< it did have the drives mounted vertical. As issued, it had an 81-294
< motherboard, and the 81-478 (U-ROM) EPROM. I believe that it had the
< in-built modem and real-time clock as well. The Turbo-ROM was a major
< improvement!
that number doesnt match the the logic. there is no modem. Cannot tell
on the Urom and the turborom replaced it.
Yes, with turborom using teac FD55F or 3.5" drives I get 781k per drive.
I retained the 360k drive for compatability.
Allison
> Anybody else see this one? I wonder what kind of documentation he has to
> "support" that "The current value of an Apple I computer is $40,000+" Is
> he referring to the one that was sold for a charity?
Trolling only needs phantasy (sometimes).
>> This computer is for display purposes only -- not for actual
>> use as a computer. Though I used it as a working computer in the
>> past, the ravages of time has likely make it inoperative.
HarHarHar.
> Minimum price for starting the bidding is $25,000.00. The current value
> of an Apple I computer is $40,000+. Documentation to support this fact will
> be provided upon request. A color photo to interested parties will also be
> provided upon request.
Just request it - I gess he will pull out some magazines
with yellow press stly articles about historic computers.
Gruss
Hans
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HRK
somebody gave me this computer who built it and the power supply into a
wooden case, complete with a composite tube. this person also hacked a
keyboard on it, complete with some crude circuitry on a tinybreadboard that
was mounted very haphazardly on a piece of plexiglass along with the keyboard!
ah, homebuilt computing at its finest. however, it doesnt work at the moment
so once i find schematics, i'll start isolating the problem.
david
In a message dated 11/2/98 10:32:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
roblwill(a)usaor.net writes:
> Part of it may have been the dippy little keyboard that it had, or the fact
> that it only came with 1k or RAM (standard). If it had a larger keyboard,
> instead of the tiny plastic membranes, then the idea *MAY* have caught on.
>
>
> I wonder if ther'd be some way to either put a new keyboard on it (say,
> from a laptop), or somehow make it into an expansion unit for something
> like a TRS-80, almost like a CoCo cartridge.
< Does anyone know what the "ear" and "mic" jacks are for (I know what
< they're for, I just want to know WHY they're there). It's the only BASI
< machine I've seen with a MIC plug. Or is it to connect a tape deck to?
Hook up a tape recorder to it so you can save programs and recover them.
Crude but it works.
Allison
< Don't CRT filaments degrade with use? I've seen this on other
< workstation monitors from Sun and HP, typically ones that were used as
It the common characteristic of all valves (tubes) with heated cathodes
that over time emission will decay and gain(brightness) goes away with
it.
< big-ticket item, the local TV repairman had cylindrical devices called
< "boosters" that could be inserted in the circuit between the plug on
< the back of the CRT and the set's CRT socket to extend the life of a
It got back some emission for a while but the overvoltage generally
killed the tube.
< dim picture tube. I don't really know what it did, but I suppose it
< was something like a step-up transformer for the CRT filament voltage.
That was it's exact function.
Poor emision is something I really haven't seen in years on CRTs. Thats
due to improved materials. Burnt phosphor is more common.
Allison
< Actually, I'm wondering how those things work. Do they read the POST
< code off the motherboard, or do they do their own diagnosis? I've
< looked at the ads in various magazines, but never thought it had
< much potential.
POST is in reality a dumb I/O port with a two digit display. The BIOS
power up self test writes codes to it depending on errors or success.
It allows a bit more informative display if the video board or tube is
croaked. Generally I can trouble shoot without one using known good
boards as swaps.
Allison
< the modern uSoft OSs - win95/98 and NT4. I still get GPFs but nowhere n
< the frequency I got them with the dos-based windows. No microsoft OS ha
Last reboot of this dos6.22/win3.1 system was three weeks ago when I shut
it down to shuffle the drives and replace a dead fan. It's quite stable.
Then again I tend to trash apps that don't behave! I've also tamed a
few unruly ones with carefull edits or the creation of a proper PIF
file. Considering the number of DOS apps I run under windows Setting
things up right is a necessity.
To me GPFs are applications that under VMS would likely cause an
exception exit dump. GPFs are a poor error handling mech for programs
trying to do what should or are illegal things. It's easy to blame a
weak OS for crappy applications. Dos has few to no protections and
ragging on it is unfair.
< compared to the stability (weeks and months without rebooting) of Linux,
< in turn doesn't approach the bulletproof reliability you expect from VMS
The Slakware 3.0 Linux I have on a 386dx/33 that is a good machine but
with only 8meg of ram Linux is not that stable. Forget getting xwindows
to behave well in 8meg.
