test-drb June 1998

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by akcampb＠ibm.net

Hello, I picked up a box with this Sun OS on 8 tapes. 3.5 domestic sunbin 68020 (boot format). 5 tapes 1.1 SunIPC-M sunbin 68010 (tar) 1.1 SunIPC-M sunbin 68020 (tar) SCSI3 PATCH SUNBIN 68020 (tar)--hand written on box "Do Not Install Patch with V. 3.5." At present I can not use these tapes and do not know if they work. I would *love* to score some cards for this MicroVax II (630QB-A2) that had all the cards removed before I could get to it. Perhaps someone would like to trade parts and/or knowledge for software? The tapes are in what looks like an original box and really want to find a good home. I also seem to have an extra C64, Wang PC3, and an assortment of 8-bit PC cards. Thanks Andy Campbell akcampb(a)ibm.net

26 years, 1 month

Service Note: M4 Data 9914

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Although the hardware I'm mentioning is not in itself 'classic,' the technology of 9-track tape certainly is. Forgive me if this seems off-topic, but I'm trying to spare anyone else lucky enough to nab one or more M4 Data 9914 tape drives some grief. There is a potential problem spot in the early production (pre-1992, as I recall) power supply boards to watch out for with these drives. The +12 rail is supplied by an LM350 in a TO-3 case. The leads from the 350 are joined to a three-pin Molex connector that is then plugged into a matching male header on the regulator board. I've seen two failure modes in this design to date. 1). Failure of the regulator. Symptoms include initial startup OK, followed by the +12 rail dropping to about 8.4 volts after no more than three minutes. If the regulator output is examined with an O-scope, one will see an AC potential of about 1.6 MHz at nearly two volts peak-to-peak. Also of note is that the regulator gets a lot warmer than normal, as does the bridge diode module supplying the regulator's input. I've been told by M4's service department that the most common fix for this is to replace capacitor C10 on the regulator board. There is also an alternative cure, specifically replacing the LM350 with a Motorola MC78T12 in a TO-220 case (doesn't seem to be available in a TO-3). Note that it is CRITICAL to use the 78T12, not a standard 7812. The 'T' version has an output current rating of 3 amps, vs. the 1A rating of the standard 7812. The +12 rail in these drives pulls about 2A under normal operation. 2). Poor contact in the three-pin connector, which results in overheating and connector burning. I saw this in the drive I got most recently. Since I lacked a suitable replacement connector, I merely removed the male header and the burned female connector, and then soldered the wires directly to the pads. Post-1992 drives have, I'm told, a completely redesigned power supply that addresses these issues. Caveat emptor! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

26 years, 1 month

Early Mac Clones

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>I made a timely find today of the first edition of _Build Your Own >Macintosh and Save a Bundle_. In Chapter 2 it has a price comparison >between the clone "Cat" Mac and the real Mac. The computers it lists are: > >Cat Mac SE >Cat Mac SE 30 >Cat Mac II >Cat Mac IIfx >Cat Mac IIcx >Cat Mac IIci I was referring to the actual clones. I'm not sure where it is in your book, but in my 2nd edition, if you look at Chapter 11, Cat Mac builder alternatives, you will see mention of the Mac clones Zane listed. Tom Owad

26 years, 1 month

Early Mac Clones

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

But did Apple license this stuff or were they clean-room type clones? Where did the user get an OS? >>I made a timely find today of the first edition of _Build Your Own >>Macintosh and Save a Bundle_. In Chapter 2 it has a price comparison >>between the clone "Cat" Mac and the real Mac. The computers it lists are: >> >>Cat Mac SE >>Cat Mac SE 30 >>Cat Mac II >>Cat Mac IIfx >>Cat Mac IIcx >>Cat Mac IIci > >I was referring to the actual clones. I'm not sure where it is in your >book, but in my 2nd edition, if you look at Chapter 11, Cat Mac builder >alternatives, you will see mention of the Mac clones Zane listed. > >Tom Owad > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 1 month

Clueless Museums (was: Final Xerox Star demo)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Do phones count? >I've begun to feel that anyone who got into Field Circus work after >'83 or so shouldn't be allowed any tools trickier than a screwdriver. > >Bill >ex-DEC Field Circus 1981-86 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 1 month

FS: Apple programs, books, etc

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

Hi Joe, I'm interested in Catalyst. Let me know what you want for it (along with the Lisa). Sincerely, Tom Owad >Quark Catalyst IIe, Program selector for Apple IIe. (disks and book)

