test-drb April 1999

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New arrivals to the Vintage Computer Festival Archives!

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 09:31 PM 4/2/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey, check out the new arrivals to the VCF Archives: > >* IBM 557 Alphabetic Interpreter >* Small-scale Honeywell DPS-6 mainframe > Man, that '557 looks to be in real nice shape! (externally at least) Most cool! -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

25 years, 8 months

classic back ends?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>In lieu of that, if I compile programs using RT11 under Supnik's emulator >can I run them on a "real" 11 legally? I can't see that running software you developed yourself would be illegal to run on real hardware regardless of where it was built. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

25 years, 8 months

first DEC machine

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi R, ---------- > From: R. Stricklin (kjaeros) <red(a)bears.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: first DEC machine > Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 9:25 PM > > I found it; I take it this selects the default console device. Switching > it doesn't make any difference---the result of either is the same: if you really don't have anything on the monitor, pull the switch "up" to use a terminal as a console. That's the one with the printer icon, 9600 baud 8n1. > The ultimate stop of the LED disagnostics is with positions 1 and 7 lit. If you using the enumeration from DEC (76543210) Your machine should be fine. It looks like all diagnostics is done besides of one of the options failed. > I was unable to locate a usable cable today for hooking up a serial > terminal; I'll have one of our VARs try to get one to me next week. > Anything I can try in the meanwhile? open it, and check if something look strange ;-)) And i forgot, what type of monitor you have, but it should have at least 1280x1024 at some graphics options. Sometimes you can change that to 1024x860 via a switch on the graphics option. cheers, emanuel

25 years, 8 months

classic back ends?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Ok, so the subject is a bit provocative, actually the question isn't that bad. >Are there backends for the GCC compiler tools for the 'classic' computers >out there? I'm particularly interested in a PDP-11 back end at the moment >as it seems that I could easily port uC/OS II to the 11/23 and have >something useful without forking over the RT11 dough. The PDP-11 backend for GCC is a decade out-of-date with the rest of the changes in the compiler. Updating it ought to be straightforward, but nobody's stepped up to do it. Alternatively, you can use the PDP-11 backend with the matching version of the GCC front end, but I don't see any decade-old versions of the front end at the traditional GNU distribution sites. You also have to keep in mind that GCC doesn't come with a PDP-11 C run-time library. Not a problem if you're writing an OS from scratch and will be writing all the libraries too. Too bad you're giving up on RT-11 so quickly - there's several hundred megabytes of freely-distributable code available for it in the DECUS collections. >In lieu of that, if I compile programs using RT11 under Supnik's emulator >can I run them on a "real" 11 legally? I don't see why not - especially if you're using (for example) the free PDP-11 DECUS C compiler - as long as you anything you use the code for would come under "hobbyist". The DECUS C compiler is quite capable, and many major packages have been written in it. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 8 months

FW: Old VAX, VMS documentation going via Ebay (or landfill)...

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

There's been way too much good stuff dumped in landfills already. Get in contact with this fellow directly if you want to help stop yet another load from such an ignoble fate... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On 2 Apr 99 14:42:00 CST, in comp.os.vms you wrote: >>From: SMS(a)Provis.com >>Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >>Subject: Old VAX, VMS documentation going via Ebay (or landfill)... >>Message-ID: <199904022043.OAA00504(a)stroke.provis.com> >>Date: 2 Apr 99 14:42:00 CST >>Organization: Info-Vax<==>Comp.Os.Vms Gateway >>X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List >>Lines: 11 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!newsbox.grin.net!pants.skycache.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!info-vax >>Xref: news1.jps.net comp.os.vms:1018 >> >> Just a quick notice that we're cleaning out old VAX and VMS (paper) >>documentation via Ebay. Some of these things are classics. Search for >>seller "ss1" for details. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Steven M. Schweda (+1) 612-785-2000 ext. 16 (voice) >> Provis Corporation (+1) 612-785-2100 (facsimile) >> 5251 Program Avenue #100 sms(a)provis.com (e-mail) >> Mounds View, MN 55112-4975 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

25 years, 8 months

New arrivals to the Vintage Computer Festival Archives!

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Hey, check out the new arrivals to the VCF Archives: * IBM 557 Alphabetic Interpreter * Small-scale Honeywell DPS-6 mainframe To see images, jump over to: http://www.siconic.com/newstuff/ Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

25 years, 8 months

first DEC machine

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Switched the machine on, and waited. And waited. Nothing. No lights on the <keyboard, nothing on the display. The LED status whatsis at the rear <wibbled around a bit but I didn't pay close attention to what it was <doing. The disks never spun up. There is a nearly hidden switch between the leds and the MMJ connector, try both positions. Also DEC spins the drives up after the boot starts not at powerup. The monitor if there is no disks(at all) should display a countdown as it does self test. The monitor can be interacted with for diagnostic uses. Allison

25 years, 8 months

OT: Classic bicycles?

by max82＠surfree.com

Does anybody here know of an old bicycle mailing list/message board? Does anyone here use or have old bicycles? The reason why I ask is that I found an old English bike, several decades old, and would like to know when it was produced, etc. It's certainly a lovely bike, black with gold trim, in perfect condition after I washed off the dust. My two functional questions: 1) Can I use WD-40 on non-moving parts to keep them from rusting? 2) The thing has one of those 3-speed in-hub gear shifters but the cable and handle are missing. Therefore, the little chain is retracted into the hub. Is it in 1st speed or 3rd speed? Does anyone have any extra 3-speed switch handles :) --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

25 years, 8 months

Sickening Documentation

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Merle K. Peirce <at258(a)osfn.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, 3 April 1999 11:18 Subject: Re: Sickening Documentation >Hmmm...non compos mentis, isn't it? You may be right, it's been a while. Mentis sounds better now that I think about it.. Cheers Geoff

25 years, 8 months

off-the-wall question (possibly OT)

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I thought the Robot sounded more like "Danger Will Robinson" or something like that. >Has anybody here ever heard a relay machine running, like one >of the early Zuse machines or the Harvard Mark-1? It occurred >to me (please don't ridicule me too much for this*) that the >sound of the robot in the old "Lost in Space" TV series may >have been intended to sound like a relay machine. I've heard >descriptions of them sounding like a thousand women knitting, >which could sort-of describe that robot sound-effect as well... > > Cheers, > Bill. > >* I guess you should ridicule me just the right amount. :-) >

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