Hi, went to a hamfest and picked up a Wango Disc Exerciser. Can anyone
tell me what drives it works works on? It's a blue box about 5 x 8" inches
in size and 3/4" think and has a ribbon cable connector at one end. It has
the following switches: Start, auto-man, seq-alt, inc-fix-dec, 200 -100
TPI, Top-Bot Head, Rem-Fix Disc, Restore.
I have used disk exercisers before so I know what all the switches are
for, I just need to know what drive(s) it' for.
Joe
At 10:22 PM 2/12/98, you wrote:
> He is. Having the original version was a condition to him being allowed
>to buy the upgrade.
I suspect that that varies from vendor to vendor. Furthermore, unless it
is specifically stated on the info about getting the upgrade, I don't think
it would hold true, legally.
> That says it all. You must have the old version as a condition to have
>the upgrade.
Unless the license for the new version eliminates the license (or inherits,
if you prefer) for the old version. Which would make the old system disks
as invalid (unlicensed, whatever) as a backup of the old version.
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roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
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Well, I've got a long weekend, so I've decided to start in on my
restoration project by determining exactly what I've got. I few minutes
ago I figured out how to get into the RL02 drives, only to discover they
are empty.
Now I'm trying to figure out how on earth to open up the CPU to find out
what cards are in it. Both James Willing and myself spent a little time
trying to figure this out the day I bought it with no luck. Finally gave
up and moved it with the CPU still in the rack.
The CPU in question is sitting in the top of a DEC rack that I believe is
about 4' high. There appear to be some sort of hydralic things on either
side of the box.
Anybody have any questions, ideas, or suggestions?
Zane
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If you found this in Australia with a 240v power supply, this is a unique
computer. I don't think the "PC Junior" was ever sold outside the US.
Most of the design was however later used by IBM Japan, and sold in
Australia as the PC JX. It is probably very similar but had a different
monitor and a different looking case.
PC JX's are fairly common here as they were used in schools etc, but on the
other hand they may be disappearing. I think they are classic computers and
collectible.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, 13 February 1998 14:47
Subject: IBM PC-Junior
>"some IBM PC Junior pieces (a monitor, printer, cpu, keyboard). last time
i
>plugged it in, it worked"
>
>I would appreciate some info; I don't knnow anything about this one.
>Should I grab it, and if so, what is a fair price? Ie: is it scarce, do i
>want it.
>
>Andrew
>
I also have an Apple II Duodisk, which unlike the II fdd s has a
DB25 pin female connector. Were these for the GS or did Apple
simply upgrade the disk connections with the + or A-3. would it
work on a II with an adapter ?
-----------
Actually the Duodisk never worked properly on the GS. They were designed for
latter model //e's. Apple redesigned the Disk 2 controller card to use the
new connector.
-- Kirk
Needless to say, I was extremely disappointed when I was told that the
manuals and software for the System/34 were thrown away, along with
5 5250 video terminals. There are three left, and I picked up one of
the two remaining manuals. If was somewhat amused by some parts of the
manuals. for example, after instructions on mailing comments, "Comments
become the property of IBM". A full page on safety, including CPR
instructions. On line reads,"Wer safety glasses when performing any
work that may be hazardous to your eyes. REMEMBER-THEY ARE YOUR EYES"
another,"Knowing safety rules is not enough. An unsafe act will
inevitbly lead to an accident. Use good judgement - eliminate unsafe
acts." A warning"The display station has a weight of ~ 34kg (75lb).
NEVER LIFT BY YOURSELF" With all this, I'm surprised they ever got
sued...
PS Does anyone have the jumper setting for a Tiara Lancard /E*AT?
PPS I am reading "The Soul of a New Machine". Great book!
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At 08:17 PM 2/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
><People try, but the age of hacking is gone. Right now, there is just
><nothing exciting in the computing industry. Wait till holographic
>
>You got to be kidding. Just look around the edges at things like
>autonomus robots and navagation to suggest a few. Theres plenty to be
And there is plenty of opportunity in terms of software -- new uses for the
internet connectivity is a big one. CUSeeMe, for example and the internet
phone stuff... These are things that make me envision some guy, surrounded
by empty coke bottles, about 3 in the morning thinking, "Hey, if I can send
data over voice lines, why can't I send voice over data lines?" and such.
Also, how about purpose-built devices? Wanna buy a dedicated alphapaging
station so you're grandmother (who keeps pointing her calculator at the
Microwave and trying to change the channel) can just turn it on, type a
message (See, grandma, it's just like a typewriter!) and hit a send button
to send you an alphapage? Probably can't do it affordably. But take a
Basic Stamp, add a keyboard and a little LCD screen, some code, and voila...
Speaking whihc, has anyone else ever read Heinlein's book (whose name I've
forgotten) about the inventor whose partners steal everything and freeze
him for 20 years etc? One of the things he invents is an automated vacuum
cleaner. When Heinlein wrote the book, I'm sure that would have been very
expensive and very difficult to do. Now, however, it would seem like an
acheivable goal, especially since Heinlein does a lot of the specs for
you... So how come you can't buy one at Target? Anyone want to make millions?
(That book, btw, is what made me want to be an EE (along with Steve Ciarcia
calling it "programming in solder"). Perhaps someday I'll finally get to
become one...)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Whoops, I didn't read it all. Only the person that posseses the license is
the person who owns it. It dosn't matter who original purchased it, if the
license was purchased it is then transferred. But if you give the disks
back, and keep the software, your the bad guy. [sorry, just woke up]
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: disk equals license
>Uncle Roger wrote:
>> Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>> software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>> for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>> me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>>
>> Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>>
>> Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>> disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>> before?
>
>You're wrong (in this case) You stole the upgrade from the company
>because you didn't have the right to the upgrade. Then you stole the
>upgrade. You now have a free copy running on your machine.
>
>You didn't pay for the original disks (not a crime) but the SINGLE
>entitlement to the upgrade was already used. You have no further right
>to upgrade....
>
>-Mike
>
I Must dissagree. The person who willfully sell's the product and surrenders
the original's to you has transferred the license. It is the original
purchaser who is wrong. He has obligated himself at that point to remove
the software from his machine, or he shouldn't have sold the license in the
firstplace.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 13, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: disk equals license
>Uncle Roger wrote:
>> Here's a question... Let's say my friend, who has a legal copy of xyz
>> software, buys the upgrade version of xyz 2.0. He installs it, it checks
>> for the previous version, and all is right with the world. He then gives
>> me his old xyz 1.0 disks. I install it, purchase the upgrade, etc.
>>
>> Who (if anyone) is wrong?
>>
>> Now, let's say, we've both upgraded, and I give him back his original
>> disks. Am I now a pirate? Was I a pirate before? Or was he the pirate
>> before?
>
>You're wrong (in this case) You stole the upgrade from the company
>because you didn't have the right to the upgrade. Then you stole the
>upgrade. You now have a free copy running on your machine.
>
>You didn't pay for the original disks (not a crime) but the SINGLE
>entitlement to the upgrade was already used. You have no further right
>to upgrade....
>
>-Mike
>
<The reason for the quotes around "no problem" is that some people have
<wrongly assumed you can format 360K disks in a 1.2 MB drive and just use
<them in a 360K drive. This is only true if the disk being formated has n
That is a big no-no. The 1.2m drives have a write head that is have the
width and if not properly configured the wrong write current for 360k
media(1.2m media is different magnetically). Also that narrower head
produces a much lower read signal on a 360k drive with more errors.
Scandisk works excellent for me here even on my Leading Edge XT. It's
something your doing not scandisk.
Allison
