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Shipping old heavy stuff

by Innfogra＠aol.com

UPS Hundredweight is a cheaper way of shipping 100 pound + packages. UPS will also ship up to 150 pounds I believe. Packaging is very important in shipping. There should be little open space. I use large bubble wrap and buy it in bulk at a packaging supply wholesaler. Anything that could be shaken apart should be taken apart and wrapped separately. For heavy items use at least two layers of large bubble wrap. The box is important also. Most boxes have weight ratings, often printed on them. For loads over 100 pounds usually you should use a double weight box with two layers of cardboard. Use good tape. If you have a Federal Express account they will ship pallet weight loads in their economy rates. Contact them. Heavier loads often get strapped to a pallet. I recommend wrapping the item in many layers of cardboard and then use stretch wrap to contain the package, including the top. If the item is on wheels block it up with wood so the load is off the wheels. Use a good strapping machine. The bands need to be tight. Consider support in all three dimensions. In strapping to a pallet consider where the forks go. You don't want the forks of the forklift cutting the straps. Check the business around you. If they do regular freight shipments they might have a significant discount with an LTL shipper. I used to ship with a place that sold bearings. They had a 50% discount. This can make it affordable. If you have several full height cabinets call freight forwarders for partial truck loads. This is sold by a combination of floor space and weight. You may not need to palletize the cabinets. If you have a valuable item it can be shipped in an air ride trailer. I have shipped several older disk drives and some fab equipment by this method. We just rolled it on, they threw a blanket over it and tied it to the wall. This was the easiest for me and the costliest for the buyer. However it got through with no problems. Good luck Paxton PS If you have specific questions about specific equipment contact me off the list.

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by KFergason＠aol.com

What, you didn't get the cookie? It was good! hmmm, cookies..... (best homer voice) In a message dated 11/4/99 5:10:23 PM Central Standard Time, healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > OK, someone mind explaining what the **** this was about? > > Zane >

25 years, 1 month

Mitsubishi MP286L

by rberryman＠lucent.com

I saw your question about getting into the set up of the MP286L and have a similar problem, did you ever get an answer as to how to get into the setup? I picked up one for $5 at a garage sell and the internal battery is dead so the setting didn't save. It boots from the floppy and I want to check the hard drive before I spend any money replacing the CPU battery, any help would appreciated. Richard N. Berryman RTS III rberryman(a)lucent.com 1111 Freeport Parkway Cube 2E-370-F Coppell, Texas 75019 Direct # (972) 745-5699 Pager # (800) 401-3011 TampaBay Ext # 74558

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Wanted: PDP-11 in Texas

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I'm in Austin, willing to drive most anywhere in Texas (well, within a 4-5 hour radius, which normally gets me over the Oklahoma border), and looking for a PDP-11. Preferrably something I can rackmount, but I'll consider MicroPDP- based boxes as well. I'd like to purchase the machine, or trade if the other party is interested in either a pair of RS/6000 workstations (POWERserver 530s) or some older Sun VME gear. Thanks! -- Bill Bradford * mrbill(a)mrbill.net / http://www.mrbill.net mrbill(a)sunhelp.org / http://www.sunhelp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown

25 years, 1 month

Shipping old heavy stuff

by danburrows＠mindspring.com

I made arrangements with a national trucking company. If you get set up with a business account (takes several days) you can get 50+% off the normal tariff rates. Dan -----Original Message----- From: George Currie <g(a)kurico.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:46 PM Subject: Shipping old heavy stuff What shipping methods do people prefer for shipping larger (say > 100lbs, large deskside, small mini type) systems. If you send it through ups are you just guaranteeing it'll get banged up? What alternative, relatively inexpensive methods are available? George

25 years, 1 month

Finally got a "straight" DF32 yesterday - bandwidth saver - many messages inside

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Green <mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Finally got a "straight" DF32 yesterday - bandwidth saver - many messages inside >> >> One other thing.... you mentioned you wanted to add more memory to one of >> your straight 8s. I have two studies done by the McMaster University on >> building core memory expanders for the 8,8/s using straight 8 memory (8/s,8 >> used the same kinds) and some flip chips. You might want to kill one of your >> straight 8s for the memory and ebay/keep the rest of it. I am picking up at >> least one straight-8 over the next 3 weeks and if I end up with two (looks >> that way) I have the one sold (have to quickly restore it first) and the >> other I will butcher for memory for my 8/s. A straight-8 still isn't worth >> as much whole as it is in parts.. Ugh.. You might want to think about doing >> that as it is nice to keep the same boards/technology in a transistor >> computer like that. >> > >I remember that particular 8s from when I was an undergraduate. I >did my undergraduate degree at McMaster, at a time when they were >still running PDP 8 machines. That probably ages me :-). At one >point it was a server for a group of DG Novas (I think the >original ones). > I actually bought the Nova network that was there too! I have the Nova 2, Nova 3 with the Nova-PDP 8/S link, Ken-Net and all the original software and docs. The Nova 2 has a graphics interface and IC tester, Kennedy 9800, and a diablo 42. The first memory expansion study was called "8K Interface for PDP-8S with memory protect (A study in frustration)", by John Elton McFee, 1966. BTW I wasn't BORN yet... doesn't that age me! To give you an idea.. Focal 1969 outdates me! john > >-- >Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca >Professor (780) 492-4584 >Director, Research Institute for Multimedia Systems (RIMS) >Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX) >University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada >

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Finally got a "straight" DF32 yesterday - bandwidth saver - many messages inside

