I'd like to find a copy of metal or modem MGR. anyone have copies of either?
In a message dated 98-01-31 15:54:59 EST, you write:
<< Some things that I would like to find are an Apple //e system, a copy of
Networks II BBS, and a copy of Nexus BBS. I'm pretty sure that along my
travels I will eventually find the Apple //e but I don't know if I have a
chance of finding either piece of software. >>
i ran version 3.0 on a 386dx40 and wasnt bad, although it took almost 10
minutes to restore an archive! i had it running on a dx2-80 with 8 meg, and
was pretty snappy. it was interesting to place the swap file on the second
hard drive, so you could hear when vm was being used. Ive experimented with
version 4.0 but setting up my nic and a pnp soundblaster was difficult.
thankfully, there are plenty of os2 advocates out there in comp.sys.os2.* that
can help out.
os2 trivia: os2 had a START command way before BILLGe thought of it!
In a message dated 98-01-31 10:36:27 EST, you write:
<< I ran OS/2 v. 2 on a friends system (and helped him with the memory upgrade
from 16 to 32 meg). I also ran the Rexx gopher server on version 3 (Warp)
on a system with 16 Megs of RAM. I never ran Windows 3.1 or Windows 95
on either machine so I cannot make a direct comparison (Win NT 3.51 was
running on the latter machine long enough to allow setting up the OS/2
installation). We also played around with the Voice control on a beta
release of Merlin (thanks for reminding me of the code name) but that machine
was eventually pressed into service running NT (I never saw it after that).
The advice of "you should have more than 4 MB RAM" was taken from my friend
(who is still quite the OS/2 zealot) and I thought that I had read it in the
paperback version of the OS/2 FAQ as well - but I could easily be mistaken
about that latter source. I am quite glad to hear that your performance
was so good with only 4 MB - great OS isn't it? >>
The "i" (intel) prefix is an intel copyright. It has been used, afaik
since the beginning, esp the 80x86 series, as this is the iAXP series of
microprocessor. Many took to using "x86" notation to avoid the
copyright issues of "i86"
>BTW What is Warp? Is it the OS/2 windowing system? If so, why would I
>want to use it at all, let alone on a 286? ;-)
Yes, it is. Actually, if I remember, it came out in 1994, but it could have
been early 1995, but definately PRE WINDOWS '95! You might want to use it
for several reasons: If you've got software for it. There's WordPerfect for
Warp, Netscape Navigator for Warp, amongst others. Actually, if you ask me,
Warp's more of a competitor to NT than '95, as it's definately not
consumer-oriented. It features a *nice* plug and play system. Actually,
the interface on the older Warp's looks AMAZINGLY like Windows '95, which
makes me wonder if it was copied, and who copied who.
Theoretically, IBM's designing a completely new version of OS/2 Warp,
called 'Bluebird' or something. This is a guess, but it's probably going to
be NT as well as '95 compatible, plus rock-solid stability, much better than
The reason that we're using Windows as opposed to OS/2 is (in my
opinion) because IBM did two things: With Windows 3.0 and 3.1, they waited
until AFTER the MS release, and made it Windows compatible. They had
relatively high success, but they weren't happy with it. So, with the 32
bit version, they released BEFORE Windows, but ruined all their success.
The advantage is that if you want to run Windows 3.x apps with the current
version of OS/2, you get 32 bit performance, compatiblity, and many of the
features of a "next-generation" operating system.
It's a good alternitive for people who want a Windows look and feel, but
without the "Microsoft" beofore the name.
I could be wrong on most/all of this, so please feel free to correct me.
Hope that his helps,
Tim D. Hotze
>(Does anyone else think that the sounds made by old MFM drives is really
Yep. I think that some sound like "lasers" or optical devices of some sort.
Still make me feel like I'm living in the future.
Tim D. Hotze
<1. The AT had been deliberately set up so that it couldn't make one of
<the transitions between modes - IBM were being paranoid and thinking of
<crackers having a back door - but this "feature" was removed in the
Incorrect. the I286 has real and protected modes and intel for some
wacky reason gave you a way to go from real to protected but not back.
The only way to get to real mode agan was...reset!
<2. Intel had a fault on a large batch of 286s that couldn't do some of
<the things you'd expect. IBM bought a job lot on the cheap and stuck
<them in XT286s.
Nope, xt286 was a way to put a cheap system of slightly higher performance
out there using slower parts.
At 02:34 PM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I have a very old e-prom programmer that uses this CPU. I'm hanging
>on to it as it's the only programmer I have that can handle 2708's!
I may be in the market for an e-prom programmer soon. I've never operated
one before, so I don't know everything that is involved, but I'm looking
for something that I can use to first read the ROMs and then copy them.
Something with a PC interface and software would be nice too. What's the
price range on these units? I've never even priced them.
At 11:29 AM 2/1/98 -0600, you wrote:
>The best way to deal with that is to create a diversion: place an old
>keyboard on the floor and let the little one play with it.
>It works for a while;)
Been there, done that. :) That's one good thing about having a GRiD laptop
laying around: I can give her a working computer to play with, and know
I'll get a working computer back. Note: This is Ontopic, since it deals
with the preservation of my old computers! :)