At 10:30 AM 6/29/98 -0400, Chris wrote:
>Keep an eye on this list as I would imagine (and hope) it will be still
>existing in some sort of form 10+ years from now. (Let's not go into the
>depths of speculation as to how exactly this list will still exist. Who
>knows exactly? If it indeed does not, by following it we will see its
>evolution toward whatever its destiny) During that period anyway, I would
>think either you would gain collecting relationships with others here and
>find someone you feel comfortable with selling/passing it to, discover
>museums who actually are interested in preserving "homebrew" or no-name
>machines or even find some other worthwhile destination.
>Incidentally, I think you meant by the statement above,
>">... I know no one personally that has
>>these "old" computer interests except maybe the speculator type, only this
>that you mean _two_ _separate_ types of groups: speculators and us on this
Yes, you are correct, I was referring to 2 groups. I know no one in person
on this list yet.
This is much less clear for old radios where the dealers or resellers seem
to way outnumber the collectors interested in the history or technology or
the builders or repairers. Look at the prices now for the first transistor
>>For old radios I can consider the AWA museum..
Though perhaps not strictly on-topic, is there any way to read PALs, short of
buying a hugely expensive "universal" device programmer? I have several things
that have PALs in, and I want to read them somehow to help me figure out how
On a slightly different subject, has anyone written a program to dump the BIOS
of an old (or new, I guess) PC to disk?
a friend essentially gave me a mitsubishi MP286L which is a 286 laptop. it has
a phoenix bios, but is posting with a bios checksum error. it will boot off a
floppy however. i think i hear a hard drive spin up, but is not being
recognized. i cannot remember how to get to the setup utility and aol's
browser is unusable to search with. any ideas?
I've got a guy with a DECServer 5000 (no Ultrix media, not allot of
specifics on memory etc at the moment)
with "best offer" pricing. Is there a resource around (besides used gear
dealer pages) with perhaps at
least "scrap" value of systems?
I got this request from someone who visited the Vintage Computer Festival
web pages. Heads up Phoenix area collectors.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:29:08 -0700
From: Richard Miller <dkmiller(a)microarch.com>
Are there any other members/collectors in the Phoenix area?
I would enjoy getting together with other collectors.
heh, i remember everyone was decrying the system requirements. 486 and 8 meg
recommended. i only had a cursory look at it, and seemed lame from the start
by having a cheezy cartoon dog tell you what to do! of course, they've
continued that legacy with the paper clip help in ms office. just give me
regular F1 help and i'm happy. of course, if i could find a copy, i would keep
it along with my other failed collector's items like my pcjr and apple ///.
In a message dated 98-06-29 15:54:46 EDT, you write:
<< It was too cutesy for adults to use and too insulting to the kids. It
assumed a lobotomized user, had a very slow and clumsy interface, crashed
a lot, and flopped horribly in the marketplace.
And yes, Bill married the project lead behind Bob. Ugh.
ca. 1993 I believe.
In a message dated 98-06-29 16:54:35 EDT, doug yowza put forth:
<< I don't know about that, but I think the first AOL client was a GEOS
program. I've got a copy running on my GRiDPAD 2390 (aka Zoomer) that
says (C) 1993, and has no version number. (Don't ask me for a copy.
Besides copyright issues, it would require that I figure out which GEOS
runtime components are needed).
well, aol 1.5 was based on the geos runtime kernel, but didnt require geos.
I've got two Digital RZ23 3.5" SCSI drives I'd like to find some more info
on. I basically need the specs (cylinder, head, size, etc.) and jumper
settings. Anyone got anything?
I think the original manufacturer was Conner. It also has the model number
3100D, which I think is a Conner drive.
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>Any version before 3.0 for the PC. BTW, when
>was AOL 1.0 released? Wasn't AOL PC Link before? A program called
>QuantumLink came with my Commodore a few years ago, and when I called
>the tech number to see if they're still around, I was forwarded to AOL.
AOL was the company created by the combination of Applelink and some
Commodore BBS, most likely the QuantumLink you mentioned. Steve Case was
CEO of the Commodore BBS and became CEO of AOL. For quite some time,
about half of AOL's subscribers were Apple II and Mac users. Of course,
AOL discontinued Apple II support quite some time ago (I know some guys
who are still sour about this).
I better stop typing now, otherwise I'll get off on a rant about how AOL
is always dropping services on the sly and backstabbing their customers.
Tom Owad (former user of America Online, now Sysop of Caesarville Online)
Sysop of Caesarville Online
Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote:
] <I class that as a micro, but I don't know if others would.
] 11/23 was called a micro by it's vendor DEC! What could be more official
] than that. Also the LSI-11 (KD-11).
Ah, but according to DEC, it's not even a computer, it's a
Progammable Data Processor, right? :-)