At 09:06 PM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Speaking whihc, has anyone else ever read Heinlein's book (whose name I've
>forgotten) about the inventor whose partners steal everything and freeze
Okay, a little webbery (www.amazon.com) and the title is, <tada> _The Door
Into Summer_. (So named, because the protagonist's cat was always looking
for a door that opened into summer during the winter, but of course, so are
we all...)
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
This web site is probably only relevant to the PC Apricots.
There is info on older stuff like the F10 at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, 13 February 1998 17:42
Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>A lot of scouting around (www.apricot.com.uk is no longer active) dug up
the
>following, which is particularly useful - in particular, anydisk.zip looks
>teriffic!!
>
>http://www.apricot.co.uk/ftp/bbs/atsbbs/allfiles.htm
>
>Cheers
>Andrew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 1:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>
>
>>>
>>> Amazingly enough, there is a ton (relatively) of F1 stuff on Apricot's
UK
>>> web site file library...
>>
>>Do you happen to have the URL for that ?
>>
>>ADVthanksANCE
>>
>>>
>>> Kai
>>
>>-tony
>>
>>
>
A lot of scouting around (www.apricot.com.uk is no longer active) dug up the
following, which is particularly useful - in particular, anydisk.zip looks
teriffic!!
http://www.apricot.co.uk/ftp/bbs/atsbbs/allfiles.htm
Cheers
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Apricot F1 - help, please!
>>
>> Amazingly enough, there is a ton (relatively) of F1 stuff on Apricot's UK
>> web site file library...
>
>Do you happen to have the URL for that ?
>
>ADVthanksANCE
>
>>
>> Kai
>
>-tony
>
>
>I'd say you have the right to purchase a "previous version 1st disk
>required" upgrade of the product. You have the disks and the manuals, and
>the imaginary license laying right next to it, that the previous owner of
>the software threw away along with his right to upgrade.
Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
Who (if anyone) is wrong?
Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
before?
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Hi,
I got an apple IIe today and it came in a big padded case with a handle. It
looks like an oversize suitcase and wheighs a ton. It has reinforced corners
and edges. Inside are three compartments: the center one holds the Apple IIe
and the sides hld the disk drive, floppies, docs and hard drive.
Has anyone heard of the case or is it a custom one of a kind part?
Any information would be appreciated.
Fran?ois
All,
Figures I'd be out of town when this topic came up; I'd been
waiting for a quiet moment to ask about them as well.
I remember *lusting* for a digital group system just before dad
bought a TRS-80 Model 1. (He was right, Tandy made systems for a lot longer
than digital group did. :-()
digital group chassis had a backplane bus which could accomodate
processor cards carrying any of the 4 processor architectures mentioned by
Sam (6502, 6800, 8080, and the super-powerful chip of the future Z-80).
They offered a storage system using cassette tapes but recording to them
digitally, not tone-encoded, which they called the phi-deck (I think). They
sold a separate cabinet which would hold up to 4 of those, for a pretty
large (for those days) total storage - over a megabyte, if I recall
correctly.
They sold a fair selection of software. I recall OASIS (sic?) as
the name of one of the operating systems, and OPUS-1 and OPUS-2 as the
names of two levels of a programming language (I think).
I trashed my promotional literature describing all of this years
and years ago, once we decided to go the TRS-80 route. Sigh. If anyone can
amplify or correct any of this, or better yet has a working system, I'd
love to hear more about it.
Oh yes, there was a picture of one of the cabinets on the cover of
Byte magazine just before they went out of business. Along with many other
systems, suspended in space around a shattering crystal goblet with the
Title "Breaking the Sound Barrier". The cover story was about computers
with sound-generation capability. This would be maybe 1-2 years after the
introduction of the Z-80, I'd guess, but don't remember better than that.
More and better information, anyone?
- Mark
Technically, everyone is wrong. Now, if he gave you the disks/manuals/etc.
and did the upgrade, he'd be wrong. If you didn't upgrade, you'd be in the
clear. You were a pirate before, a pirate now, and will always be a pirate
if you keep the upgrade installed and use it.
I guess that leaves only one thing to say: Arrgh! Join the crew, matey! :P
But if you got the disks from an entirely anonymous source, you wouldn't
know the history behind the software, and you could use the software with a
slightly less guilty conscience if you were so inclined. Everything is
relative, no two cases are the same, and some leeway needs to be taken into
consideration where software "piracy" is concerned. I think there's a
pretty big grey area there, IMHO.
At 09:06 PM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>
>Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>
>Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>before?
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
Please contact Mr. Grier directly if you're interested. Thanks!
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>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:34:42 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Aaron J. Grier" <agrier(a)poofy.goof.com>
>To: port-vax(a)NetBSD.ORG, port-pmax(a)NetBSD.ORG
>Subject: tk50s up for grabs in Portland, OR
>Sender: port-vax-owner(a)NetBSD.ORG
>Delivered-To: port-vax(a)NetBSD.ORG
>
>
>in the basement of the Reed College library, there's a wall of tk50s which
>are being tossed. (All have been run through a bulk-eraser...)
>
>If you can get 'um before the custodians come and trash them, they're
>yours. (I've already got my fill.) Drop me an email, and I can meet you
>to help carry them to your vehicle.
>
><sigh> at least they'll be giving away the hardware to students...
>
>----
> Aaron J. Grier | "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | agrier(a)poofy.goof.com
> agrier(a)reed.edu | agrier(a)metro.grumblesmurf.net | ...!reed!vla!agrier
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"some IBM PC Junior pieces (a monitor, printer, cpu, keyboard). last time i
plugged it in, it worked"
I would appreciate some info; I don't knnow anything about this one.
Should I grab it, and if so, what is a fair price? Ie: is it scarce, do i
want it.
Andrew
Hello,
My company currently has several examples of antique computers,
software, and various hardware pieces from the early eighties on.
We tend to hold onto things in our warehouse and have accumulated boxes
of stuff. Some items include:
Apple Lisa (one 3.5 drive) unknown model
Apple III (one of my personal favorites)
Tons of Apple Hardware including II+, IIe, and GS carcases
AE Hardware (remember the Ram Charger and Vulcan Hardrives?)
Different Upright Macs including 128's, 512's, and the Plus
We used to sell a bunch of this stuff in the late eighties, and most of
these items were returned without packaging and such, so we could never
get refunds for them.
I would be interested in receiving an e-mail from someone to discuss the
values of some of these items.
Thanks
--
Sincerely,
Thomas Veselenak
Product Development Manager
Scantron Quality Computers
Brighter Paths
20200 9 Mile Rd.
St. Clair Shores MI, 48080
Phone: 800-777-3642 Ext. 712
Fax: 810-774-2698
