>> For the Very Reasonable Price of $10,000.00(US) I will take my
>> specimen out in the driveway and beat it into bits and flinders with
>> a sledgehammer, while recording the event on various video and still
>> cameras... then I will ship you the film *and* the residue via
>> FedEx.... and I'll pay the shipping!!
>Your offer is very tempting, John, but for $10K, you should at least offer
>to let me swing the sledgehammer. :-)
>Could you be persuaded to do it for the sake of Art? I'd offer to throw
>in an original Microsoft mouse if you'd like to make the ultimate
>Microsoft bashing statement....
An original Microsoft mouse? You can be far more classic than that.
Why not take my original Microsoft paper tape of Altair Basic,
tie it up in knots to make an effigy of Bill Gates, place it
on top of the documentation (with Microsoft's original Arizona
address), and set the whole bunch on fire?
Tim.
>>>>A Rockwell variant ? Please tell me more.
>>> I may be wrong here... I think Rockwell did a *cased* KIM-1 for NRI or some
>>> other such school.... Along with their AIM 65...
>> Realy - that sounds new and _very_ interesting for me.
>> Has anyone more info about that ?
> You mean you don't remember my encased AIM65 that was on exhibit at the
> VCF? There's a picture of it up on Jim Willing's web site.
Good Morning Sam
(I always forget that you are just 9 hours later :)
Go back and read again - the news (at least to me)
was that Rockwell produced KIMs (not only AIMs) or
at least have boxed KIMs (Not only AIMs) to sell /
give them to schools and/or NRI what ever this is
(National Rifle Institute ?).
ANYTHING around the kim is just interesting.
Gruss
Hans
P.S.: Does anybody have saved some of the
extention modules for the KIM ?
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
> This computer, made by MOS Technologies, was created to
> feature various chips that it had created. The 6502
> processor was created by Chuck Peddle a Motorola engineer
> who later worked for Commodore. Some say that the 6502 is
> a clone of Motorola's 6800; Peddle worked on the 6800
> project while he worked at Motorola.
Maybe based on the usual mix up of facts. The 6500/x
wasn't a clone at all - maybe a simplified design
using the same philosophy about a CPU, but the 6500/1
(or 6501) did use the 6800 Bus _and_ was pin compatible,
so a engeneer could replace the 6800 by a 6500/1 in a
existing design without any consideration about hardware.
Of course the software has to be rewritten. From todays
point of view its like if Motorola would design a socket 7
PowerPC chip. And in fact, AMD is about to do a similar
trick - they will use the EV6 bus protocall of the
Alpha 21264 in their new K7 design - I don't know if
it will be compatible at pin level, but I guess so.
This might lead eventualy to a series of basic PC boards,
able to be used with an Alpha 21264 running some Unix
or an K7 as x86 compatible PC. And all at the Taiwan
price range (Alpha boards are still between 175 and
300% the price of similar PC boards - at least here
in Munich).
Later on, the 6500/2 (or 6502) and all orther CPUs of
the 6500 series used their own bus protokoll and pinout.
Gruss
Hans
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
What's the BASIC file for?
-Jason
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> From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Tandy 600 Archive
> Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:06 AM
>
> At 10:17 PM 11/4/98 -0500, Roger Merchberger wrote:
> >
> >There are a few pictures under the "graphics" subdir... as explained to
me:
> >There may be some pictures ... but prolly are ascii-type art.
>
> I saw old Compuserve-style "RLE" graphics files, and some ".do" documents
> that contained a series comma-separated numbers that are probably another
> form of run-length-encoded graphics data. Not quite ASCII art.
>
> - John
> Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
>
I think there's an 80376 in my HP Vectra. It also has an i386SX-25.
-Jason
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> From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Classic != IBM AT
> Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 5:43 AM
>
> On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote:
>
> > No thanks to whoever said the 8088 and 8086 were the same thing. If
that's
> > the case, the Pentium and the 80386 are the same thing :-)
>
> More like the 80386SX and 80386DX, but I'm just picking nits. Which
> reminds me, does anybody have one of Intel's ill-fated 80376 chips? You
> know, the 386 with no real-mode or paging support.
>
> -- Doug
>
> Mark <mark_k(a)iname.com> wrote:
>
> Use a step-up transformer (110 to 220-240V), frequency probably
> irrelevant, though I'm no BBC expert. You should be able to find these in
> many places like Tandy/Radio Shack.
>
> You could hook the composite output up to a video monitor or TV. You might
> have to adjust the vertical hold and vertical size to get a decent
> picture. And this would be monochrome.
>
> Connect the TTL RGB o/p to a suitable monitor for colour. As long as the
> monitor has a v.hold control you should be able to get a stable picture.
>
Mark is right. I'm running a UK model BBC here in Canada and it displays
quite well on an RGB monitor. Don't let the monitor concern deter you from
acquiring one of these elegant little 8-bitters. If you appreciate the
Apple II, you'll respect what a thoughtful job Acorn did with the BBC and
the version of Basic they built in. Do try to get one with a floppy-disk
interface installed (it was an internal option in the earlier models). You
can use it to connect old IBM 360K drives (40 track) easily enough.