26 years, 1 month

FS: Apple programs, books, etc

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have the following Apple II stuff for sale for the best offer. Everything is in perfect condition. If you're interested contact me privately. I don't have ANY Apple stuff that's not listed here. Joe Codex Training Program: Manage your Business with MultiPlan. (disks, book and box) MS Multi-Tool Financial Statement. (disks and book) Quark Catalyst IIe, Program selector for Apple IIe. (disks and book) MicroRef Quick Reference Guide (Word Perfect) DOS? Perfect Link Telecommunications SW (disks, book and box) PFS File Database Management. (disks, book and box) PFS Convert 2 disks only PFS Write Word Processor (disks, book and box) PFS Graph Presentation Graphics (disks, book and box) PFS Report generator (disks, book and box) Hacker game (disks and book) One-on-One basketball game. (disks and book) Apple Logo computer language. (disks, book and box) Super Calc 3a (disks, book and box) Money Street checkbook financial system (disks, book and box) Apple IIe Technical Reference Manual, hard cover ~390 pages Jeeves, personal desktop organizer. (disks, book and box) Computing with the Apple, softcover book Alpha Graph, pie and bar charting program. (disks and book) TaxVision, tax planner. (disks and book) Mostly BASIC, Applications for your Apple II. ~160 page book The Best Apple Software. By Editors of Consumer’s Guide. ~165 page book MultiPlan for the Apple II Plus and IIe. (Training Guide). (disks and book) Inside Apple ProDOS. ~305 page book MS MultiPlan. (disks and book) Sideways. (disks and book) The Sider (manual and disks no hardware) Apple Machine Language for Beginners by Compute ~430 page book The Apple Personal computer for Beginners. ~240 page book Practical Pascal Programs. ~205 page book Minute Manual for PFS: File, Report, Graph, Write The Endless Apple. ~ 270 page book Vanloves Apple II/III Software Directory. a BUNCH of pages The BASIC Conversions HandBook for Apple, TRS-80 and Pet Users. ~80 page book Apple II Super Serial Card User’s Manual (two of them) Apple II AppleMouse II User’s Manual Apple Works Quick Reference Card Apple II DOS User’s Manual Apple II e ProDos Supplement to the Apple II e Owner’s Manual Apple II ProDos User’s Manual Image Writer Owner’s Manual Image Writer User’s Manual. Part I: Reference Image Writer User’s Manual. Part II: Guide to Apple II Apple IIe Design Guidelines Apple II 80 Column Text Card Manual Apple II Extended 80 Column Text Card Supplement (two of them) Apple II AppleSoft BASIC Programmer’s Reference Manual Vol I Apple II AppleSoft BASIC Programmer’s Reference Manual Vol II Apple II DOS Programmer’s Manual Apple II AppleWorks Reference manual Apple II AppleWorks Tutorial Apple II e Owner’s Manual Apple II e Owner’s Manual (different from the first one, two of these) Apple DUODISK Owner’s Manual Apple Pascal Operating System Reference Manual Apple Pascal Language Reference manual Apple Diskware Apple Pascal (three disk set) Apple II Apple Soft Tutorial for the II e Only Apple II Super Serial Card Installation and Operating Manual MicroSoft Multi-Tool Budget for the Apple II & II e. (With manual and disk in the original plastic box. It doesn’t look like it was ever opened.) And I'll throw in: Texas Instruments Computer Program Writing Workbook

