test-drb March 1998

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Sam's Instructions in Private Email (fwd)

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

And you are again harassing me because your interpretation of the FAQ in this case is inconsistent with reality. And don't think I don't know what you're trying to do...you're trying to force ME to waste bandwidth publicly to make it appear that *I'M* the problem and not you. Anybody with half a brain can see right through your ploy here, Sam. I've read it and I'm NOT off-topic as this discussion and similar ones relate to the operation of the group and that is not forbidden in the FAQ. You want to play this game then I can play FOREVER. As I said, I won't back down from you. EVER. I will construct auto-responders if necessary but here's the deal: I let you have the last word in December thinking that you'd leave people alone but you're obviously too much of a bully for that. So this time, rather than bury my head in the sand [and let me make this abundantly clear] I WILL NOT BACK DOWN FROM YOU. I will NEVER give into your bullying. You can stop this and you should since YOU are the aggressor not me. I am acting from a defensive posture and I think everyone can see that. And, although I'm sure many find this game annoying, I'm certain that even those who would have criticized me earlier for standing up to you realize precisely what you are and no longer blame me for not backing down. And just so this is clear. I would prefer that Bill remove us BOTH from the mailing list permanently than permit you to have your wicked way with the group. But make no mistake...YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR Sam. But if it takes Bill removing us both from the list forever, then I would consider that a SMALL price to pay to rid the mailing list of your vile insults and the pestilence of your malicious intentions. You are clearly suffering from mental illness and I feel sorry for you but I cannot permit you to abuse me, harass me or send me what amounts to unsolicited email spam without making the entire mailing list aware of it. Why do I do this? Because you've stated yourself you want to take over the mailing list (which I said was your goal all along) I think your behavior has GREAT bearing on your ability to actually moderate a group without it becoming a fiasco. To everyone that this annoys, I am truly sorry. I didn't want it to come to this. But I clearly have no choice but to continue standing against Sam. If you want to solve this particular problem then please and BY ALL MEANS suggest that Bill remove BOTH me and Sam from the list...Sam because he is an aggressor and me because I'm no longer in a position where I can back down. And I think that solution would satisfy everyone's sense of fairness. And remove us BOTH forever. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> Subject: Re: Sam's Instructions in Private Email (fwd) You have again posted an off-topic message. I will again send you the relevant portions of the FAQ. Please print a copy out and paste it to your wall where you can see it at all times. 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are often better handled in private e-mail.

26 years, 9 months

Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi Everyone, I have tried to drop this arguement with Sam but he insists on perpetuating it. It may be embarrassing to read this stuff but it should be kept public since it does concern the operation of this list. Sam is now complaining that this tread is off topic for this list, but he convenently forgets that he is the one that started it! In his latest tirade, Sam has accused me of using this list for profit (I wish!). I should note that selling items on the list is permitted according to the FAQs, and yes I have probably made a grand total of $50 in the last six months (net not profit). Anthony is right, Sam seems to be interested in nothing more than harassing others and tearing down this list. What I would like to know is who appointed Sam to police this list? Joe At 05:59 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >Again I warned you. I was responding publicly to a public posting by the >OWNER AND MODERATOR of the mailing list, Sam. You are so out of line >here that I can't believe anymore that your purpose on the mailing list >is to do anything other than to harass others. > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead > >PS: And I'm not going to allow you to do this privately...even if it >does annoy the group because I think everyone needs to see what kind of >person you really are and how petty and small-minded your little games >are becoming. I think this has bearing on any project that you undertake >and the extent to which others should participate in it. > > ---------- Forwarded message >---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> >To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> >Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... > > >Again, you are in violation of Section 1.1 of the FAQ which reads: > > >1.1 What is ClassicCmp? > >It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center >on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place >for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions >dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are >often better handled in private e-mail. > >Please post only on-topic messages in the future. Your cooperation would >be greatly valued by all. > >Have a nice day! > >On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote: > >> >> Personally I think the list is great and have noticed NO difficulties >> whatsoever in its administration. >> >> I would hate to see it pass into the hands of someone who clearly does >> not have the best interests of others in mind but merely wishes to >> control it for the purposes of ego inflation. >> >> I think the list is wonderful Bill and, aside from one person who is >> clearly incapable of behaving in a rational and courteous manner, should >> remain precisely as it is. >> >> That's my two cents worth... >> >> Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >> >> > If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else >> > would like to take over with their own listserv, it would >> > be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. >> > If you can live with the current level of administration, >> > I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. >> >> > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

26 years, 9 months

Looking for a Q-Bus card

by peacock＠simconv.com

>I've got a quick question for everyone first. Can a KZQSA-SF (SCSI) >and a KFQSA-SA (DSSI) controller live peacefully together on the same >Q-BUS, or must I dump one to use the other? > Pretty sure you can use both, however, if I recall the KZQSA VMS driver only supports cd-rom and tape drives, not SCSI disk drives. What you probably need is a 3rd party Q-Bus SCSI disk controller that emulates an MSCP type controller card, looks like a RQDX3. Jack Peacock

26 years, 9 months

Looking for a Q-Bus card

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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26 years, 9 months

