This is not sure-fire, but I've found that if the big label on the back does
NOT have the notice "contains copyrighted code..." that it's most likely an
original version.
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Spence [mailto:ds_spenc@alcor.concordia.ca]
Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 2:01 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Way to identify original IBM-PC?
Hi,
I was wondering if there's a surefire way of telling if an IBM-PC has its
original motherboard, without opening the case. I saw one at the
Salvation Army today and was considering dragging it home (though I
decided to take another machine instead).
The machine did have a cassette port in the back, with a femal DIN
connector. Is this attached to the motherboard?
The machine also had a full complement of cards in its slots, with lots of
ports coming out of it. And a 3.5" drive that was poorly fitted into the
case.
I'm wondering if I should make a trip downtown sometime this weekend, with
the car.
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/
At 02:51 AM 6/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> For Sale:
>>
>> IMSAI 8080 Microcomputer
>[...]
>> Asking price: $300
>
>After a round of email bidding, the seller sez:
>> IT SOLD FOR $1000. THAMKS FOR THE RESPONSE.
>
>Somebody recently suggested that it would be better to offer stuff
>directly to readers of this list rather than advertising them via online
>auction. The last IMSAI that sold on eBay went for around $650, I think.
>
>FWIW,
>Doug (still IMSAI-less)
Well... while it may not improve the price, it may improve the audience...
B^}
While trying to NOT reignite another flame war (which I probably contribute
to), the qualifier on this idea might be that when you post something, post
it with an acceptable price. IMHO that should not be a difficult
proposition for someone who is looking for a good home for a piece of
equipment. If you are just going to relocate an auction, then you are
probably only in it for the money! (boy, am I gonna get yelled at for THAT
one)
What really scrapes my oxide is an approach that I am starting to see more
often in postings in and newsgroups. (it has happened to me twice now in
the last month)
Someone posts an item with an asking price. I respond to the message with
a counter offer. The seller responds with a counter-counter offer that I
find acceptable. I respond to the message with my acceptance and provide
shipping details. The seller then responded back indicating that he has
received a higher offer and that the unit has been sold without so much as
an opportunity for further response.
Now, maybe it is just me... But from my view when responded with a counter
to my offer, we were in the midst of transacting a deal and I should have
'right of first refusal' until the point that either we make the deal or I
decide I don't want it.
I don't appreciate multi-thread dealing going on without being informed.
And it was not like there were any extended delays between these messages.
The entire series of exchanges occurred over less than 24 hours. Very
similar for the second occurrance I mentioned above...
BTW: a HERO-2000 auction just closed on eBay for $4027.78... (sheesh!)
-jim (the obviously overly idealistic one...)
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>>> Hint: Windows98 is Windows95 with the '5' replaced with an '8'.
>> It should be only a minor correction - just adding a 2^1 bit to
>> get Win97, but due a litte mathematical problem they realy inverted
>> the lower nibble before inverting the 2^1 .... :)
> Am I missing something?
Ya
> 95 = 1011111
> 98 = 1100010
95 = 00111001 00110101 (ASCII) or 10010101 (BCD)
98 = 00111001 00111000 (ASCII)or 10011000 (BCD)
Or do you realy belive they have changed any code beside this byte ?
>> The rest is history:)
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
Hi
Yes a reality, and a nic name I got from some friends.
I don't remember the key stroke to open a new file or to save to disk, but
it had some thing to do whith function key 3 or 4 I think remember it's been
a while, after the function key a letter I am not sure whitch letter opened
a new fiel whith a prompt for a file name: you typed in the file name
pressed enter and you wore in the word prosessor, and could type what ever
in.
I used it mostly to write messages on from calls ect, I would leave it on
all day, and get some help later on some one would read it back to me so I
could braille it out.
The drive was ten MB and had Wang dos on it and the word prosser was also
on it.
The monotor was a Wang monotor, I don't know if they are still available.
This Wang I had was baught at a flee market, a fellow had 20 or 30 of them
he was selling complete for $25 about ten years ago.
A friend saw it and snagged one for me he knew I was interested in
computers, and thought it would make a interesting birthday present for me.
I sold it eventually because I couldn't het a sinthasiser that would work
in the card slots, they worent ISA or any thing like that, not sure what
they wore.
Pete
Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered
Hi Ethan and all,
At 01:44 AM 7/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Yo,
>
> Z80 Starter Kit
> SDS SD Systems
> (C) 1978 MICRO DESIGN CONCEPTS
>
>It packs a Z80 w/PIO and CTC, 8 socketed 2101L RAMs (and room for 8 more!),
>a prototyping area (with labeled address and data bits right there), and two
>(unpopulated) S-100 slots (with pads for -/+16V and +8V) In addition, there's
>jacks for a cassette tape drive (and buttons labelled "cass load" and "cass
>dump"), and below the ROM socket (w/masked programmed ROM "Z-BUG"), a toggle
>switch ("PGM"/"READ") and a 24-pin DIP socket marked "PRO PROGRAMMER".
>
>With all that, I still have questions:
>
> o Is there any info on this? It looks much like a SYM-1 or Elf
> of the day, but with a Z-80.
>
> o What ROMs might it program? 1702? (unlikely because of a lack of
> odd power supply voltages) 2708? There is a pad at one edge of
> the board that snakes over to the PGM/READ button, marked +25V.
> I simply do not know which particular 1978 ROMs used that particular
> programming voltage.
>
> o Why might I have heard of "Z-BUG"? Was it a famous monitor program
> for the Z-80 boards of the late 70's?
