test-drb December 1999

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by vincent.himpe＠mie.alcatel.be

Hi all Just thought i might try my luck here. I'm looking for *ANY* PL/M compiler ( PLM80 PLM51 PLM96 PM960 PLM86 ) for DOS . They cut development of these long ago but it's still my favorite language for low level stuff ( next to assembler ) anyone got any clue where to get these ? Vincent

25 years, 4 months

DEC Qbus Card

by stanp＠storm.ca

I found an Emulex CU04...... Qbus card today. Being the curious type, I picked it up. It's got a 34 pin header on the handle edge, and about 15 feet of shielded ribbon cable with it...... Now for the question of the day: What is it? Any thoughts? OT: Emulex (and their web site) seems to ignore everything that's not current product....... Stan

25 years, 4 months

Apple Adjustable Keyboard

by MacNut9765＠aol.com

Would you happen to still have that keyboard? I know I'm sending this almost a year after you posted your original message but I just figured I would ask. I happen to have one of those keyboards and it grew on me. I didn't care for it when I first bought it but I love it now. Unfortunately, its getting old now and many of the buttons are starting to not work anymore or double type. I have been trying to find a replacement for it but they are rather tough to find. I really dont care for the current straight keyboards now that I am used to the adjustable one its hard to go back. Not to mention that I tend to make many more typos with a straight keyboard since Im used to having it split all the time. Let me know, I would appriciate it. Thanks! macnut9765(a)aol.com

25 years, 4 months

HELP! DEC AXP Serial Console

by msg＠computerpro.com

Greetings. Life's tough without manuals. We'd appreciate some help with configuring an async terminal as console on a DEC 3000-M400 (and to remain on topic advice for the same on VAXStation 3100). After an exhaustive 'net search with little success researching cable data we empirically wired the following cable: MMJ-F,front view DB-25F Unix host DCE? DCE (multiport ctrlr)DTE ----- | 1 |----------dtr------------------ 20 dtr---------cd - 2 |----------td------------------- 2 td----------rd | 3 |----------td gnd---|----------- 7 sgnd--------gnd | 4 |----------rd gnd---| - 5 |----------rd ------------------ 3 rd----------td | 6 |----------dsr------------------ 6 cd----------dtr ----- |- 5 cts---------rts (pin nos are conjecture) |- 4 rts---------cts Setting the terminal for 9600,7,1,e produces a readable display during boot but commands entered to the firmware monitor and/or to SYSBOOT are invalid even though they echo properly. Only the single '?' or the letter 'c' function as intended. The system works properly when used with the attached keyboard/display (with the 'alternate console' switch in the other position). The terminal works properly as a login terminal under VMS (6.1 AXP) using this cable. Using other parity, framing, baud, etc. doesn't help. Also, the machine came without UCX (TCP/IP) and has no floppy or tape at the moment. We'd like to transfer some files over the serial cable (uuencoded or otherwise) and have tried 'COPY OPA1: FOO' which works except that an interrupt (^C) doesn't close the file. The proper procedure would be appreciated. Is there a terminal program bundled with VMS 6.1 (we couldn't find one)? We'd also appreciate advice regarding obtaining VMS documentation beyond the online help system and 'net faqs (I can't imagine becoming fluent in DCL or VMS otherwise) and hardware documentation for 3100 and AXP series machines (one would hope that microfiche or cd-rom versions exist by now).

