>All over the country?
>
>Is this the right time to try and resurrect VCF-UK?
>
>Or even VCF-Europe?
Whoops... I apologize for being too Ameri-centric...
I should know better...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
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>I think our vision of such a place may be something like a Cybercafe with
>a dedicated place for old computer equipment to be renovated and
>experimented with. Obviously there would be a place for visiting
>computers systems as well as space for "The Collection".
Yes, yes... that's it exactly...
>I propose the Cybercafe part to raise enough revenue to pay for the space
>but I down't really know if you could generate enough to keep out of the
>red.
My problem is that I don't have the time to organize it myself, nor
the courage to take the risk... if I were a little more financially
set (like after winning a lottery), I would consider it, but not right
now...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
Hum, I've generally had good luck with SPID, but most of the old stuff I ask
them about is 2000 related which really means "1000 series" for most intents
and purposes. Since the 1000 stuff is more "current" perhaps that's why I've
had better luck.
Also, I must admit going straight to PAL rather than SPID. This avenue is
open if you have a request :)
Jay West
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: HP phone numbers...
>Jay,
>
> Thanks for posting this but I've never had ANY luck with HP's parts
>identification. I recently called about something for a HP9825 and they
>swore they'd never made a 9825. Funny since I have about 8 of them sitting
>here! They have also told me that there was NEVER a service manual for the
>9815 (and others). I later found one. As I said, I have NEVER gotten any
>help from them. It's a waste of a time to call them IMO.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion of the FRD. I'd heard of that but didn't know
>how to get ahold of them.
>
>
> BTW for any of you that try to locate docs for HP stuff, don't forget to
>ask if they have a PN for the doc on micro-fiche. I've gotten lucky a
>couple of times and got docs on fiche that weren't available on paper.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>At 01:52 PM 3/23/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Here's some handy phone numbers...
>>
>>HP Service Parts Identification: 916-783-0804
>>I don't know for sure if this number is for public dissemination, but I
know
>>they don't ask for a reseller number or anything when you call. They can
>>identify part numbers for you, cross reference part numbers, etc.
Generally
>>they can also translate mfg. part numbers to replacement (refurb, etc.)
part
>>numbers too. You can get some info just via touch tones, but eventually
you
>>can get a real human to look things up for you. This number even has
>>selections for the 1000 series, test and measurement, medical, etc...
>>
>>HP Direct: 800-227-8164
>>This number is for ordering ANY hp parts. They ask for a reseller number,
>>but this is only to determine discount levels. They will sell to the
general
>>public (those without a reseller number) but only at list price. So - this
>>number is definitely "open to the public" as long as you don't mind paying
>>list.
>>
>>Generally when a product is discontinued HP clears the shelves and trashes
>>anything past the EOS (end of support) date. However, when you call HP
>>Direct if the product is not stocked and no longer made, I suggest you ask
>>them for the number for FRD. This is their division which handles
>>remanufactured gear (I don't have the number with me at the moment). They
>>might have that 1972 widget on a shelf... :)
>>
>>There is also a strictly touch tone part ID phone number which I used to
>>have but lost. One of these days I'll ask another CE for it. You punch in
>>the part number and a recording tells you what the product is, what major
>>assembly it goes with, updated (replacement) part numbers, etc. Anyone
have
>>this?
>>
>>Finally, if anyone needs a really tough HP part number tracked down, just
>>let me know. I can get access indirectly to the HP internal parts database
>>(PAL) which has every part HP ever made in it. I even tested it out with a
>>dust cover plug from an HP41C calculator and it brought it right up. I
don't
>>want to abuse this route with my contact - but if anyone needs that on
rare
>>occasion feel free to contact me.
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>Jay West
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>CS/80 Instruction Set Programming Manual, part no. 5955-3442.
Aw heck, why didn't you guys just say so :)
Since in my day job I'm an HP reseller, I just did some checking with my HP
sources. The following manual:
CS/80 Instruction Set Programming Manual, part no. 5955-3442 (new part
number 07957+49A-90003) is available. My cost is $24.00 each plus shipping.
Does anyone want me to order some copies and ship?
Jay West
I dunno Jay, you better check stock!
I called HP about a week ago and they said it was on
'backorder'. They couldn't give me a lead time, either.
Hm. I wonder if they were just jerking my chain . . .
If they're in stock, put me down for one.
Jeff
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:40:03 -0600 "Jay West" <jlwest(a)tseinc.com> writes:
>>CS/80 Instruction Set Programming Manual, part no. 5955-3442.