26 years, 1 month

VCF2 Announcement

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Are transcripts from VCF1 (and VCF2 for that matter) speakers going to be available for sale? Please let me know cost and where to remit payment if so. Thanks, Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: VCF2 Announcement Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 6/7/98 2:12 AM ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | .================================================================. | | // ______ o_ ___________ \\ | | // / \ \ o o o o o o | ____ \ \\ | | H / | | | | | | | | | | \ \ \\ | | H / ____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|____|___ \ \ `=o | | H | | | \ \ | | H | | The Premier Event for Computer Enthusiasts is Back! | \ \__ | | H | | | \ | | | H o | V I N T A G E C O M P U T E R F E S T I V A L |__ \ o | | H | | \ \ | | H \ - VCF2 - | \ `-o | | H | |\ `----o | | H | September 26-27, Santa Clara Convention Center | `-------o | | H / Santa Clara, California | | | H | | | | H | Speakers, Exhibit and Flea Market | | | H | | | | H | O http://www.siconic.com/vcf | | | H |_____________________________________________________| ____o | | H | | | | | | | | | | / | | H | | | | | | | | | |______/ | | H============' | | | | | | | |_________________ | | H / | | \ \ \ |_____________________ | | | H / / | `-o \ \ || | | H o___________/ / \______ \ \ || | | H o \_____|____|___________________ || | | H ____________________________ | | || | | H | | | The S P E A K E R S | || | | `=| Why would YOU come to the | __| |___|| | | _| Vintage Computer Festival? | | | | | | | |____________________________| |-David Rutland | | | | |__________________________________| | | | | ________________________ ___| On the National Bureau of |__ | | | | || || || | / | Standards Western Automatic | | | | .-| To Learn the History |--' | Computer (SWAC). Mr. Rutland | | | | | |__||_||_||______________| | worked under Harry D. Huskey | | | | o ________________________ ___| to create the control unit |____| | | | || || || | / | for this little known but | | | o-| For the Nostalgia |--' | historically significant | | | |__||_||_||______________| | computer. | | | o ________________________ \______| |___o | | | | || || || | | | | | `-| To Hear the Speakers |-._____| FEATURED SPEAKER | o | | |__||_||_||______________| | | / | | ________________________ ____|-Ray Holt |___/ | | | || || || |__/ | | | | .-|To Buy Vintage Computers|-------| Who really invented the |-----o | | | |__||_||_||______________| | first microprocessor? Guess | | | o ________________________ ______| again. The answer will stun |_____ | | | || || || |/ | you. This designer of the | | | | o-|For the Games & Contests|--. | JOLT and developer of the | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \___| classic Synertek SYM-1 sin- | | | | ________________________ __| gle-board computer will re- |_____| | | | || || || | | veal why computer history | | | | o-|To Meet Other Collectors|-o | may need to be re-written. | | | | |__||_||_||______________|___ | | | | | ________________________ \___| |__o | | | | || || || | | * speaker list as of 6/1/98 | | | | o-| To Meet the Pioneers |---. | ____ O | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ |____________/ \____________| | | | ________________________ \ | | | | || || || | \ | | | .-| For the Prizes! |----. \________________________________o | | | | |__||_||_||______________| \ | | | | \__________________________________ | | | o o________ \ | | | ,=============o \ ______________________________ | | | | // | o__ \ | | | | | | H ___________|________ \ \___| The W O R K S H O P S |___| | | | H | | \ | | | | | H \ Philosophy of the / \ | | | | | H | Vintage Computer |___ \___|-Tom Geller |_____| | | H | Festival... | \ | | | | H / \ \ | Whether you're into game | | | H | The main mission | \_____| consoles, handheld devices, |____o | | H | of the Vintage | | arcade machines or personal | | | H | Computer Festival | | computers, there's a Mac- | | | H | is to promote the |__________| based emulator for you. |____o | | H | preservation of | | | | | H | "obsolete" compu- | | | | | H | ters by offering- | ___| * workshop list as of 6/1/98 |_____ | | H | attendees a chance | / | ____ O | H | | H | to experience the | / |____________/ \____________| H | | H | technologies, peo- | / H | | H | ple and stories | | H | | H | that embody the- | | H | | H | remarkable tale of | | __ ___ __________________ H | | H | the computer revo- | | | |__| | | H | | H | lution. | | | |Someone lucky will|==-----H | | H |____________________| | | | go home with an | H | | H | / | _ | | H | | H o o_/ | (_) | IMSAI 8080 |==--o H | | H _________________________ | | | H | | H o__| VCF2 S P O N S O R S | | | See the VCF web | H | | H | www.haggle.com | | __ | page for details |==--o H | | H____| Dr. Dobb's Journal | |__| |___|__________________| H | | H |_________________________| H | | \\ // | | `=====================================================================' | | | | V2.0 rev 1 http://www.siconic.com/vcf (C) SICONIC 1998 | |___________________________________________________________________________| _ Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. 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26 years, 1 month

Former Disk Costs (was: 32 bit Macs (was Atari hard ))

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Right, but consider the other stuff. You need postscript, preferrably a program for previewing the dvi file before printing, etc. I think my pentium is faster ;) But that wasn't my original question. Does anyone on this list actually use a REALLY old unusual machine like IMSAI, CoCo, C64, Apple ][, etc. as their major word processing system (unusual compared to Tony's AT)? >Not so. Runs fairly well on similar machines. DRI evern did a version >of tex for CP/M. Have the manual and software. > >Personally I used runoff a lot, it was quite fast. > >Allison > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 1 month

680x0's, Towers, & Serendipity

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> I haven't looked at that NG for awhile. The 400 series towers were >> under the distinct diadvantage that there was no (official) support >> for TCP/IP. I was lucky enough to get an ethernet board with my '700 - I've run up XDM on the 700 before and then connected to it from an old '486 PC running Linux just for the hell of it. :) > > > [ OS tapes ] >> You know, I had the address of a vendor that could get you those; >> unfortunately, though, they wanted an arm and a leg for it >:-P. well you could get them through NCR when I last looked (about three years ago now), but they wanted something like 800 dollars US for them, which seemed a little on the expensive side for a ten year old machine that wasn't ever going to be used for anything profitable!! :) >> I got the tapes for my machine, but NCR states vehemently that they >> *cannot* be copied. I don't believe this, of course (how did they >> write the tape in the 1st place?), but I dont' know how you would >> copy them. I'd agree with you there - surely a raw copy of the tape would work. Maybe there was code in the OS to prevent you from reading raw from an OS tape or something, but I'd assume that it could just be copied on another Unix machine. > >> The tower actually *boots* from the tape during install! Is that >> crazy or what? >from what I've seen a lot of Unix machines will do this for diagnostic / install purposes. It's one of those things that reminds me how much I hate modern PCs... Think the best I can do with my 700 is hook the disks up under Linux or something (they're SCSI on the 700, not MFM) and do a raw dump on the disk. In theory I suppose I could then find an identical drive from somewhere and restore the system... (Has anyone ever tried this!?) cheers Jules > > >Jeff > >> mind you, last time I tried to power up the machine it was completely >> dead. I only had a few minutes so checked obvious fuses etc, but without >> any luck. Hopefully something simple - I don't fancy trying to trace a >> fault on one of those system boards :*) >> > >> >> cheers >> >> Jules >> >

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test-drb June 1998