test-drb December 1999

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by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

I've currently got a uVAX II with a TK50 mounted sideways in the bay under the power switch in a BA123; dont think it creates any problems... :) -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

24 years, 6 months

Whats the screwiest thing you collect?

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>>Like, in Jakarta, I bought a gong. 28 inches in diameter, and >>weighing, um, I was going to say nearly 100lb but I think it's a bit less. > I'll >>have to weigh it. I wish I'd known how expensive excess baggage charges > are --- >>it cost me $700 US just to ship the damned thing home... > > And that gamelan gong has a connection to computers, too: Gamelan > music (playing in the background of shadow puppet plays) often > has its cycles of rhythms at powers of two, so a large gong > like that marks off time at, say, every 256 beats. Hey, I'd not spotted that. Yes, gamelan music is very binary: although the very slowest pulse (marked by the gong ageng) may not be a binary multiple of the next one up (gong suwukan, which is what I think I have), all the others are indeed binary subdivisions. One characteristic of gamelan music is that it tends to subdivide so far, and slow down so much, that I lose track of the tune in irama wilet or anything slower (I can't remember the names of half of these, it's so long ago) Something I never managed on either trip to Jakarta was to watch a wayang show. Oh well. > This cracked me up when I learned that in gamelan class, much like > the moment when aspects of the Japanese language reminded me of > stack-based computer languages. I don't know any Japanese so I can't comment. But German has a tendency to a verb on the stack, rather than say it, and leave it there until you've what the sentence is about forgotten, put :-) Philip. (Who back in 1988 wanted to call the student-designed college network "gamma-LAN") This E-mail message is private and confidential and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, reproduction, modification or publication of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. This message is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. This company therefore disclaims all responsibility and accepts no liability of any kind which may arise from any person acting, or refraining from acting, upon the contents of the message without having had subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)2476 425474

24 years, 6 months

Teleco Question... More on my devious plan....

by jott＠saturn.ee.nd.edu

Hello - I would be very interested in looking at the schematic. john In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991202094330.007b31e0(a)mail.wincom.net>; from foxvideo(a)wincom.net on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 09:43:30AM -0500 On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 09:43:30AM -0500, Charles E. Fox wrote: > At 10:39 AM 12/1/1999 -0600, you wrote: > >At 10:03 AM 12/1/99 -0600, Arfon Gryffydd wrote: > >>I have some old modems (TRS-80, acoustic and etc.) which I would like to > >>use (flashing LEDs are cool) so, I want to build a little telco emulator to > >>interface with the modems in one of my Linux boxes. > > > > I built a box about twenty years ago to ring a telephone on stage. If you > find nothing better I will try to find the schematic. If I remember > correctly it was four power transistors in a sort of flip-flop, and ran off > dry cells. > > Regards > > Charlie Fox > > > Charles E. Fox > Chas E. Fox Video Productions > 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada > email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo > -- *********************************************************************** * John Ott * Email: jott(a)saturn.ee.nd.edu * * Dept. Electrical Engineering * * * 275 Fitzpatrick Hall * * * University of Notre Dame * Phone: (219) 631-7752 * * Notre Dame, IN 46556 USA * * ***********************************************************************

24 years, 6 months

VAXstation 3100 history (Was ... different)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote: > > Since then, I've seen uptimes on the cluster at Lucent measured in months. > > > > -ethan > > Nice to see Lucent still has at least one Vax. Wish I could get an > account or had the time to get my Vaxstation at home up. When my contract ran out in April, they were still a couple of projects running on the cluster of an 8550 (now defunct and a source of parts), an 8700, an 8810 and some model of 7000. There were numerous 8650s and 88xxs and many stripped shells of 6xxxs earlier this year. As I've written before, no chance of rescue. :-( The VAXen, at least, being as big as they are and that particular data center being as lightly used as it is, they haven't bothered to clear out the machines. It's easier to leave them where they sit than to move them. Perhaps they'll clean house in the New Year. Oh... I almost forgot about the pair of RP06 drives sitting in the middle of the room with nothing to talk to. There is *nothing* anywhere in there that could *possibly* have a MASSBUS. I suppose that, given the large space _near_ the RPs that there was once a 785 or something similar but has been gone for years. > Bell Labs is pretty much Suns, PC's an occasional SGI or HP and > no visible DEC. Boy the times have changed. I was the DEC install guy > who installed 11/780's at the labs back in '81. I should be more precise - I was referring to the Columbus Works, not anyplace on the East Coast. I would be seriously surprised if you ever installed a system in Ohio. My primary job there was to be "The Sun Guy". Everybody else was an NCR expert. They still have lots of them there, but NCR is just down the road in Dayton. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

24 years, 6 months

VMS 4.7 was VAXstation 3100 history (Was ... different)

