test-drb December 1999

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Warehouse cleaning - location of DEC and other stuff

by Innfogra＠aol.com

The warehouse is located in Portland, Oregon, USA. We have experience in shipping anything anywhere, computer related that is. I have shipped drives, peripherals and even mainframes all over the US. We have shipped containers overseas. The US Postal Service Global Priority Mail works well for small stuff under 2 Kg and costs about $10 US. I have also shipped equipment overseas by USPS Air Mail but it is more expensive. Sorry for not including my location. Paxton Hoag

24 years, 7 months

Switch settings on a DZV11? (M3106)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone have the switch settings for the DZV11? I need to set up the CSR and interrupt vector on one. --Chuck

24 years, 7 months

Warehouse cleaning - DEC and other stuff available

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I am helping a friend clean his warehouse. Following is stuff of interest that is available for sale. I am giving the list first chance before it gets offered on epay or parted out. Since mail gets lost in the many postings on the list please reply to me at whoagiii(a)aol.com. Sun 411 SCSI-2 tape drive. Three Hitachi CDR-1750s SCSI CD-ROM in external cases. There is a pair of Micro Vax IIs. 1) BA23 rack mount DH 630 Q2 -D2 wi M7606 AF(CPU), 2X M7609 AH(8 meg ram), M3104(DHV11), M7516 and a M7546 (TK50), no hard drive. Rough condition as-is 2) BA 123 - 630 QB-A2 wi M7606 H2(CPU), M7608 B2(RAM), M9047, M7504A(DEQNA), M3104 CL(DHV11), M7555 D1(RQDX3), M7546 F1(TK50), M7651(DRV11) anda Sigma ESDI controller (RQD11 DC). I think there is a clearpoint memory card too.There are 2 RD53s and one Maxtor 4380 380 meg ESDI drive. As-is There are a pair of BA-350s with TZ 87 DLT III tape drives. One sports an "n" behind the TX 87. There are a pair of R400Xs each with a TF 85 DLT tape drive. One has 4 RF31 disk drives and the other had 3 RF31 drives. They each have a M7493 I/O card. Two KY11C console switch panels. A VXT 2000+ (VX20A-EA) Vaxstation wi 18 meg Ram and 4 meg 8 plane low res graphics. TK 50Z GA in an external case, SCSI? Infoserver 150 DEC Cards - more will show up later A005 Relays A007 M6850 Flip flop out M8265 CPU M8266 CPU M8090 ICS Controller M7228 KW11P Real time clock W7430 16 bit solid state contact If anyone is interested please contact me at whoagiii(a)aol.com

24 years, 7 months

Mini-history of '@'

by jfoust＠threedee.com

================================================================ BOB METCALFE: "From the Ether" InfoWorld.com December 14, 1999 ================================================================ OPEN-SOURCE SENDMAIL WELCOMES ITS COMMERCIAL COUSIN, SENDMAIL INC. LET'S START this week with some "open source" operating systems history. This will bring us from last week's letter of the week, lambda, to this week's, atsign (@). Then let's check on how open-source sendmail software, which uses atsign, is being leveraged by modern capitalists at Sendmail Inc. Now look, we had open-source computer operating systems in the 1970s. They included MIT's Multics, MIT's Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS), Bolt Beranek and Newman's Tenex, and AT&T's Unix. For example, we ran Tenex at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center on our two clones of Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-10 minicomputers. But when minicomputers took off in the 1980s, it wasn't Multics, ITS, Tenex, or Unix that won out by freely proliferating their sources. Modern capitalists at Digital won in minicomputers by selling binaries of their proprietary VMS operating system, developed by the same David Cutler soon to deliver binaries of Windows 2000 from Microsoft. If you're an old programmer, you probably used atsign (@) back then to indicate indirect addressing in assembly languages. You wrote @1234 to tell your computer not to use 1234 as an operand address, but rather to use the address found in location 1234. I wrote a lot of PDP-10 atsigns in my day, and so did one Ray Tomlinson, who was working with Tenex in 1970 on early versions of Internet host software. Tomlinson wrote the Tenex software that composed, delivered, and read the first Internet e-mail. He doesn't remember what the first e-mail said, but we all remember what ASCII character Tomlinson chose to separate his e-mail address from the name of the server where his mailbox was kept. He chose atsign (@). Ray@BBN meant Ray at BBN. Over the next decade, name and mail protocols changed, but atsign persisted. And one Eric Allman led the development of sendmail, to this day the Internet's primary (75 percent) mail server software. [...] MORE METCALFE For a complete archive of his InfoWorld columns visit http://www.infoworld.com/opinions/morefromtheether.html

24 years, 7 months

Qbus slot ordering?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone know if the CONFIGURE command in the VAX prom suggests slot ordering in its output? I ask because I'm trying to configure my uVAX with an additional 4 serial lines using either a DHV11 (get an extra 4) or a DZV11. In the former case no matter how I type in the devices, it organizes the DHV11 as the last thing on the bus. When I type use the DZV11 it puts it at the head of the list (even ahead of the DELQA which seems unusual) --Chuck