< I freely admit I learned most of my computer science under Vax-VMS so I
< strong bias towards it, but I've also run moderately large scale vaxclus
I'm biased as well, I run 7 vaxen here, two of which are LAVC members.
I also run RT-11, RSTS-11 and a lot of CP/M systems.
< and at least the versions we used... 5.5a, if memory serves, were remark
< reliable. To the point where we once had a cluster server loose its dis
Solid! I run both 5.4-4 and 5.5 and uptimes are limited by power on
times, though in the past I've seen months to years.
< I'm not a programmer. I'm a sysadmin/netadmin type. Ease of programmin
< secondary to me compared to reliability. A system that crashes frequent
< the bane of my profession's existance, because it means instead of spend
< time on the entire environment and routine maintenance you spend more ti
< firefighting mode.
That is why VMS, unix and their kin are used on the enterprize scale.
Dos/win was used that way but it was never conceived as a multiuser OS
nor as a networking server platform. Using it that way maybe a hackers
dream but a sysadmin nightmare.
< We were discussing why people don't get attached to PCs as much, and any
< machine that bombs frequently or in general causes headaches seems to me
< it's not going to be high on people's lists.
A machine that is poorly understood and marketed by processor speed
hype that shows zippy games. I still don't understand why a kid needs
a 300MHz PII to run simcity other than hype. To me it's simpler, one
486dx or PII is the same as another, ther eis nothing to distinguish
them. Even the PS2 series was at least different on the bus level.
It's a matter of maturity of the system and all of the software.
Allison
While we're talking about CRTs, I want to ask if anyone has heard of
any problems with Digital VGA monitors, about 4 years old. We
installed a lab full of them, and when I turned them on, two lost the
magic white smoke, and more have various other problems.
>> Is this related to what I am about to ask? Could somebody do a short
>> summary of why Fimi(?) greyscale megapixel NeXT monitors fade after
>
>Fimi monitors seem to be related to Philips, but just try getting a
service
>manual for one.
>
>> 20,000 or so hours of use and indicate whether there are any other
>> monitors (perhaps some classic) that show similar problems?
>
>The most likely cause is the CRT cathode is losing emission (basically
>it's not sending enough electrons to the screen). But it could also be
a
>low electode voltage on the CRT, a problem with the brightness control,
etc.
>
>It's time to mention a trick that's saved me a lot of time over the
>years, even though it's too late for you to use it. When I get a
monitor,
>whether new, or part of a classic computer, or whatever, the first
thing
>I do is pull the case and note down the CRT electrode voltages and any
>other testpoints I think might be useful (PSU outputs, etc). If I have
a
>service manual/schematic, then I note them in there. If not, then it's
>normally easy to find the CRT pinouts at least and I write down the
>voltages in a suitable place, such as the user manual. Even a label
stuck
>inside the case.
>
>Then, if the picture starts to fade, I can check the voltages again to
>see if there are any problems.
>
>OK, if it is the CRT emission (and I've had this happen on large mono
>monitors), then you may be looking for a new CRT. There are CRT
>reactivation devices (basically they run the heater at about 20%
>overvoltage and apply a high voltage, about 200V, between the cathode
and
>1st grid), but modern CRTs don't normally respond too well. Sometimes
>overrunning the CRT heater all the time (it's unlikely you'd burn it
out)
>will help. There are all sorts of tricks for that, including wrapping a
>couple of turns of wire round the core of the flyback and connecting it
>in series with the heater supply. If the heater is already supplied by
>the flyback, then you need to try the new winding both ways round. The
>way that brightens the heater and picture is the right one.
>
>Incidentally, a lot of micros, video terminals, etc use 12" mono CRTs.
>There are basically only 2 types - thin neck, 7 pin, 11V heater and
thick
>neck, 8 pin, 6.3V heater. A good source of the former is old portable
>TVs. If you can get a portable TV with a good tube, perhaps with
flyback
>or tuner problems, the CRT will probably go into a TRS-80 Model 3 or a
>VT100, or.. with only a few mods, if any.
>
>
>>
>>
>> -- Stephen Dauphin
>>
>
>
>-tony
>
>
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That's kinda cool in a twisted Word 97 sort of way. Context sensitive
BASIC...I'm wondering if this is where MS got their idea. You see, in
Visual Basic 5, it shows the syntax for the function I'm typing, and
also can complete it. Why is the Sinclair hated disliked if it had
what seems to be a useful feature?
>> O.K. How do I enter programs, then, such as
>>
>> 10 CLS
>> 20 PRINT "HELLO";
>> 30 GOTO 20
>>
>> if I can't enter things such as the "hello"?
>
>Once you hit the PRINT key it then allows you to freely enter the
string
>(or variable) you want to print. In other words, what you can type is
>sensitive to the context of the keyword.
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