Hitachi 2.8" (was Preserving old floppies, fixed disks...)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-17 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :[Compact Floppy Disks] :> those'll be the things amstrad used ad nauseam, yep? you can post :Yes. Also used on the Tatung Einstein (now that's a machine I've :not seen mentioned lately), the Oric and probably others that I've :forgotten. oh, the einsteins were cute. :> similar hardware to the memotech, from your description - including that regrettable decision to use the tms9918 for the display. those things are just not *good*... :At one time you could get 3" disks drives for about \pounds 30.00 :in the UK (when all other drives were over \pounds 100.00). I :bought one and put it as a second drive on my CoCo system - the :extra storage was very useful when running OS-9, and it didn't :matter that the disks weren't standard. unfortunately, the cost of other drives (and of disks) plummeted in the uk and the cost of the disks for the 3" remained high. that's probably what killed them, that and the proprietary nature of them (they may not have been intended as proprietary, but they seem to have ended up that way). and we can well believe that they were superior in quality. compared with the modern 3.5" disk, most things are... :Actually the design of the disk is vastly superior to the 3.5" one. :The metal shutter on the 3" disk is inside the case and is opened :by a slider on one edge. On the 3.5" disk the shutter can be easily :opened accidentally, and more importantly it can spring apart on :the inside edge. we've travelled that road... :One thing that people didn't like about the 3" disks was that they :were flippies - you turned them over to read the second side - at :least on most Amstrad machines. But there are real 2-head 3" drives :- I have some, along with the manual. not the one that was the second disk on a pcw8512. that was 80-track double-sided. what people *really* didn't like about them was paying 3 quid for a disk when they could see 3.5" disks around for 3 quid for a box. that'd annoy us, and amstrad weren't really clued up to it. :A TI 9927 (I think - the PAL version of the 9918) video chip + 16K :video memory *shakes head again* -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

26 years, 9 months

Apology, Info, Etc... (fwd)

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

Again I warned you. I was responding publicly to a public posting by the OWNER AND MODERATOR of the mailing list, Sam. You are so out of line here that I can't believe anymore that your purpose on the mailing list is to do anything other than to harass others. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead PS: And I'm not going to allow you to do this privately...even if it does annoy the group because I think everyone needs to see what kind of person you really are and how petty and small-minded your little games are becoming. I think this has bearing on any project that you undertake and the extent to which others should participate in it. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)www.retrocomputing.com> Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc... Again, you are in violation of Section 1.1 of the FAQ which reads: 1.1 What is ClassicCmp? It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are often better handled in private e-mail. Please post only on-topic messages in the future. Your cooperation would be greatly valued by all. Have a nice day! On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote: > > Personally I think the list is great and have noticed NO difficulties > whatsoever in its administration. > > I would hate to see it pass into the hands of someone who clearly does > not have the best interests of others in mind but merely wishes to > control it for the purposes of ego inflation. > > I think the list is wonderful Bill and, aside from one person who is > clearly incapable of behaving in a rational and courteous manner, should > remain precisely as it is. > > That's my two cents worth... > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead > > > If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else > > would like to take over with their own listserv, it would > > be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think. > > If you can live with the current level of administration, > > I have no problem continuing to host the listserv. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

26 years, 9 months

Symbolics 3650..

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-18 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :[Symbolics 3650] :Was that the LISPMs that lived at MIT? CONS and CADR? does anyone have either tech info, or a URL where we can get such info? (what strikes us as amusing is that stallman conceived the idea behind GNU when "ripping off" symbolics software to keep lisp machines in business. ;> is any of the source he generated whilst doing this publicly available?) -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

26 years, 9 months

RGB monitor

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-18 16:57:56 EST, you write: << Sorry, I don't have the answer. I have a 12" RGB monitor that works with a IIGS but when I plug it into my Mac IIsi, I get nothing. Please let me know if you find out where you can get technical info on Apple monitors. Thanks, jstorm >> i've tried the same thing and get the same results. i have found out there are analogue and digital RGB monitors, but i do not know the difference between the two. can anyone direct us back on topic and explain the difference?

26 years, 9 months

Irreverence to irrelevance

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

sam ismail: :Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, :drop any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars. :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :This is not your crusade, Anthony. no but you have made it yours. you seem to be in the process of perpetuating a holy war all on your lonesome here. please desist. surely, if you have a problem with the posts of individuals, you would be better advised to take it up with them on an individual basis? we have a much longer email winging its way to you privately, but we feel that this should be said in public. it's off-topic, but so be it. and to respond to the only on-topic post we've seen from you so far tonight: no, we don't know why mits used 8800 over 8080, unless it was the simple fear of being sued for copyright violation. that question wasn't settled for a while afterward. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

26 years, 9 months

Finding machines (was: Question for the Faq)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-18 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :At 12:48 PM 3/17/98 -0600, you wrote: :>be asked again - What are the top ten hotspots for finding old :>equipment? :In no particular order: :Friends and Family (and the companies they work for) :Thrift shops :Garage Sales :Dumpsters :Surplus dealers :Internet (this list, especially) :hamfests/swapmeets/fleamarkets :classified ads :typewriter/office equipment repair businesses perhaps the original requestor was thinking more in terms of geographical areas...? sure, thrift stores, but which are your personal favourites? etc. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

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