25 years, 4 months

Game economics (was Re: The good old days of tape players)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Chris Kennedy <chris(a)mainecoon.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 11:23 AM Subject: OT: Game economics (was Re: The good old days of tape players) >Glenatacme(a)aol.com wrote: > >[snip] > >> Their reasoning is: if I never bought a ZX81, but I use a ZX81 emulator on my >> PC to run ZX81 programs, then what is to stop me from using a Sony >> Playstation emulator on my PC to avoid buying a Playstation? >> >> My opinion is: the major game producers are afraid that if the public finds >> out that for well under US$100 anyone with a PC and a modem can pick up an >> "obsolete" computer and get 10,000 games, free, the new hot-rod game machines >> might lose a few sales. > > >Wellll, it turns out I have some insight into this. Until about 18 months ago >I was director of special projects for TAEC, a division of Toshiba. One of >the things which fell into my lap was developing the methodology for and >directing the actual verification effort for what was then called the TX5900; >the 5900 is the superscalar 128-bit core for CPU2, which in turn is the >processor for the Playstation II. As a consequence of this position I have some >insight into the thinking at SCE... > >One of the first things I learned was that "normal" assumptions regarding >economics associated with game consoles don't work. SCE more or less gave >the PS1 away and will do the same with the PS2; at some points in the lifetime >of the product the wholesale price is less than the manufacturing cost. The >money is made on the titles, not on the individual consoles, and hence SCE >has a motivation to see that as many copies of titles are shipped without >copies being bootlegged. In a somewhat misguided attempt to control that >SCE indulged in a bit of idiocy with the PS1 in the hopes of preventing >people from making copies of the code. > >The economics changed somewhat as the PS1 reached end-of-life and the >production cost of the PS1 had fallen somewhat (such that some >miniscule amount of money was being netted out on console sales), but >SCE's objections to PS1 emulators were rooted not in the potential loss >of such revenue, but rather in the need to duplicate SCE code contained >in the PS1 console ROM. > >As for PC's eating into PS2 sales, don't hold your breath. When you can >buy a PC with a 128-bit reconfigurable integer CPU with 10 floating point >units organized into two vector processors, synchronous rambus, a dedicated >rendering engine, ethernet, 56K modem, DVD drive and sound for $300 >(they also throw a PS1 chipset into the box, since the PS2 chipset >cannot run PS1 code) then SCE will find themselves in the same position >they were in 12 months ago. But then I'd expect the PS3 to be in the >works by then ;-) >-- Very well put! john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com >Chris Kennedy >chris(a)mainecoon.com >http://www.mainecoon.com >PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97 >

25 years, 4 months

[OT] They're restarting Chernobyl?

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Truthan,Larry may have mentioned these words: >Fact: Canada's largest Oil terminal and Refinery is on the St Mary's River >in Sarnia Ont. Fact: you've oopsed your Great Lakes geography... ;-) I was raised on the St. Mary's River (from age 7 up)... Still live nearby. Sarnia is across >from Port Huron, MI. Urmmm... Dahhh... According to the quickie mileage graph I have, Port Huron & DeTour Village (southern outlet of St. Mary's River) are 349 Miles away... a goodly 275+ miles by water I'd guess. Fact: If the oil terminal is in Sarnia, it's on a different river... :-) Prost, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

25 years, 4 months

Basic Source for Super Star Trek

by aek＠spies.com

"I do have the original SPACWR.BAS (Mike Mayfield, converted by David Ahl, I think) if you want that..." it would be nice to find the original HP2000 version somewhere. The copy that Jeff Moffatt has on the HP2100 page looks like a bad read.

25 years, 4 months

Basic Source for Super Star Trek

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Rich. On Dec 1, 20:18, Richard A. Cini wrote: > Hello, all: > > Does anyone have a copy of the Basic source for Super StarTrek? It's > included in the book "BASIC Computer Games" by David H. Ahl (Creative > Computing). Not *quite* what you're looking for, but point your web browser at ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/rhn/classic.basic.programs/ and you'll find a ported version. I have another version on one of my machines, but it's based on the the original (more or less) rather than Super Star Trek. I do have the original SPACWR.BAS (Mike Mayfield, converted by David Ahl, I think) if you want that... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