>
>
>Aw heck, why didn't you guys just say so :)
>
>Since in my day job I'm an HP reseller, I just did some checking with
>my HP
>sources. The following manual:
>
>CS/80 Instruction Set Programming Manual, part no. 5955-3442 (new
>part
>number 07957+49A-90003) is available. My cost is $24.00 each plus
>shipping.
>
>Does anyone want me to order some copies and ship?
>
>Jay West
>
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Does anyone know how the fn keys work on the Toshiba T3100e40?
I have one of these 286 and I have no idea how to use the fn combo with
the F# keys.
Also how do I get into the setup CMOS in one of these computers?
Are there software that I can get to work with it, IE, powersavers and etc?
Also how do I get the modem to work on the computer? I have noticed that
there are already 2 builtin serial ports, one in back and one on the
right hand side. Also what is little round plug used for, that is located
on the left hand side of the laptop? Is that little plugin for a INPORT
mouse or a Logitec Handheld scanner or what? Some models has a plastic
plug in that socket.
Thanks
dan
>Actually sharing the Vision --
As long as we're doing the "Vision Thang" I'll kick in my $.018995211 worth.
There used to be a nice book store in town called "A Clean Well Lighted
Place for Books" and it was unique in that the people who worked there
read, and they wanted you to read too. You could pick out a book, read a
few chapters, talk with people who probably had already read it, etc. I
thought it was really a cool place.
So I figured I'd open "A Clean Well Lighted Place to Hack."
Kind of the same deal, we'd sell quality technical books in addition to
coke and twinkies :-) And one of the coolest parts would be the 'hack
wall'. That would be a wall of single board computers and i/o lines from
non computers connected to lights, speakers, fans, LED bar signs, etc. The
idea being that if you needed something to "target" in order to hack some
code the wall was available. Periodically we'd showcase the best "wall
hack" where someone had several computers working together to do something
cool on with the wall i/o.
--Chuck
Found this reference in another newsgroup.
<CLIP>
>
> We are located in 411 W. River Rd, Elgin, IL 60123.
>
> Everything at http://www2.iteams.org/webadmin/moving_sale.htm is
available. Our prices are highly negotiable.
>
> Philip
>
> --
> _______________________________________________________
> Philip Barker phil.barker(a)iteams.org
> Asst Manager of Info Systems 847.429.0900
> International Teams - USA http://www.iteams.org
</CLIP>
Check under the "mini-computer" heading . They have a MICRO VAX II and a
MICRO VAX III listed. Orginally, they had a TANDY 16 in the listing. I see
that it has been removed :-(
Please contact the seller directly.
Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
I'm not at all sure I'd let current generation programmers mess with MY
computer hardware. Thirty years ago, when programmers were not only the
people hunched over a teletype, but also the guys who jumpered the 026
keypunch and knew how to decipher what was on a tape which wouldn't deskew
properly, you could trust them to examine without damaging things. Over the
past 20 years, however, I've observed that programmers have less and less
concept of the reality of the computer in front of them or down the hall at
the end of the cable . . .
Such individuals would probably do damage, irreparable or otherwise, yet not
only fail to grasp that it could happen, but deny it when faced with
incontrovertible evidence of their sins.
I don't know whether it's better to protect the old hardware, or the
people's right to see it. I do know that I've observed perfectly
adult-looking individuals doing things to computer equipment not their own,
of which I would only accuse a child not tall enough to reach it.
just my nickel's worth . . . (inflation)
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Rebirth of IMSAI
>On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
>>Do you really think that such a display is an acceptable substitute for
>>the real thing?
>
>Well, I would be very cautious about letting people use the 'real thing'
>(see below).
>
>>If you keep a complete backup of the hard disk (something that's a good
>>idea anyway), and possibly substitute the keyboard (if spares for it are
>>impossible to obtain), then there's little that can be damaged from
>>people using the machine. And an unoriginal keyboard is a lot better than
>>an unoriginal CPU
>
>Yes, that's true. But how would the people use such a machine anyway? I
>mean, if you put on a card some instructions, people will just type them
>in not understanding the reasons for them, and not get any joy from it.
>This is especially true for machines that don't use keyboards and
>screens. Let's say we took a DEC running OS/8 and let people use it. What
>would they do with it? They might type DIR, say "Oh, it's like DOS" and
>walk way.
>
>>Are you sure about that. Some people are certainly interested in seeing
>>how things (computers, steam engines, machine tools, etc) were used. I've
>>been to plenty of interesting museums where many exhibits consist of
>>somebody demonstrating something.
>
>Yes, but for a computer there's nothing to watch besides blinking lights.
>For a steam engine, you see someone poke firewood, the wheel spinning,
>smoke coming out, etc.
>
> --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
>