24 years, 7 months

8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform

by edick＠idcomm.com

If the situation with the TANDON slimlines is any hint at this I'd say it will only confuse one to look at the '801 spec to decide how to jumper an ;860. I'm milling around in the basement today, and will probably find the SHUGART spec's I have, including the jumpeing info for the ;860. It's just a matter of time. I have to find a place to put the stuff I've brought upstairs . . . <sigh> . . . so my significant other can put up holiday decorations. I was raised by the Grinch himself and will probably never learn to enjoy Christmas except (MAYBE) for the period between Dec 24 and Jan12 (Epiphany) which was, in my one-time homeland, Germany, the traditional extent of that particular celebration. I'd vote for anihilation of any person place or thing making even an oblique reference to that celebration outside the time windown in which it belongs. I'm usually holiday'ed out by the tenth of November . . . Dick -----Original Message----- From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 9:47 AM Subject: Re: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform >At 09:36 PM 12/13/99 -0800, Don Maslin wrote: >>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bob Stek wrote: >>> Dick (or anyone else) - >>> >>> Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.) >>> for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest... > ><http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/frames.html> has an online PDF >version of the Shugart 801 manual, if that might help... > >- John >

24 years, 7 months

8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform

by edick＠idcomm.com

Aside from removing one of the 8" drives from the daisy-chain, the only thing I can recommend is to look very carefully at the way in which each signal is used on the cable. My own recollection of the cabling details as applicable to 8" drives is that the Compaticard really doesn't want you to have more than one of them. That, in fact, is the reason why I owned one for ten years and didn't use it. If you look at the combination of signals used on the CompatiCard and then look at how the various drive types will interpret them, that should help you to understand how the card is selecting the "wrong" drive. As far as jumpering your drives, I'd suggest you use the most restrictive set of qualifiers that you can come up with, in order to avoid ambiguous selects. The PC software is geared to using the signals on the cable in a "strange" way due to the cute fix they (IBM) thought up for their internaly twisted cable. IIRC, the cable was twisted such that each drive will see the "motor on" signal as DS1 (based on numbering from 0) . The '860's have a "motor-on" signal as well, though it shouldn't be used as it is in the PC-style environment. The drives need to be set up such that their activity LED only comes on when the drive is selected AND ready. That way, you will have an external indicator that the READY signal is valid on the cable. The PC doesn't use this as a ready, since some mini-drives don't generate it correctly, but it may help you to see what's actually going on. I don't suggest that you change the jumpering on the 5-1/4 or 3-1/2" drives because they tend to vary too much. If they work, that's enough to contend with for now. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stek <bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 4:28 AM Subject: RE: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform >-----Original Message----- >From: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu >[mailto:CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Don Maslin >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:37 AM >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >Subject: Re: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform > >Bob, UniForm will only permit you to identify/select a single copy of >each type drive - that is 350k, 1.2mb, 3.5" (either 720k or 1.44mb) and >8". I assume that you used Uinstall to make that identification. About >the only way that I can think of that you could slip in a second 8" >drive would be to identify it as a 1.2mb drive - assuming that you do >not have one. > >I might note that 22Disk will permit you to use both 8" drives. > > - don > >The problem isn't that I want two CP/M drives. It is that I can't access >even one! The Compaticard seems to have no problem attaching the two 8"-ers >as MS-DOS drives; I can access them as drives D: and E: just fine. When I >run Uniform and choose an 8" CP/M format, it tells me that drive F: is now >my CP/M drive. If I then do a DIR of F:, my drive B: activity light comes >on and gives me an error message. Even though I have the Compaticard >jumpered as the quartiary controller (I/O ports 3e0-3e7) Uniform accesses >drive #2 on the primary controller as drive F: > >I suppose that I can disable the second 8" drive and see what happens. I >will try 22disk as well (although that's only to be pragmatic - I want to >know why the @#%$@#^& thing is acting the way it does!) > > >Bob Stek >bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com >Saver of Lost SOLs >

24 years, 7 months

Osborne Vixen Hard Drive (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Anyone interested reply direct to originator, please. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:39:14 -0600 From: kathy sbell <robkathy1(a)juno.com> To: donm(a)cts.com Subject: Osborne Vixen Hard Drive Anyone interested in a Trantor Westwind Hard Disk made exclusively for the Osborne Vixen CP/M computer??? Plus lots of CP/M software available! Will take best offer! e-mail today to robkathy1(a)juno.com. -Robert ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

24 years, 7 months

Info on Canadian S-100 Computer

by donm＠cts.com

I have an inquiry from a chap who purchased an Exceltronics S-100 kit, a Canadian make, in about 1982. He still has the machine and would like to resurrect it, but has lost the system disk over the years. Does anyone have any information on this critter or, better yet, a system disk for it? Thanks. - don

24 years, 7 months

Comparison of system specs. - how far have we developed?

by jhfine＠idirect.com

>Drew Amery wrote: > I had to reboot my 11/73 RT-11 system yesterday due to a brown out. > While it was booting I starting enter some appointments in my PalmV > and realized that I what I had in my hand had more memory, 2Meg > for the Palm compared to 256K for the DEC, and probably more > processing power. Just for fun, has or would someone compare > the processing powers of the Palm vs the DEC 11/23 thru 93 series. > > Challenge/Joke: > If you really want to impress your fellow pdp users and have absolutely > nothing > to do this holiday season, I challenge someone to port RT-11 to the Palm > handhelds. Jerome Fine replies: Which OS runs on the Palm handhelds? Possibly W95/W98 or even the old DOS/Win 3.1? I will take the challenge in that case. Care to bet how long it will take? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

24 years, 7 months

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