test-drb December 1999

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by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a Livingston Portmaster IRX terminal server / router for trade for something interesting of equal or lesser value ($150 or so) if anybody's interested... mail me for more details. -- Bill Bradford * mrbill(a)mrbill.net / http://www.mrbill.net mrbill(a)sunhelp.org / http://www.sunhelp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows NT for mission-critical applications." -- What Yoda *meant* to say

24 years, 8 months

8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform

by edick＠idcomm.com

Oh, I forgot one thing . . . I DO have the manual for the 860 series drives, but it's kind-of hard to get at for the holidays, since I'm being induced to put away my toys. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stek <bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 5:43 PM Subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform >Dick (or anyone else) - > >Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.) >for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest... > >I have just added 2 8"ers to my AT via a Compaticard. I have them working >as MS-DOS drives D: and E: just fine, but when I use Uniform it always >accesses the 360K B: drive instead of the 8". I've got the Compaticard >manual, set up the board as the secondary, tertiary, and quartiary(?) >controller, tried EVERY combination of drive #'s (0-15), twisted and >straight cables, different cable combo's, different DS's on the drives, and >it STILL won't do anything but try to access the B: drive (when it accesses >anything at all) when I use Uniform to access the F:(CP/M) drive. I even >tried ASSIGNing the B: drive. > >So close but yet so far.... > >Bob Stek >bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com >Saver of Lost SOLs > >

24 years, 8 months

8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform

by edick＠idcomm.com

I'm not as "into" the CompatiCard, which, by the way, I just recently sold for a pretty good price, as I might be, but I do recall that there was jumpering information in the manual. What you nave to do is figure out what the equivalent jumpering for an SA850 would have been. I don't think there was 850-specific information, but as I recall, the manual didn't suggest one could use more than one 8" drive, either. There's information on the MicroSolutions web site, as I'm told. Perhaps they can help you. regards, Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stek <bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 5:43 PM Subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform >Dick (or anyone else) - > >Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.) >for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest... > >I have just added 2 8"ers to my AT via a Compaticard. I have them working >as MS-DOS drives D: and E: just fine, but when I use Uniform it always >accesses the 360K B: drive instead of the 8". I've got the Compaticard >manual, set up the board as the secondary, tertiary, and quartiary(?) >controller, tried EVERY combination of drive #'s (0-15), twisted and >straight cables, different cable combo's, different DS's on the drives, and >it STILL won't do anything but try to access the B: drive (when it accesses >anything at all) when I use Uniform to access the F:(CP/M) drive. I even >tried ASSIGNing the B: drive. > >So close but yet so far.... > >Bob Stek >bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com >Saver of Lost SOLs > >

24 years, 8 months

Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Worse yet, they were rewarded! What was really crazy was that I could do all the stuff I needed done on my desktop PC, but the department madated that the HP system be used, which meant that although my design was complete and the boards sent out for wirewrap and returned, tested, etc, while the first-level simulations are still (well the project was cut short ...) in day-for-day slip (for over 10 years now) because HP's simulation model libraries used the same filenames, yet their content was mixed, i.e. different simulation timing resolutions, etc. They had no models for currrent generation (then) parts, so each component had to be ordered separately at HUGE cost. In the time it took the thing to simuate a single flip-flop, I could walk the considerable distance to my office, start up my PC-XT, ( I had to bring my own because the company preferred MAC's, for which no useful software existed) load the software and the files and run and subsequently print my simulation, and still had time to walk back to my diligently running $50K workstation and drink a cup of coffee waiting for it to finish the simulation. A typical simulation that took 20 seocnds on my PC-XT took 15-30 minutes on the HP, and that was only in the rare instance when everything worked. During the year that these guys made their trade study, they didn't consider machines from Mentor, Daisy, or Cadnetix, which were the three leaders in the industry at the time. In fact, neither of them had even heard of those three. Now, I think they should have been fired, not paid multiple tens of K-bucks in "performance awards" for this boondoggle. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) > > >On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:44:04 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> >writes: >> "real" work. HP got into CAE in '88 when they bought Apollo, and >announced >> it was getting out in '91, leaving everyone who'd bought their >> hardware/software in the lurch. Meanwhile, Martin promoted and/or paid >> bonuses to the fools who had bought in to the previously unheard-of and >> inexperienced CAE/CAD vendor HP turned out to be. >> >> Dick > >So it *really* is true then: 'Nobody ever got fired for buying HP'. > > >Jeff > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Why pay more to get Web access? >Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

