test-drb July 1998

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off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by peacock＠simconv.com

On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main > reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the > legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these. I guess you have to grow up with the right mindset. True, the system is bizarre, but sometimes it can work in your favor too, if you can get a better shyster^h^h^h^h^h lawyer. And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight, or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas). Jack Peacock

26 years, 5 months

off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by Marty＠itgonline.com

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 7/22/98 5:15 PM Jack Peacock wrote: >And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always >alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight, >or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your >local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all >time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas). > Jack Peacock As my friend, Vinnie, once told me many years ago, "Legbreakers are cheaper than lawyers, and often more effective". The other piece of advice he gave me was, "Never antagonize guys whose middle name is 'The'. R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Jul22.171540.1767.52764; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:15:41 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id NAA26318; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:47 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id NAA39878 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:44 -0700 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA25548 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:43 -0700 Received: from [205.134.227.91] (ppp-asfm04--192.sirius.net [205.134.240.192]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id NAA11730 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <v03007802b1dc0c503522(a)[205.134.227.91]> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:40:48 -0800 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rax <rax(a)warbaby.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq In-Reply-To: <41F0302DCC1BD011AF6100AA00B845A816C4E2(a)mail.simconv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rax(a)pop.sirius.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

26 years, 5 months

off topic: rediculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>> Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off. >>> Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses. [rest of story snipped - you've all seen it several times!] > I have to throw in my 2 cents worth. You read about this stuff but you > wonder if it really happens. IT DOES! A member of my family was one of > the defendents in a trial very similar to this. The thing about that trial > that amazed me was the facts that were keep FROM the jury. The behind the > scenes rangling to suppress evidence was incredible. It's no wonder > lawyers get such huge settlements considering how the jurys are > manipulated and spoon feed only what the lawyers want them to hear. What price the oath to tell "the whole truth"? (In danger of getting seriously off topic here!) If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these. It is marginally (but only marginally) better over here - European harmonisation is making it worse, as did the Margaret Thatcher premiership... Philip.

26 years, 5 months

classic computer list??

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Lawrence Walker wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Wayne Cox wrote: > > > Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer > > > Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an > > > individual. > > > > This is THE place 8-) Hope you got subscribed ok - if not - try again. > > ... > > Name: Classic Computer Rescue List > > URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html > > (Collectors by areas) > > Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page > > URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/ > > (Darn near dead - no input for about 6 months...) > > Name: Classic Computer ListOp > > URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/ > > (Hmmmm... Bill - ya want to move this to a working system?) > > > > And don't forget Bill Yakowenko's classiccmp distributed Web-page archives at > > http://www .cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp Uh, I took that down due to zero participation. A distributed anything with only one node is a truly pitiful sight. There is still a web page there, but now it's just my own little corner of the web - no more grand schemes. Bill.

26 years, 5 months

QIC-36/QIC-02

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com> wrote: > DC600 carts are the _physical_ media on which data is stored. I wasn't > saying DC600 is a format nor was QICxx a format HP uses (never knew what > protocol HP used 'til you mentioned HCD a bit later in yr msg.) Yes, the physical carts seem to be the same -- it's easy enough to scribble over the HCD formatting with a QIC format, at which point the tape is no longer usable in an HCD drive. So far as I know the HCD formatting must be written at the factory, and the tapes I've seen have had either HP or 3M labels on them. HP also seems to put down its own higher-level format on the tapes that it sells. Here's a story: Once upon a time the purchasing agent found she could save a few bucks ordering the 3M flavor of the tapes, and so we got one for testing. Well...on the 3000, the software for manipulating these things treats them as serial discs (which is exactly as wacky as it sounds, the tape drive is a CS/80 device and so the tapes are addressed by block), and so you're supposed to use the VINIT tool to format the "disc" and "serialize" it (i.e. write a volume label that says "this is a serial disc" for auto-volume recognition to read later). So what I noticed in my tests was that the 3M tape, when new, took 15 minutes for the FORMAT step, vs. the HP tapes which took seconds. I suspect that the time was taken by the tape drive formatting the tape and writing out the canonical CS/80 stuff like bad-block sparing tables and so forth, and that HP does this at their factory. -Frank McConnell

26 years, 5 months

Idiots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Fine, fine, if you insist...in ' The Soul of a New Machine', it is mentioned that IBM in the late '70s was in court almost continuously. What was the bulk of this about? > >How about classic computers? > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 07/21/98] > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 5 months

Idiots

by franke＠sbs.de

> Thread getting old now...how about talking about abortion, politics, or > environmental issues? Or maybe ice fishing. Cripes... Cripes ????? H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

26 years, 5 months

Idiots

by franke＠sbs.de

> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK > and other countries as the US? No, at least in Germany most of these laughable cases are rejectet from court. But we like to laugh about the US system. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

26 years, 5 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by franke＠sbs.de

> Hans Franke wrote: >> b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone >> in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue) >> exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor. > Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor? Sorry German tech talk - a/b are the 'names' of the two wires for two wire (analogue) telephone connections - and an a/b-adaptor is just a ISDN <-> analogue converter - so you van connect old phones (dtmf and pulse) to ISDN lines. > I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to > make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to > type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? > Suggestions? SHIFT-ALT-CTRL-1 ? Grin(s) H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

26 years, 5 months

Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Hans Franke wrote: > b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone > in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue) > exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor. Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor? I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? Suggestions? Philip.

26 years, 5 months

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