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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: Brian Phillips <bphillip(a)venus.treco.net>
Subject: Two Primes must go
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:02:39 -0500
This is my second posting. I posted this information a few weeks/months
ago but now the machine is downed and waiting for pickup.
System #1
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Hardware:
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1 6650
2 770MB disks
1 820MB disk
1 1.3GB disk (SCSI)
3 LACs (ICS3, 64 port capacity each)
192 CLACS (serial, 9-pin male)
2 URC dataproducts printer interfaces
1 SCSI-II controller
1 10GB 8mm Helical tape . . . . . . . . . (MAYBE)
1 Telex Tri-density 9-track tape
1 LHC (LAN Host Controller (TCP/IP))
1 PT250 console terminal
Software:
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Primos r23.2
Information v8.2-23.2.0
TCP/IP v2.4r22 supports telnet, ftp, smtp
(and Primenet,RJE,EMACS,PNX,Talk to name a few)
System #2
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Hardware:
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1 2450
1 LAC (ICS3)
24 CLACS (serial, 9-pin male)
1 120MB disk
1 256MB disk
1 60MB cartridge tape
Software:
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Primos r22 (?)
Information v8 (?)
Primenet
Any takers?
Brian Phillips
Treasure Coast Internet, Inc. (http://www.treco.net)
759 S. Federal Hwy. Suite 316, Stuart, FL 34994
(561)286.6998 FAX: (561)286.7089 Modem: (561)286.2880
Ft Pierce 879.6177 Ft Pierce Modem: (561)879.9939
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>> For programming, I would recommend BASIC, TO START WITH, followed by an
>> introduction to C and assembly as soon as basic principles are
>>understood.
>
>I don't see anything wrong with BASIC as a useable language for kids. I
>don't know why people are so down on it. Ok, so it doesn't have
>functions, and no, I wouldn't try to build a career out of it. I don't
>think throwing C and assembler at a kid "as soon as the basic principles
>are understood" would be necessarily productive. Let them have BASIC
>until its apparent they've outgrown it, then let them explore other
>options (but please keep them away from COBOL and Pascal :)
>
>Sellam Alternate e-mail:dastar@siconic.com
Why not Forth? Simple, interactive and gives immediate feedback. It also
has "high level" constructs, no GOTO, but is "low level" at the same time.
My six year old son loves it. The RPN style didn't bother him a bit (why
would it when he knew of nothing else?)
Ron Kneusel
rkneusel(a)mcw.edu
Alex Knight[SMTP:aknight@mindspring.com] reports:
>One of my more interesting acquisitions along the way of looking
>for early-model calculators has been a nearly-complete set of
>Scientific American magazines from 1965-1978. In the 1960's
Good collection. All that Martin Gardner and Dr. Matrix,
Conway's 'Life'...waaaaa
So do you have the Sept. '74 issue in which the Amateur
Scientist, IIRC, taught us how to breadboard 74xx logic gates
- so then one could build a machine to solve 'truth tables'
as in Irving Copi's "Symbolic Logic"?
What fun they were. Karnaugh maps were just ahead.
Chuck
cswiger(a)widomaker.com
At 10:00 PM 1/12/99 -0800, Sam Ismail wrote:
>
>Gee, I wish I was your daughter. My dad's idea of cirriculum was:
> Raking Leaves Rake
> Mowing Lawns Lawnmower
[...]
>I had to learn everything else on my own :)
No personal aspersion on Chuck's plan, but in both Sam's dad and
many other parents I've seen, the curriculum (in general, not just
computer-centric) seems to be driven by the parent's interests
and perhaps the child's own natural interests are forgotten.
My three-year-old likes to doodle on my Pilot and PC, but
something inside me wants to let him be a kid for a while,
as opposed to pushing him to become the latest "youngest
NT certified engineer." When I furnished him with an old Mac SE
with a kid-paint program, he enjoyed it, but after a while he
removed the mouse and used it to lasso his fire truck until the
magic smoke left the mouse. Yes, there's a 100bT port in his
bedroom, and a T-1 to the house, but I haven't told him about
that yet. It's scary how the words "e-mail" and "dot com"
worked there way into his vocabulary, though.
I flinch when I see how computers are used in schools. I help
the local school board with some technological issues, and recently
took a tour of the new network wiring at the high school. They've
got fiber to the closets, DS-3 feeding the place, video distribution,
it goes on and on. "What's it going to be used for," I asked
the director. "Well, it might be ten years before we get the budget
to refurbish, so we thought we'd ask for as much as possible, and
we'll let the teachers figure out how to use it."
Meanwhile, the teacher's union is requesting funding for substitutes
so that teachers can take mornings and afternoons away from their
classrooms in order to attend seminars to learn how to use the marginal
Win95 machines they have now. Meaning, of course, that they don't know
how to use what was installed from the last round of funding.
The only use of the Net I saw on the tour was five kids in the library,
surfing sites about their favorite bands. Surprisingly, the "porn filter"
consisted of keeping the monitors in sight of the librarian's desk.
Of course, we all know the Web is peer-reviewed and scholastically
approved, so any material you find there is OK to cut-and-paste into
a book report.
- John
"Mike" <dogas(a)leading.net> wrote:
>an MSCP disk ??? This was a cardkey application for a rather large site
>so mayhap the app did this...
The problem is that we need to know a little more of the system
configuration first... do you know exactly what the system has?
If you know it has MSCP disks, then we need to know how they have
the partitions setup.
>>What you may want to suggest to him is to
>>
>> 1) Delete all sensitive files from all disk partitions
>
>how? DELETE myfile??
Yep... standard DCL (Digital Command Language), not something
obscure like 'rm' (Sorry... couldn't resist :-)
>>Not counting the documentation which can be purchased for it...
>
>really? where? sign me up. ;)
As someone else has already mentioned, a Doc set is something like
US$1300+... I doubt hobbyists will run out and buy it... that's
why the best you can probably hope for is someone who can let you
1) borrow, 2) have, or 3) copy select pages/manuals of their doc
set.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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Was anyone aware that in 1984 North Star Computers introduced the North
Star Dimension, a DOS-compatible "workstation"?
Seems to have been a typical IBM PC XT clone.
North Star's last foray into computers before they folded altogether no
doubt.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Not in the same league, but I noted to the seller of an Altair 8800b currently on eBay that, despite the item description's statement to the contrary, $3000 was NOT a low starting price. He begged to differ, stating that these things are going for over $6000 now.
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From: Kirk Davis <kbd(a)ndx.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: Seriously *bad* ebay auction...
Hey, don't forget that $100 Atari Belt buckle (only one at
that price!!!) :-)
Can someone please get in touch with this guy? He asks a most
interesting question.
Thanks! Attachment follows.
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From: "Bill Mohler" <bill(a)cs.oberlin.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.misc
Subject: Help: Paper tape reader to PC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:51:55 -0500
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Greetings,
Any advice on how to attach a paper tape reader to an IBM compatible
computer? How about making the PC emulate a tape reader?
Sounds crazy, but we run some software from paper tape...would be easier
if
it were on disk.
Thanks!
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Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com
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At 01:31 PM 1/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>> > Or an entire digital computer out of ropes and pulleys?
>>
>Gag? Mechanical computers are serious stuff, Hans. Like Danny Hillis'
>tinker-toy tic-tic-toe machine:
See also:
http://moose.spesh.com/lego/http://weirdrichard.com/machine.htm
There was another one, but I can't seem to find the page now.
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