24 years, 8 months

PDP 11/23 Help

by mbg＠world.std.com

>START? DL0 worked great! Many thanks for the lended hand. Great... glad to help... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years, 8 months

Needed: VT100 card for IBM 3151

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a mint-condition (looks brand new) IBM 3151 amber terminal that I'm in need of the VT100/ANSI emulation card for, or I need to find someone who will swap me an equivalent dumb terminal that does VT100/ANSI for it... Thanks. Bill -- Bill Bradford * mrbill(a)mrbill.net / http://www.mrbill.net mrbill(a)sunhelp.org / http://www.sunhelp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows NT for mission-critical applications." -- What Yoda *meant* to say

24 years, 8 months

PDP 11/23 Help

by mfhoneycutt＠earthlink.net

START? DL0 worked great! Many thanks for the lended hand. -----Original Message----- From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 2:10 PM Subject: Re: PDP 11/23 Help > >>I just picked up a PDP 11/23 in excellent condition from an accountant >>that was going to dispose of it. It has two RL02 drives and 10 disk >>packs. My background in DEC stuff is only VMS, so I checked around and >>found some info on booting the machine, which I did successfully.. once. >>I was able to get a directory listing and type a few files. The system >>has RT-11 v4.00 with a runtime package in Dibol for general ledger, etc. >>I halted the machine and tried to restart it again, only this time it >>complains. > >Congrats on the acquisition... > >>The display I'm getting is.. >> >>TESTING MEMORY >>0124.KW >>START? Y >>000010 >>@ > >Sounds like either the boot board (if the CPU is an 11/23, it is >probably a BDV11, if an 11/23+, it has the BDV-style boot roms), or >the device interface. > >Since it is supposed to have RLs, try typing 'DL0' at the 'Start?' >prompt. If this doesn't work, then I would suspect the RLV >interface... > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | >| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years, 8 months

Assembly docs for Zenith/Heathkit Z-150 PC compatible ??

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 01:17 PM 12/13/99 -0600, Kevin L. Anderson said something like: >I have my original Zenith (ZDS) Z-150 computer, which was their >answer to the IBM 8088/86 PC. This was also offered as a kit >from Heathkit (as the H-150?) in the mid-1980s. > >My Z-150 currently won't start up, with lights stopping in the BIOS PROM >startup sequence. Does anyone have the equivalent Heathkit assembly >manual(s) and drawings for this system? Or are there similar systems >around that board swapping might be possible? Hi Kevin, I don't have technical manuals for the 150's like I do for my earlier 8-bit Heath machines (H-8 & H-89). Perhaps another listmember has one to refer to (Tony?). Chips were socketed on these machines so try carefully pressing them into their sockets in case there is an intermittent connection causing the problem. Place the board onto an antistatic bag upon a firm padded surface which will help you do this. What's the status of those lights (the LEDs on the CPU board)? Have an Operating Manual? I think I recall something about interpreting the LEDs in that book. I've got one somewhere up in the library. I've got a big heap of 150's down in the back garage which I am planning to: (A) Hammer together working systems and maybe sell for cheeeeep, (B) provide parts for folks like you, or (C) scrap that which is not desired/useable. Methinks (C) is the ultimate fate of most of the pile nowadays, (A) is somewhat folly, butcha never know ;-) Seems item (B) is just for you. Email me. I think there's at least 15 Z-150 boxen I've got -all from work when we moved up to 386/486 and later machines. Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/

24 years, 8 months

Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:44:04 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> writes: > "real" work. HP got into CAE in '88 when they bought Apollo, and announced > it was getting out in '91, leaving everyone who'd bought their > hardware/software in the lurch. Meanwhile, Martin promoted and/or paid > bonuses to the fools who had bought in to the previously unheard-of and > inexperienced CAE/CAD vendor HP turned out to be. > > Dick So it *really* is true then: 'Nobody ever got fired for buying HP'. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

24 years, 8 months

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by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>There was a lot of local interest in these machines back in about '78. = >California Digital, a sometime surplus vendor Still a reliable surplus vendor, incidentally: http://www.cadigital.com/ Perhaps the best-known NOS selection of 8" floppy drives anywhere in the world, as well as 8" media and cleaning kits. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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test-drb December 1999