>
> o If I can't find a good use for this, does anyone want to make me
> an offer for it? I promise that I won't just go out and post it
> on E-overpay.
>
>Thanks for any hints. I'd love to learn more about the history of this
>thing. I just got it because it was a) affordable, b) a 1970's SBC, and
>c) it has a place to add cards and my own circuits, should I decide that's
>worth the effort. I could always wire on a 6164 RAM and a SCSI chip, but
>then what would I do?
>
>-ethan
>
If you don't find a use for it, I'd be interested. I remember some ads from
SD Sales in old issues of BYTES's, but the single board Z-80 computer didn't
have any S-100 connectors, etc, IIRC.
I enjoy and would like to
a) figure out the monitor code
b) find out what EPROM it would program. If the circuit is simple, it
probably is for a 2716. What size EPROM is the "Z-BUG" in?
c) Find out if it can use or test various S-100 boards, depending on what
signals are provided. Would be an upgrade for my simple S-100 tester.
Thanks,
-Dave
Hello,
At 03:09 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Howdy, all,
>
>I'm in sunny Glendale for the weekend, staying with a friend, and would love
>to take the opportunity to scour the area for goodies. Any suggestions? I'd
>rather take a planned approach than wander around the valley, looking for
>Goodwills. I realize that the Bay Areais better pickings than Los Angeles,
>but here is where I am.
>
There is C and H on Cororado Blvd. in Pasadena, but don't know if they have
anything. There is also ECSC in Gardena, if you want to go that far. Their
web site is www.eio.com
The best bets seem to be the Ham radio swap meets, (not the commercial
computer shows). The only one I know of on July 4 is in Santee, near San
Diego. I enjoy the TRW meet the last Saturday of every month. I don't know
if there are any gemeral or antique swap meets this weekend. Once per month
there is one in the Rose Bowl.
Wish I knew other places.
I plan to visit the San Jose area in a few weeks, are there any suggestions
for looking there? I know of Haltek in Mountain View and Halted + Weird
Stuff in Santa Clara.
-Dave
> Subject: NEW 8" Disks Available for sale
> To: classicmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
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>
> Greetings, I have been watching the traffic about 8" disks while recovering
> from an ugly bit of doctoring, (2 months plus under care..sigh) and being
> without insurance, I feel its time to sell some stuff...
>
> I have NEW 8" disks still in the original Boxes Both Single and Double
> sided.
> Either Memorex for the Single or Intel Brand (at least its their Label) for
> the Double sided. I was going to put them on the Auction net but wanted to
> give the list a shot first.
>
> Figure $5 a box and we will negotiate on the shipping.
> Its the original Hard Cardbox for the disks so there is a little weight
> there.
>
> I have also 3 different of DYSAN alignment disks, but let me get to the
> storage unit to be precise on the descriptions.
>
> Like I say at the swap meets, the more you buy the cheaper they get. and if
> you do not like my prices tell me I will change them.
>
> I got a LOT of Disks,,gotta pay for the storage unit and I been off work for
> 2 months...
> Let me know..
>
> thanks
>
> Bill
> shipping from Portland, or
>
> --VAA20658.899441345/smtp2.teleport.com--
>
Hi Doug,
why that? It is at least a nice X-terminal ....
cheers,
emanuel
----------
> From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: DECStation 3100 available
> Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:25 PM
>
> On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, emanuel stiebler wrote:
>
> > THIS IS A VAXSTATION, NOT A DECSTATION.
>
> If anybody was disappointed, and really wants a DECStation 3100
> (MIPS-based unix box), I've got one that is free as long as you pick it
up
> from Santa Clara, Ca.
>
> -- Doug
> Didn't AOL get its start by being bundled with PC-GEOS?
>Before it was known as Applelink it was called "Samuel" and worked with
>the apple ][ as well.
>Q-Link or Quantum link came first for the C64 and then was expanded
>to include the Apple II.
Once upon a time in the early 80's a man named
Bill von Meister started a company called Control
Video Corporation. (Bill von Meister had been one
of the founders of The Source which was bought by
Readers Digest) CVC started a service for Atari
2600 users called GameLine. Users would plug a
large modem cartridge into their 2600 and could
download a game and play it until they turned
their 2600 off. This service was kill by the Video
game crash of '83.
Next they developed proprietary modems for the
C64 and the Apple II and started a service called
MasterLine. Same thing, you could download and
try software before buying it. This is when I
started with CVC (about the end of 1983 I think)
MasterLine lasted 3 months.
Next they acquired the software from a small
on-line service called Playnet and in 6 months
launched QuantumLink (Q-Link for short). At
some point in here they also changed their
name to Quantum Computer Services. Q-Link was
a C64 only service.
About 1987 they started AppleLink: Personal
Edition (not to be confused with Apple's tech
support service AppleLink) for Apple II, and
IIgs. And about the same time they also started
PCLink running under Tandy's DeskMate GUI.
This is also the point where I left the company
and moved to California. In California I ported
Q-Link's Rabbit Jack's Casino Games to run on
AppleLink but other than that I lost track of
the company. I believe they changed their name
and the service's name to America On Line in 1989.
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
> Once upon a time in the early 80's a man named
>Bill von Meister started a company called Control
>Video Corporation. (Bill von Meister had been one
>of the founders of The Source which was bought by
>Readers Digest)
What ever happened to The Source? When did they shut down and why?
> CVC started a service for Atari
>2600 users called GameLine. Users would plug a
>large modem cartridge into their 2600 and could
>download a game and play it until they turned
>their 2600 off. This service was kill by the Video
>game crash of '83.
Video game crash of '83? Would you please explain?
Thanks,
Tom
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