Once upon a midnight dreary, Doug Yowza had spoken clearly:
>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
>Come on, it's Microsoft. The first version of anything from Microsoft is
>collectible. (I'm hoping that I can collect the last version of Microsoft
>software some day soon.)
Here, here!
>> But, why did you leave out the Pilot? It's got to be the most popular
>> of PDAs.
>I included the Pilot under "etc." The point was that classic computers
>didn't stop being made after the PC came out.
Well, what if someone ported OS-9/68K to the pilot (which runs a Motorola
DragonBall processor - 16Mhz 68000 core CPU)... that would be interesting...
a new palm computer running a classic OS???
Just a funky thought...
"Merch"
Part of it may have been the dippy little keyboard that it had, or the fact
that it only came with 1k or RAM (standard). If it had a larger keyboard,
instead of the tiny plastic membranes, then the idea *MAY* have caught on.
I wonder if ther'd be some way to either put a new keyboard on it (say,
>from a laptop), or somehow make it into an expansion unit for something
like a TRS-80, almost like a CoCo cartridge.
-Jason
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> From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Help Needed With Sinclair 1000
> Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 9:32 PM
>
>
>
>
> That's kinda cool in a twisted Word 97 sort of way. Context sensitive
> BASIC...I'm wondering if this is where MS got their idea. You see, in
> Visual Basic 5, it shows the syntax for the function I'm typing, and
> also can complete it. Why is the Sinclair hated disliked if it had
> what seems to be a useful feature?
Yep. That's what I'm looking for. For some reason, I thought it was
called the IBM KittyHawk, though. Does anyone have one that they'd be
willing to part with?
I'll either pay a fair price, or I'm willing to trade.
If anyone wants a WANG WLTC (I can send a picture to anyone that wants
one), I have one up for trade.
-Jason
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> Read all about it:
> http://www.eskimo.com/~toby/dtr1/
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> -- Doug
>
>>At the 80386 introduction, there were
>>two firsts -- the Compaq Deskpro 386 and the IBM PS/2 80 (the Compaq was
>>first, as I recall). Those machines are borderline collectable, in my
>>opinion.
> And when you look at the machines churned out by Gateway et al,
> the composition of the parts inside the box changes day by day.
> How can that be collectible?
Maybe not as easy as PETs and Apples, where the inside didn't
change a lot, but if you compare them to the cars of the 60s
and 70s they have a lot in common - a wide variety of names
and companies, but most are just believed to be common crap.
And within a blik of an eye they are vanished and become
desirable. Also, see the technical aspect, they are so fast
changing that it's realy hard to get a full blown configuration
of one era.
<Partly Offtopic example>
I just have this problem for a PC I configured about two years
ago for my younger daughter - a BIOSTAR 8500TVD Board with an
K5 PR133. I choose this board since I thought about upgrading
it later on with an Pentium 200 (At this time the 200 was some
600 USD). Now, When I wanted to upgrade (she insists in using
Win95/8) a P200 isn't available any longer - and even K6 are
hard to find not to mention a K5 PR200.
</offtopic>
So maintinig such Systems will become a problem over the years.
And more complicated than any S100 or Apple.
BTW: why is an Apple // a classic ? There are still zillions
out there. In fact they are less collectible than most PC types
in term of rarety.
And to come bach for your question: I think this ~10 year
thunp rule is just as good as the 20 year rule for most
car collectors. A owner of a 1974 VW K70 is considered by
some 'real' collectors owning a 1936 Mercedes not a collector,
but I would disagree.
Gruss
Hans
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
I have just been given a MicroVAX 3100 from work on 'semi permanent loan'.
The problem is that no one knows the SYSTEM user's password. I have tried
the break in procedure in the manuals but after resetting UAFALTERNATE to
0 and running AUTHORIZE the password is not reset.
I have noticed that if I run SYSGEN and set UAFALTERNATE to 0 and then do
a SHOW UAFALTERNATE it says 0 but if I then exit SYSGEN and restart it the
run SHOW UAFALTERNATE again it says 1. I dont know if this gives any
clues as to what is happening.
If any of the VMS experts on the list can help out I would be very
grateful.
Regards
Pete
Now that this is sort of on the topic of PDA's, would the Tandy Zoomer be
considered a collectible? It's not 10 years old, but it is a bit odd.
Also does anyone have one of those old IBM's? I'm not too sure of the
model, but I know that it was a mini-laptop, and the HD was about half the
size of a standard laptop drive. Anyway, does anyone have one of these
that they'd want to sell or trade? If you do, contact me by personal
email.
I also have a WANG WLTC laptop up for trade.
-Jason
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p.s.
and the Osborne executive...
thanks again.
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Dellett, Anthony <Anthony.Dellett(a)Staples.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 12:42 PM
Subject: Spring Cleaning
>I know it's not spring but it is time for me to thin out my collection. I'm
>offering these for sale here first before sending them off to ebay.
>
>Email me with offers to anthony.dellett(a)staples.com. I dont get time to
>check the list much so posing a reply there will get you nowhere.
>
>Atari 800 (not working, parts?)