I haven't bothered to adapt the psu to 120V (just running it off a
120-to-240 transformer). Line frequency has not been a problem.
Arlen Michaels
amichael(a)nortel.ca
Why not use a picture of an intact one and use Kai's Power Goo or a
Morphing Program to 'mash it'. When done properly, it should look
believable. That would be a better alternative than making a bunch of
classic collectors cry over the destruction of an Altair.
Jeff Salzman
>>> For the Very Reasonable Price of $10,000.00(US) I will take my
>>> specimen out in the driveway and beat it into bits and flinders with
>>> a sledgehammer, while recording the event on various video and still
>
Kevin,
I was thinking about your system this morning. It ocurred to me that if
you have an H7861 power supply (it's rated +5V @ 36A and +12V @ 5A, BTW),
you may have most of the rest of the box it was originally fitted in.
That PSU belongs (belonged?) to a BA-11S box, which looks like a BA-11M box
as used for an 11/03, but was actually made for the PDP-11/23-plus and the
(OEM) 11/73S. The original box would have had an H9276 backplane, and an
AC power input box as well.
Now, if you have the H9276 backplane, you have no worries about putting a
22-bit system in it, because it's not only designed for 22-bit systems, but
has on-board terminators. It's a straight QQ-CD 4 x 9 "straight"
backplane; all the slots have Q22 in slots A/B and CD-interconnect in C/D.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
>>A Rockwell variant ? Please tell me more.
> I may be wrong here... I think Rockwell did a *cased* KIM-1 for NRI or some
> other such school.... Along with their AIM 65...
Realy - that sounds new and _very_ interesting for me.
Has anyone more info about that ?
Gruss
hans
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
>> US UK
>> NTSC -- smooth and flaky PAL -- flickery but more reliable
Oh, and when speaking of systems - never forget the french
SECAM :) Especialy we had this also here in Germany, since
eastern Germany took it as Standard system, to seperate from
western TV - the people had to decide if they want to see
their stations in colour (SECAM) or ours (PAL) - in the
beginning Multi Mode TV sets have been very rare and expensive.
Officialy they also sold only sets with SECAM decoders, but
since they also exportet (cheap) sets to western Germany, a
modular design was choosen - and PAL decoders have been sold
below the tables :) The eastern government even decided to
change polarity of the SECAM colour signal, to avoide the
possibility of viewing western TV in colour, even if the
westen stations would switch to SECAM (at this time the
PAL/SECAM dispute was still unclear).
Multi mode sets have been quite popular in the past, and
today, almost any TV sold (or at least any I had within the
last 10 years) is able to display SAL, SECAM and NTSC,
50 and 60 Hz. Maybe this is only true above 600 USD.
>> Now, more sensible input scheme SCART which seems excellent AFAIK
>> on modern sets
> SCART is fine until you have to wire the darn plug :-). Seriously, it
> works well for what it was intended for, although the connector is no-way
> constant impedance, and there are some sillies in how the pins are used
> (for example, there's audio in and out (doubled for L and R channels),
> composite in and out, but only one set of RGB lines). But it's a lot
> better than the random mess that came before.
Yes! And SCART is also almost mandatory for TVs since years.
I remember using my TV (via RGB/SCART) as a colour CRT for the
Atari ST, when playing games - the Display was better than on
the Atari colour monitor I had at this time (But in fact I
usualy used only the B&W) Also I could switch the frequency
to 60 Hz. The TV did syncronize very well.
>> Closed-captioning and a few Teletext; would put US closed-captioning to
>> other "trick" services which shame except the TV turns it off when you
>> may have rather sneaky imple- change channels; useful for many things
>> mentations
> Of course few people exploit teletext to its full. It's sent as ASCII
> data (with in-line attribute characters for setting colours, etc) in the
> vertical blanking interval. This means that it's possible to connect a
> teletext decoder chip up to a computer, store/analyse/print the info,
> etc. But few people have tried that. There was a teletext decoder box for
> the BBC micro (to tie in the start of this thread), and there were even
> plans to distribute BASIC programs for that machine on some teletext pages.
Teletext decoders for PCs are still popular here in Germany.
And not only PC - there have been (or better are still) a
lot of solutions for decoding on home computers etc. There
where several solutions for the C64 and at least two different
cards for the Apple ][. For Linux are several simple programms
for capturing available (working with almost any decoder) and
I know even one working as a stand alone solution, scanning all
programmes stations for all pages and buffering them on hard
disk - Just start the server and within the next 15 minutes
you have all pages from all station available in direct, random
access - or just let it run continous...
And to top this, I've seen one software capturing the sub title
page with all changes and timestamps within a text file - you
get an automatic manuscript of all speach ... or when used on
news broadcasts you just get writen TV news :)
And when speaking of features: European systems offer stero
chanals or divided chanals since several years. I don't
remember when thy started in Germany, but I think it was
more than 10 years ago.
Gruss
Hans
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
