the effort when not many people will be able >to benefit from that effort? Contrary to what you think, the PDF format >is not that widespread. Sure there are viewers, and the format is >documented, but how many people have that plug-in or the stand-alone on >their computer? Now ask yourself, how many people have a text editor on >their computer? > >> As far as I'm concerned, what's most important is that the documents be >> stored as complete, separate, and single files. They should not be broken >> up into pages or chapters or text in one part and graphics in another in the >> stupid, Stupid, STUPID way much of the LINUX documentation is published. > >Not everyone with a Linux box has a SVGA monitor with gigabytes of hard >drive space and oodles of RAM. The developers of the Linux documentation >were smart enough to realize that. It allows you to get only what you >need, and not end up with a bunch of dead data taking up precious space on >your hard drive. > >> Further, while GIF format is probably OK for your vacation pictures or the >> latest centerfold, I don't find it particularly advantageous for presenting >> line-art drawings because common viewers don't have a standard presentation >> format for them. They come in a size matched to some raster image and if >> your display matches it, great, else too bad. Again I prefer the PDF, not >> only because it is what most people can get and use for free, but because it >> is a single format useable in common for both text and graphics. > >I can't view a PDF file with my (Apple ][, Commodore 64, Atari x00, TI >99/4a, TRS-80 Model x, Heathkit Hx, OSI Challenger x, IMSAI 8080, Altair >8800, etc). > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. > > Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 05/25/99] >

25 years

DECmicroserver

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Hi. In my last visit to a very nice junkyard (near Lisbon, >Portugal) I came across a box, a bit larger than a DECserver 300, >named DECmicroserver, having about 4 very large D connectors (3 rows >of pins) named "line 1" in the back. Anyone knows what it is? (I'm >really tempted to buy it). Those D connectors carry synchronous data to and from IBM SNA boxes. I've seen these set up in medium-sized businesses that had both IBM networked mainframes/minis and DEC minis that need to talk to each other. There's a beefier version called the "DEC Channelserver" which, I've always inferred from the name, hooks to the IBM Channel architecture. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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