I have several Apple II e in various condition. A few missing keytops etc.
Also have the external floppy drives both styles. Need the room so I'd like
to sell them for $5.00 each plus any shipping. I will be taking them to TRW
on the 27th. Space E-11. I also have 2 McDonald Douglas terminals. Don't
know anything about them execpt the were working. Same price $5 each.
> So is the H960 the rack that is about 4 feet high?
No, the H960 is a bit over 6 feet high. You're probably
thinking about the H9640/H9642 style boxes, which are about
45" high. There were numerous variations in slightly different
widths and depths to handle special cases (i.e. the 3-RA80
configuration, the TU80/RA80 configuration, etc.)
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Megan -
Depending on how many trips you're willing to make, a station wagon can do
the trick quite nicely. I used my Taurus wagon
DECwreck a couple of years ago to move four of the 6' racks containing a
pair of PDP-11/45s without a lot of trouble (other than
weight.) The fit was perfect for one rack per trip and the rack had nowhere
to go.
-- Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: mbg(a)world.std.com [SMTP:mbg@world.std.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 10:36 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Planning for an equipment move...
Well, the day has come... next weekend is when I've arranged to go
and get the pdp-8s and the pdp-11/34 that I've been making room for
at home...
In preparation of the move, I just wanted to ask the list for some
advice on how to transport so as to have no (or minimum) risk of
damage.
The machines are currently in two tall (6') and one medium (about
4')
racks. There is a minimum of cabling between the racks, so
separating
them should not be a problem. I'm planning on marking any such
cables
so they can be restored.
Obviously, the RL disks will have heads locked down. The other
disks
are Diablo (RK05 equivalents), so how do I lock those down?
Since I don't have a class two license, I can't get a truck with a
lift gate, so I was planning on unloaded all the boxes from the
racks
(CPU, disks, anything else) and placing them on shipping pads, the
disks with foam pads underneath. I was planning on tipping the
racks
over onto dollies to be wheeled up the ramp into the truck where
they
would travel on their sides, on mats.
One thing I learned from boating -- If something can possibly end up
on
the deck en route, *put it there* before casting off...
Also, in order to make some room, I'm getting rid of a few things
and wanted to offer them to people on the list. What I have to get
rid of are two 11/05 chassis, with power supplies, unknown state (I
got them from someone else in that state), and one 11/10 chassis,
also in unknown state. They are pretty heavy, so I'm not up to
lugging them somewhere for shipment. Also, since they are unknown
state, it might be best for someone local to Framingham, Mass to
pick them up if interested.
Finally, if anyone is interested in helping in the move to
experience
the procedure of moving old iron (hows that for a "fence-painting
come-on"?), please contact me off-list...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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Back in November, Tony Dellett posted to this list a message offering
a bunch of items for sale. A copy is attached below.
Would anyone who purchased items from Tony please send me private email?
Thanks!
Eric
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From: "Dellett, Anthony" <Anthony.Dellett(a)Staples.com>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Spring Cleaning
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I know it's not spring but it is time for me to thin out my collection. I'm
offering these for sale here first before sending them off to ebay.
Email me with offers to anthony.dellett(a)staples.com. I dont get time to
check the list much so posing a reply there will get you nowhere.
Atari 800 (not working, parts?)
Atari 1050 Disk Drive (two of them)
Commodore 64 (complete in box, I have two like this)
Commodore 1541 Disk Drive (2 in box, one works, one doesn't)
Commodore 1541 II Disk Drive (complete in box)
Commodore 128 (complete in box)
Commodore 1571 Disk Drive (complete in box)
Compupro S-100 Enclosure (motherboard and PS only, no cards)
IMSAI 8080 W/8080 Processor Card, SIO4 (Godbout w/docs), RAM64 (Godbout
w/docs), PIO8 (IMSAI)
Kaypro I (incl. boot disk)
Kaypro II (incl. boot disk)
Kaypro IV (incl. boot disk)
NorthStar Horizon (not working)
NorthStar Advantage (works completely, with boot disk)
Osborne I (not working)
Osborne Executive (incl. boot disk)
Processor Technology SOL w/SOLOS personality module
Sanyo CP/M System (with software)
TI-99/4A Computer (beige model, in box)
TRS-80 Model III (with some software)
8" DS/DD Floppy Drive (in wooden enclosure) and Controller (Godbout w/docs)
8" SS/SD Floppy Drive (no enclosure)
8" SS/SD Dual Drive Subsystem (ICOM)
8" Hard Disk Drive in enclosure w/controller (Fujitsu Hard Drive, Godbout
Controller w/docs)
I also have some random Commodore stuff that I cant remember (modem,
paddles, trackball, etc...) I can take a closer look if anyone is
interested.
A word of warning... I'd like to sell these things to someone on the list
but I'll only accept "reasonable" offers.
Tony
>> Sounds like a fine plan. Note that many medium-sized station wagons
>> will hold a single H960, too.
>And a friend has an SUV that holds *two* H960s. :-)
A true full-size station wagon (like a 1976 Pontiac Grand Safari) will
barely hold two H960's between the wheel wells. But I doubt that any wagons
this size have been made for decades. I still occasionally see
newish Buick Roadmaster wagons, but I don't think these are big
enough to fit two racks in.