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Really, in my opinion; its not _extremely_ bad just for some basic poking around in VMS (which is all I can really do with such a minimal install anyways :) I once had a 386SX-16 running like Slackware Linux 3.5 as a NAT gateway on my LAN with 4 megs of RAM... after that, pretty much anything else seems fast (considering it pretty much ran from swap :) I'd like to get some more RAM for it.. originally, it had a 6 meg expansion board, but it turned out to be bad so I removed it.. I'd like to get the system expanded to something a bit more usable, but i've not had much luck tracking down memory (and I gather the stuff that is out there usually is a bit expensive). On the other hand, I'm looking into getting a VAXstation 4000/VLC with 24 meg, which should be a little bit more useful for general VMS exploration.. then I could set aside the 3100 more for preservation and "waiting for parts". -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

24 years, 6 months

VMS 4.7 was VAXstation 3100 history (Was ... different)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Hmmmm... Can anyone distribute a version of VMS? I have a few TK50s <with VMS 5.x on them, but I don't want to sell them (or loan them <for fear of damage.) You can copy or give them away under the hobby license program. So if you have a working system and TK50 you could copy them onto someone elses media. they would have to get a DECUS license for their system. Basically DEC copyrighted the programs on the media and still claims ownership but allows use for noncommercial use, under that case Copying it for the same use is resonable. I'm sure there are some fine points on this I'm missing. <If I set up a private website, and placed images of the TK50s suitable <for generating new TK50s from, would Compaq come after me? Copying the <tape violates their copyright, but do they still care? This is on the edge maybe. <Opinions anyone? What arrangement does DECUS (COMPAQus? COMus? PAQus?) <have with DEC that allows them to generate CDROMs for the hobbiest <license? Speak to the guys down at MONTAGAR.COM, they cut and distribute the VMS7.2 kit and before that they did same for a V5.4 through V6.1 kit. The CDs were $30. Allison

24 years, 6 months

VMS 4.7 was VAXstation 3100 history (Was ... different)

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Well.... I dont know about those "minimum RAM requirements"... I've been getting away with running V7.2 on a VS3100/38 with 4 megs of RAM and a single RZ23 in it for a bit... can't do much with it though :) -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

24 years, 6 months

VAXstation 3100 history (Was ... different)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: > The last version that would fit on that had to be before V5! I got some RC25 carts (now gone with the departed 11/725) from a local company that used their 11/725 as a boot manager for the office VS2000s. It was running VMS 5.0. It *barely* fit and was probably not supported. > > Officially the 730 only holds 5 Mbytes. I don't know if there's any > > way of extending this. I think the official max for the 11/725 might have been 3 or 4Mb, possibly due to cooling restrictions - it was the same power supply as the 11/730-Z, so it wasn't power, per se. I had 5Mb in my 11/725 and never had a problem, supported configuration or no. > The minimum ram required for VMS went from 1mb to 4mb(as of V5.4) over the > years. The 730 could take more ram, there were third party board for 8 > and 16mb if memory serves. I've seen more than a few with 6mb of DEC ram. I never saw a third-party board over 1Mb for the 11/730, not that there weren't such beasts. My employer would have bought one if it were under $500/Mb. We did have some EMC 1Mb boards that used 256x1 DRAMs - same board size as a DEC 1Mb board, of course, but 90% empty. I threw them into the 11/730 as we found them because they obviously used less power and generated less heat. Good, solid boards. Never had one fail (can't say the same for the DEC boards, but we did have every machine maxxed out providing more statistical chances for failures). -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

24 years, 6 months

HP87XM

by alec.sibbald＠gecm.com

And if not, does anybody have an HP87XM for sale. >Can anybody tell me if a basic application running on an HP87XM will >also run on an HP200/300 series > >Cheers > >Alec ------------------------------------------ Alec Sibbald Senior Development Engineer BAE Systems - MSD(E) 1 South Gyle Crescent Edinburgh EH12 9HQ Tel: (44)131-314 8155 Fax: (44)131-314 8353 alec.sibbald(a)gecm.com http://www.gec-marconi.com

24 years, 6 months

TK50 orientation?

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Works fine either way. Mine is in the side slot and the top slot is for the RX33's. Do you just need the foot or the complete shell for the BA23? I have a bunch but the shell is a real PITA to ship. I have a H*** of a time finding boxes for them. I even checked on having some made. About $4.50 ea. with a 100 minimum quantity. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 1:03 AM Subject: TK50 orientation? >Does anyone know what the "official" word is on TK50 orientation? By >orientation I mean can I put a TK50 drive in a BA123 in the "sideways" >slot? (Tape slot's long direction is vertical) I notice that they would >have to be that way in a BA23 in a floor stand. > >And speaking of BA23's, does anyone have a spare floor stand? I've got a >VAXStation 3200 that I'd like to put in a floor unit (I've currently got it >in a rack shelf.) > >--Chuck >

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test-drb December 1999