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Finally got a "straight" DF32 yesterday - bandwidth saver - many messages inside > > >--- Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: >> >More Paper tape software - A lot of old DECUS stuff for the 8/s (old dice >> >game, 5,5/8,8), etc.. Two trays of Disk Monitor and PAL III-D. I STILL NEED >> >MANY MORE PAPER TAPE TRAYS! >> >> I have two trays, blue things with a clear top and 8 sections about 1x1 >> inch, 4 or 5 of said sections complete with papertape still in them. $1 & >> postage to the first who wants them. > >Ooh... ooh... I'm interested (if you don't want to ship them to Canada). >What's on the paper tape? I'm about to have a serial papertape reader >hooked up to my Linux box (DEC PR/S01) as soon as I can borrow my friend's >20mA<->RS-232 adapter. > If the paper tapes have anything PDP 8 on them I can send you a copy. I have the PDP-8/S already hooked up to my PC (positive level converters ;-) ) One other thing.... you mentioned you wanted to add more memory to one of your straight 8s. I have two studies done by the McMaster University on building core memory expanders for the 8,8/s using straight 8 memory (8/s,8 used the same kinds) and some flip chips. You might want to kill one of your straight 8s for the memory and ebay/keep the rest of it. I am picking up at least one straight-8 over the next 3 weeks and if I end up with two (looks that way) I have the one sold (have to quickly restore it first) and the other I will butcher for memory for my 8/s. A straight-8 still isn't worth as much whole as it is in parts.. Ugh.. You might want to think about doing that as it is nice to keep the same boards/technology in a transistor computer like that. john john >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

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Fwd: Finally got a "straight" DF32 yesterday

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > Looks like the PDP 8/S will be running a lot more than FOCAL in the near > future. Cool. > Yesterday in our snow storm I picked up: > > DF32 with docs and "Disk Monitor" paper tapes. This is the first series > DF32s with the "R" series modules and no "8I switch". What's the -8/I switch? I have several DF-32's. All well used and not necessarily working (I have played with them but never really tried to use them for storage - the rotation sensor has been verified on at least one drive, but that's about it). One set came with the straight -8s, another set came with the -8/I. If you get this working, I'd love to get a copy of the tapes - I have an -8/I that may someday have 8K on it (if I sacrifice an -8/L by stealing its core; I have N machines that use them and (including the second field on the -8/I), N-2 core stacks) I'm thinking of wiring up some CMOS static RAM on the pins of an -8/L for its 4K and migrating the core to the -8/I). I could use the slot between the planes on the core stack for workspace It's unpopulated. > This unit was wrapped in plastic > and was used as a spare - it looks like it was used very little. I also got > a new spare disk for it if I need it. You know that the heads crash everytime you power it off, yes? They are the kind of disks you power up and leave on forever. In the real world, when the osmium coating wore too thin to record data, DEC FS flipped the disk once and reformatted. > But... the DF32 needs 13 I/O cables to > connect to the 8/s. Anyone still selling these kinds of things? I do not know *who* would have that sort of thing. I have one set per master drive. No spares. Sorry. > H901 Flip Chip Patch Panels - These are really sweet. You basically plug the > flip chips in the back and use banana plugs in the front. Also, (I didn't > know this at the time) hundreds of those "plastic" cards for the front of > the H901 to make it easy to wire circuits. Is this the original DEC logic experimenter's board? There were two produced: one for DTL, one for TTL. I got a classroom book for the TTL version when I was in grade school. I did many of the exercises on paper since I didn't have the hardware to try stuff out on. > I am building a quick testing station with the H901s with the 8/s so I can > quickly fix these Flip Chips so I can provide a list on my website for > anyone who needs one. I'd love to see pictures. > I will update the webpage over the next few weeks to catalog the parts and > software I have to help others with their old transistor computers. Perhaps in a couple of months, I'll dig down through the pile far enough to begin to recondition the cleaner of my Straight-8s. The dirty one was apparently from a newspaper and coated in ink. It has a PA-60 which is, I think, some kind of typesetter's interface. > Updates to members here (trying to save bandwidth) > > Chuck: I am going to storage this weekend. I will look for the RK8E cables > for you. I don't need them as I don't like any "IC" PDP-8.. well, maybe an > 8I. You have maybe an extra RK8E that you aren't going to use? All I have for hard disk on ONMIBUS is RL01/RL8A sets. I've never had any RK stuff for the -8. I do have this 16-sector RK05F pack (and no 16-sector RK05J packs, only 12 sectors) that I'd love to read, but we've been over this on the list before. At this point, I'd probably have to hack one of my RK05J drives and replace the heads, realign it to match the pack, back it up, etc., etc. I've always wondered what's on it. I've had it since 1984 and never owned the gear to read it. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

25 years, 1 month

New to the list & other Stuff....

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:23 AM, Benjamin Gardiner [SMTP:cvisors@CarnageVisors.net] wrote: > Hi all, > I have been lurking on this list for the last few days, and I thought I > will introduce myself... > Well I'm 25 or so ,living in australia, and I have aquired a number of > DEC MicroVAX IIs. > one of which is missing enough cards to render it useless...(oh well > such is life.. > I am slowly trying to get at least one of these machines working, and I > hope to have one of them working soon. What I was wondering, is I have a > lot of cards for these machines, and was wondering if anyone would be > able to help me identify them and tell me what would be the best way to > order them in the Q-bus, and help me with setting the adresses on the > cards which nees such settings. > I realy want to get one of these old beasts going, and hopefully get > netBSD running on them. > > Thanks > Benjamin Gardiner Hi Benamin, Well you've found the right place for info on these machines. I don't collect VAXs but, many of the list members do. I think you'll find everyone most cooperative in sharing their knowledge of these things. If you have any specific questions, just ask... Later, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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test-drb November 1999