There are companies out there that customize Roadmaster wagons into
hearses; some of these might have enough space inside for two H960's- I've
never been in one, so I wouldn't know for sure!
For smallish moves like the one Megan is undertaking, I think a
trailer behind a car is a fine way to go. Really fragile stuff
like drives and disk packs can ride up front where it's climate
controlled, and most trailers have beds low enough that tipping
racks in is a complete non-issue. This is how I got my 11/70
home, and it was in a dual-wide high-boy (*not* tipped!)
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
<I've been growing up in the age of "IBM era" of computers. The only non-IB
<(compatible) computers that I've worked on was an apple //c and a TRS-80
It has it's upsides.
<What I'm wondering, is what exactly is a PDP, or a VAX, or an Altair, or an
<of the other things that come up frequently on the list. Also - how is on
<of the computers (such as the Altair) operated, with all the switches and
<indicators? Is there a keyboard or a monitor with it?
Jason,
Here is a brief snapshot of some of those mentioned.
Altair <~1975-->1979>:
A very raw machine with a toggle switch and led front pannel. Its based on
the 8080 cpu. Unlike PCs there was no rom, no bios (it was being invented
around the same time). Boards used a BUS called S100 for the 100 pin
connector and a typical board would be a serial port, 8k ram, or maybe a
16line by 64 character video card. No monitor and keyboard like PCs, if
you had the bucks a TTY of the mechanical kind (ASR33) and it also allowed
paper tape.
PDP-8 <~1965--> 1991>:
PDP8 was a 12bit archetecture and in the real early days was like the altair
with lights, switches and core memory that didn't forget with the power off.
By the late 80s the PDP-8 was commonly know as DECMATEII and III and used a
CMOS version of the PDP-8 CPU. One of the longest running of the old iron.
OSes were created on this machine and would live on others. Best known are
RTS-8, OS/8, EDUSYSTEM, MUMPS, COS. used a lot for science(labs),
data aquisition and control systems.
PDP-11 <~1970--> CURRENT>
A 16 bit CPU useing complex instruction types and is the longest running
line of the oldies. It started as all TTL small scale integration and the
last 15 years of them are chips (J11 is the longest running of the chips).
Considered one of the most potent of the 16bit cpus with many rivals.
Boxes ranged from the tiny to real monsters. peak perfomance was about
1-2MIPS. Still considered by many to be a great programmers machine.
It ran RT-11, DOS, MUMPS, RSTS, RSX, UNIX and many more OSs. Many of the
single board versions (over 50,000 at Bridgeport Machine tools alone) were
built into NC tools.
VAX <~1978--current>:
DEC forsaw that 16bits was not enough for high performance computing and
created the 32bit VAX-11/780. the VAX-11 was droped for vax but it's part
of its roots. It's a very CISC machine, 32bits and is know for 24x365
kinds of operations, they were workhorses and carried the superminicomputer
banner for many years. Later versions were of the smaller form with the
MicroVAX being the first chip level implmentation. They set a standard for
perfomance that is unique (VUP). the common OS is VMS, ULTRIX (DEC
BSDversion of unix). VAX was not a front pannel machine and many of the
larger ones had a PDP-11 (in the form of an 11/03 or Pro350/380) as the
"front end". Their sizes ran from room fillers to the small VS2000 or
later 3100 workstation pizza boxes. systems like the nearly 10year old
VS3100 are still considered good mailservers and small web servers and do
not crash when loaded to the max+1.
Hope that helps.
Allison
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:01:24 -0800 "Jason Willgruber"
<roblwill(a)usaor.net> writes:
>Hi!
>
>I've been growing up in the age of "IBM era" of computers. The only
>non-IBM (compatible) computers that I've worked on was an apple //c and
a
>TRS-80 model III that nearly caught my basement on fire.
Don't forget the Mac Portable you got this past winter (hint, hint).
Jeff
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A followup. I posted my VMS/vax question to comp.os.vms (imagine that) and
am told there is a patch to vms 6.1 that makes it more tolerant of non dec
drives by making it set the two bytes in the drive configuration automatically.
it's at ftp://service.digital.com it's called vaxscsi03_61.zip
Haven't applied it yet. I'll keep you posted. Now to find a cdrom that
the vaxstation likes. :)
--
Jim Strickland
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In a message dated 11.3.1999 17:01:29 Eastern Standard Time,
steverob(a)hotoffice.com writes:
> As a former model airplane builder, I have found that the effectiveness of
> Superglue varies *tremendously* from brand to brand. There are also several
> different types. Some of them are very thin like water. Seems like those
> only stick to flesh. Others are more of a Gel and work just the way you'd
> expect.
>
> Before giving up, I'd try a couple of different ones. It sure beats waiting
> for epoxy to cure. If helps, I'll see if I can find a source for the "Good"
> stuff?
>
> Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
i build airplanes as well, and what works good is the thin type glue and then
a shot of that funky smelling accelerator. that makes any suprglue setup
within seconds.
david