25 years, 4 months

Basic Source for Super Star Trek

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Does anyone have a copy of the Basic source for Super StarTrek? It's >included in the book "BASIC Computer Games" by David H. Ahl (Creative >Computing). > > I probably won't win the eOverPay auction, so I'm trying to search out a >copy of the game, since AFAIK, it's the only program of interest in book >anyway. Sure, I've got it, it's on one of the four 8" floppies that Creative Computing was selling in 1977 or so with all the "BASIC Computer Games" on them. If you want to see the original floppies and documentation cards, check out http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/flop1.jpg http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/flop2.jpg http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/sheet1a.gif http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/sheet2a.gif Here's what's on the four floppies - I'm pretty sure what you're asking for is "startrek.bas" from floppy #2. cpmutl version(7), date:7-30-85 disk status: 55 files, 55 extents, 184K allocated, 57K free recs K ex usr name 18 3K 1 [0]read.me 15 2K 1 [0]aceyducy.bas 23 3K 1 [0]amazing.bas 16 2K 1 [0]animal.bas 35 5K 1 [0]awari.bas 16 2K 1 [0]bagels.bas 22 3K 1 [0]banner.bas 34 5K 1 [0]basketbl.bas 16 2K 1 [0]batnum.bas 55 7K 1 [0]battle.bas 59 8K 1 [0]blackjck.bas 19 3K 1 [0]bombard.bas 21 3K 1 [0]bombsawy.bas 10 2K 1 [0]bounce.bas 17 3K 1 [0]bowling.bas 23 3K 1 [0]boxing.bas 40 5K 1 [0]bug.bas 35 5K 1 [0]bullfght.bas 12 2K 1 [0]bullseye.bas 11 2K 1 [0]bunny.bas 10 2K 1 [0]buzzword.bas 11 2K 1 [0]calendar.bas 10 2K 1 [0]change.bas 21 3K 1 [0]checkers.bas 9 2K 1 [0]chemist.bas 13 2K 1 [0]chief.bas 19 3K 1 [0]chomp.bas 61 8K 1 [0]civilwar.bas 25 4K 1 [0]combat.bas 17 3K 1 [0]craps.bas 27 4K 1 [0]cube.bas 10 2K 1 [0]depthchg.bas 5 1K 1 [0]diamond.bas 7 1K 1 [0]dice.bas 17 3K 1 [0]digits.bas 16 2K 1 [0]evenwin1.bas 22 3K 1 [0]evenwin2.bas 14 2K 1 [0]flipflop.bas 47 6K 1 [0]footbal1.bas 47 6K 1 [0]footbal2.bas 42 6K 1 [0]furtradr.bas 41 6K 1 [0]golf.bas 14 2K 1 [0]gomoko.bas 9 2K 1 [0]guess.bas 13 2K 1 [0]gunner.bas 34 5K 1 [0]hamurabi.bas 25 4K 1 [0]hangman.bas 24 3K 1 [0]hello.bas 39 5K 1 [0]hexapawn.bas 8 1K 1 [0]hilo.bas 26 4K 1 [0]hi-q.bas 58 8K 1 [0]hockey.bas 25 4K 1 [0]amazingp.bas 8 1K 1 [0]menu.bas 0 0K 1 [0]-games.600 ---- --- -- 1271 184 55 cpmutl version(7), date:7-30-85 disk status: 56 files, 56 extents, 182K allocated, 59K free recs K ex usr name 18 3K 1 [0]read.me 23 3K 1 [0]horsrace.bas 10 2K 1 [0]hurkle.bas 7 1K 1 [0]kinema.bas 65 9K 1 [0]king.bas 47 6K 1 [0]lem.bas 7 1K 1 [0]letter.bas 14 2K 1 [0]life.bas 16 2K 1 [0]life2.bas 14 2K 1 [0]litquiz.bas 17 3K 1 [0]lunar.bas 36 5K 1 [0]madlib.bas 36 5K 1 [0]mastrmnd.bas 11 2K 1 [0]mathdice.bas 13 2K 1 [0]mugwump.bas 8 1K 1 [0]name.bas 8 1K 1 [0]nicoma.bas 26 4K 1 [0]nim.bas 9 2K 1 [0]number.bas 17 3K 1 [0]onecheck.bas 28 4K 1 [0]orbit.bas 12 2K 1 [0]poetry.bas 53 7K 1 [0]poker.bas 45 6K 1 [0]qubic.bas 20 3K 1 [0]pizza.bas 28 4K 1 [0]queen.bas 14 2K 1 [0]reverse.bas 21 3K 1 [0]rocket.bas 9 2K 1 [0]rocksp.bas 44 6K 1 [0]roulette.bas 6 1K 1 [0]rusrou.bas 55 7K 1 [0]salvo.bas 4 1K 1 [0]sinewave.bas 32 4K 1 [0]slalom.bas 17 3K 1 [0]slots.bas 39 5K 1 [0]splat.bas 12 2K 1 [0]stars.bas 56 7K 1 [0]stock.bas 119 15K 1 [0]startrek.bas 46 6K 1 [0]trekinst.bas 14 2K 1 [0]synonym.bas 19 3K 1 [0]target.bas 9 2K 1 [0]tictac1.bas 18 3K 1 [0]tictac2.bas 29 4K 1 [0]towers.bas 6 1K 1 [0]train.bas 11 2K 1 [0]trap.bas 8 1K 1 [0]menu.bas 13 2K 1 [0]23-match.bas 4 1K 1 [0]3dplot.bas 15 2K 1 [0]war.bas 27 4K 1 [0]weekday.bas 14 2K 1 [0]word.bas 11 2K 1 [0]love.bas 11 2K 1 [0]love-p.bas 0 0K 1 [0]-games.601 ---- --- -- 1271 182 56 cpmutl version(7), date:7-30-85 disk status: 55 files, 55 extents, 219K allocated, 22K free recs K ex usr name 23 3K 1 [0]artilry3.bas 19 3K 1 [0]bogaii.bas 12 2K 1 [0]blackbox.bas 20 3K 1 [0]big6.bas 47 6K 1 [0]bridgeit.bas 29 4K 1 [0]bocce.bas 59 8K 1 [0]bombrun.bas 7 1K 1 [0]binary.bas 35 5K 1 [0]bobstone.bas 26 4K 1 [0]bacrat.bas 24 3K 1 [0]biblquiz.bas 25 4K 1 [0]condot.bas 16 2K 1 [0]concentr.bas 50 7K 1 [0]convoy.bas 16 2K 1 [0]corral.bas 15 2K 1 [0]column.bas 33 5K 1 [0]clsenctr.bas 25 4K 1 [0]chase.bas 10 2K 1 [0]chuck.bas 14 2K 1 [0]cup.bas 10 2K 1 [0]countdwn.bas 35 5K 1 [0]camel.bas 14 2K 1 [0]defuse.bas 59 8K 1 [0]dealers.bas 48 6K 1 [0]deepspce.bas 25 4K 1 [0]dragrace.bas 14 2K 1 [0]doctorz.bas 47 6K 1 [0]dodgem.bas 10 2K 1 [0]doors.bas 53 7K 1 [0]eliza.bas 31 4K 1 [0]father.bas 33 5K 1 [0]geowar.bas 17 3K 1 [0]flip.bas 32 4K 1 [0]guess-it.bas 54 7K 1 [0]granprix.bas 12 2K 1 [0]icbm.bas 18 3K 1 [0]inkblot.bas 35 5K 1 [0]joust.bas 13 2K 1 [0]jmpballs.bas 26 4K 1 [0]keno.bas 9 2K 1 [0]lisajous.bas 38 5K 1 [0]lewis.bas 41 6K 1 [0]lifexpct.bas 59 8K 1 [0]l-game.bas 59 8K 1 [0]million.bas 29 4K 1 [0]maneuvrs.bas 45 6K 1 [0]maze.bas 18 3K 1 [0]merabbit.bas 15 2K 1 [0]mcycljmp.bas 16 2K 1 [0]magicsqr.bas 59 8K 1 [0]minotaur.bas 9 2K 1 [0]menu.bas 17 3K 1 [0]matpuzzl.bas 17 3K 1 [0]mstrbgls.bas 13 2K 1 [0]mmind.bas ---- --- -- 1535 219 55 cpmutl version(7), date:7-30-85 disk status: 35 files, 36 extents, 166K allocated, 75K free recs K ex usr name 7 1K 1 [0]menu.bas 21 3K 1 [0]not-one.bas 29 4K 1 [0]obstacle.bas 22 3K 1 [0]pasart.bas 51 7K 1 [0]nomad.bas 43 6K 1 [0]octrix.bas 63 8K 1 [0]pinball.bas 13 2K 1 [0]patterns.bas 74 10K 1 [0]pasart2.bas 28 4K 1 [0]roadrace.bas 131 17K 2 [0]seabat.bas 22 3K 1 [0]smash.bas 20 3K 1 [0]rotate.bas 13 2K 1 [0]rbbtchs.bas 20 3K 1 [0]safe.bas 18 3K 1 [0]schmoo.bas 25 4K 1 [0]scales.bas 43 6K 1 [0]seawar.bas 21 3K 1 [0]strike9.bas 35 5K 1 [0]shoot.bas 20 3K 1 [0]two-ten.bas 43 6K 1 [0]twonky.bas 9 2K 1 [0]ttape.bas 42 6K 1 [0]ufo.bas 18 3K 1 [0]tvplot.bas 29 4K 1 [0]tennis.bas 12 2K 1 [0]undrover.bas 52 7K 1 [0]uspop.bas 33 5K 1 [0]wspuzzle.bas 42 6K 1 [0]wumpus.bas 64 8K 1 [0]wumpus2.bas 25 4K 1 [0]vangam.bas 30 4K 1 [0]warfish.bas 45 6K 1 [0]yahtzee.bas 20 3K 1 [0]4inarow.bas ---- --- -- 1183 166 36 -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 4 months

Looking for Heath H89 software and some advice

by dmb＠itasoftware.com

Tony Duell wrote: >As regards getting more hard sectored disks, I've not found a source. Actually, I found a place on the web today (about 10 miles from my house, amusingly) that can make 10-track hard sector floppies. They say it will take 3-4 weeks, but were willing to sell me some for $1 a piece, or cheaper for quantities of 5000 or more. :) Here's their web address: http://www.athana.com On the subject of the nonbooting HDOS disks, I don't think there's anything wrong with the machine (I have two separate machines exhibiting the same behavior, after all) -- I think the disks are just very borderline. I adjusted the rotational speed on one of the H89's (it should be 200 according to my Heath manual) and then was able to get one of the HDOS disks to almost boot. But part way through the boot sequence it gets some unpleasant error and complains. So I suspect that if I had a fresh copy of an HDOS disk it would boot. Still don't know why the CP/M disks fared better, but perhaps they're a bit younger... Dave

25 years, 4 months

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test-drb December 1999