>Atari 1050 Disk Drive (two of them)
>Commodore 64 (complete in box, I have two like this)
>Commodore 1541 Disk Drive (2 in box, one works, one doesn't)
>Commodore 1541 II Disk Drive (complete in box)
>Commodore 128 (complete in box)
>Commodore 1571 Disk Drive (complete in box)
>Compupro S-100 Enclosure (motherboard and PS only, no cards)
>IMSAI 8080 W/8080 Processor Card, SIO4 (Godbout w/docs), RAM64 (Godbout
>w/docs), PIO8 (IMSAI)
>Kaypro I (incl. boot disk)
>Kaypro II (incl. boot disk)
>Kaypro IV (incl. boot disk)
>NorthStar Horizon (not working)
>NorthStar Advantage (works completely, with boot disk)
>Osborne I (not working)
>Osborne Executive (incl. boot disk)
>Processor Technology SOL w/SOLOS personality module
>Sanyo CP/M System (with software)
>TI-99/4A Computer (beige model, in box)
>TRS-80 Model III (with some software)
>
>8" DS/DD Floppy Drive (in wooden enclosure) and Controller (Godbout w/docs)
>8" SS/SD Floppy Drive (no enclosure)
>8" SS/SD Dual Drive Subsystem (ICOM)
>8" Hard Disk Drive in enclosure w/controller (Fujitsu Hard Drive, Godbout
>Controller w/docs)
>
>I also have some random Commodore stuff that I cant remember (modem,
>paddles, trackball, etc...) I can take a closer look if anyone is
>interested.
>
>A word of warning... I'd like to sell these things to someone on the list
>but I'll only accept "reasonable" offers.
>
>Tony
>
[off topic, but I like to help when I can :-]
>Please distribute this to everyone (on earth, that is) you know.
>
>When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits.
Better get your priorities straight, man! The Libretto is just a
little notebook. The CrossPad will probably be forgotten soon enough.
I wish I could forget the Cassiopeia; I don't know if Windows CE is
significant out of dozens of other OSs but I think that's a good bet.
But, why did you leave out the Pilot? It's got to be the most popular
of PDAs.
>
>> Portables- probably anything in a lunchbox format is interesting.
Anything
>> that uses Pen input is interesting.
>
>That's the main reason I collect portables, it's the only realm that
still
>has any real innovation.
>
>Here's a heads-up: get a Timex Data-Link watch. Not only is it the
most
>useful PDA I've found, but it's virtually guaranteed to be collectible
as
>one of the first useful wearable computers.
>
>Other collectibles made recently: Casio Cassiopeia, the first Windows
CE
>box; Cross CrossPad; Toshiba Libretto; the IBM 701 (w/butterfly
keyboard),
>etc.
>
>-- Doug
>
>
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While we're talking about weird PC clones, today I tried to take
apart an HP Vectra (1986 or so) at my school. I didn't have much
desire to play with it, but it has a fairly odd configuration. It
has a motherboard, and on it, and ISA bus w/cards and two other
cards. One looks like the drive controller but it has a molex
connector attached to it from the PSU. The other card isn't even an
ISA card, and I couldn't get it out. Anyone know how this machine
is arranged?
>> An Epson Equity has just as much "classic" qaulity as an IBM S/34 or
a
>> PDP....just in a different category is all, and smaller. Everyone
gets hung
>> into their own niche and it's easy to see other machines as
"junkers"......
>>
>> > > At 07:04 PM 11/2/98 +0000, Tony Duell wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >Yes, but fortunately the starting date doesn't move forwards as
well. In
>> > > >other words, OK, some 386 PCs with custom chips in them are now
classics
>> > > >on this list (I have a problem with saying that, BTW...).
>> > >
>> > > I tend to agree with you. Discussion of ten-year-old IBM PC
clones
>> > > isn't as interesting. Dare I cause a schism by suggesting that
>
>Still though, this may be a good stepping off point to discuss whether
>there are any near classic models that will have some appeal. Many
>386/486 cpus will flow to the landfill post y2K and it would be a good
>idea to get a head start on a personal want list if any qualify.
>
>It might be way early to debate the merits/demerits of Sony PC
>products and that shouldn't be the topic. However, there are companies,
>some defunct, which might be more interesting than most, many with
>lineage to at least the AT and some back to XT days.
>
>So, any unique models or features? ALR? AST? Northgate? Zeos? Everex?
>Leading Edge? Anything with a cool LED readout? Plenty of IBM models of
>course. Backplane models? Stuff with odd cpu or riser cards?
>
>I've got a Mitsubishi 286 myself with a weird memory card stuck in a
>non-ISA slot and seemingly no internal BIOS setup.
>
>Unlike much older classic computers there should be plenty of these for
>everybody and anybody. The trick will be to know what you want before
>they are cut loose.
>
>The list may be preoccupied with that 10 year discussion limit, but I
>don't see preparation for the next wave of material as too off topic.
>Remember this isn't just about collecting computers, but actually
saving
>models and brands more interesting than average. Better to be prepared
>than kvetch afterward that some model was hot and too bad you can't
find
>it nowadays.
>
>I believe this topic has been discussed before, but this time I am
>willing to take notes and post a summary about a year from now. Keep
this
>note as a reminder and anytime you want to add something, post it to
the
>list if you think we'll all benefit or email me privately.
>
>So, does anybody want to nominate some weirdo or arcane possibilities?
>Would anybody like to go riffle through their complete run of Byte and
>cull interesting stuff from the reviews and ads?
>
>
> -- Stephen Dauphin
>
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