<successful. The processors were used in a wide variety of machines. The
<VAX is DEC's first 32-bit machine. It used an OS called VMS, which some
<people like a lot for some reason, to the point of still using it. I heard
<that NT has a lot of VMS engineers behind it. An Altair is an early 8-bit
VMS is still used for one reason beyond preference, it's a 24x365 robust
operating system that even memory loss doesn't crash. VMS is still a
production operating system V7.2 or V7.3 I think is current. VAXen are
still sold by Compaq and VMS is also the OS for Alpha along with unix-64
and NT.
Nt has Cutler (only real name) who used to be of the DEC RSX-11 (foundation
for VMS) fame.
<as a kit and was poorly designed/unreliable. Although the Altair used some
<medieval methods of programming, in later machines like the IMSAI, one
<would generally use a dumb terminal and resort to the front panel for
<debugging purposes. OK, now you may correct everything I said :)
Right on target. Most people even then lusted and used some form of
terminal rather than wear out fingers on the front pannel. Even altair
users had terminals of some sort. the most common use for the front pannel
was for code that was not configured for the IO in use (no standards) so you
would single stp through the IO portion, write it all down by hand and then
hand patch it for what IO was in use.
Allison
<CP/M. You can download the source, but it's not "Free Software". You hav
<to get a license from Caldera for commercial use.
Inflact the only question was is the source available (no other qualifiers).
Ok then P2dos, a clone that is a direct replacement and improved. there
are others (suprbdos, Zsdos, Zrdos). See my earlier post. The question
didn't qualify commercial or not. If you allow for non commercial/student
use the list is quite large.
Allison
Eric-
Check with me next time you're in Denver. I may still have the software
somewhere, but I know I had the CP/M-version documents in my hand about a
week ago.
Dick
----------
> From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: wanted: muMath and/or muLisp for Apple II or CP/M
> Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 3:22 PM
>
> I seem to have misplaced my copies of muMath and muLisp for
> the Apple II. If anyone would like to sell their old ones
> to me, please let me know. The CP/M version would also be
> of interest. If all else fails, I could live with the
> PC-DOS version, but I don't want Derive (the product that
> replaced muMath).
>
> Thanks!
> Eric
>I saw an IBM 5150 today in a thrift store. The odd thing about it was
>that it had no disk drives! It only had two black covers over the disk
>drive bays. It seems like it came from the factory this way. It is the
>first revision of motherboard with the cassette jack, so its conceivable
>that it was used with a cassette recorder and was always like this. Does
>anyone wish to concur on this? I'm debating if I should get it, but not
>for the $20 they have it tagged for.
Interesting... I had a machine in one of the piles at work (I have a
second office, called the 'Annex' where I do hardware hacking for my
group on occasion, and stuff gets dumped there) which I recently
excessed, and it had 'IBM-PC' on it, along with 5150 on one of the
labels... But it had a fair amount of memory in it, and a hard disk
drive in it... Should I have saved it and tried to purchase it from
the company?
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
<I know of no laws relating lift vs. ramp on anything related to
<special class licenses, though perhaps there might be something
<special enacted in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. You
<might inquire at rental places over the line in NH where (most)
<of the laws are a bit less draconian.
there is none in MA save for lift gates are not toys(trained users)
and they are usually found on class-2 sized trucks.
Allison
I'm finding stuff that was buried in the uncharted, uncivilized regions of
the basement over at the old house. I have a Commodore CBM 8050 Dual Disk
drive unit. Originally it was with a CBM 8032 that's long been disposed of.
Don't know condition as I have no way to test it now.
Anybody want it for whatever you may want to offer? I'm easy! Consider
that shipping weight may be around 15-20 lbs from zip 14701.
I'll likely have more odds 'n' ends that I don't need and will post them
here for you. Just gotta dig through the pile. I found some old radio and
TV parts today that I had back when I was in high school (figure '68 -
'71). An archeologist's playground over there ;)
Regards, Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa
>IBM's braindead decision to have 5 (instead of 8) expansion slots meant
>that aftermarket "multifunction" cards became quite popular. MANY of
>them advertised SIX functions; after memory, serial, parallel, and
>joystick, how many people remember what purported to be the other two
>functions?
clock and ??? memory fade.
Dan
>
>But the original $1320 5150 was devoid of drives and cards. ** FS
>(after I back off all of the mods and put the original pieces back in) **
>
>--
>Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com
>XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com
>2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366
>Berkeley, CA 94710-2219
>
>
I have several packages of DEC PathWorks software available as follows.
PathWorks 4.1 for DOS (media and docs, three packages in the set).
PathWorks 4.1 for OpenVMS (media and docs, two packages in the set).
PathWorks 5 for OpenVMS LAN Manager (whatever the heck that is, media and
docs, two boxes in the set).
Since I plan on using NetBSD and TCP/IP for my main networking functions,
I don't see that I'll ever need this stuff.
Best offer takes the lot. Thanks in advance.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
