> Oh my. This is the best marketing job I've seen yet. Somebody (a
> Microsoft employee, thank dog) paid $541 for a few Popular Electronics
> magazines, and they didn't even get *the* Altair issue!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39459401
Gregorious. I guess the seller is happe - have you seen the
second and third highest bidder ? The difference is quite
amazing. 76 USD is a high but still reasonable bid, but
531 and 541 ? Could there reale have been two dumb ones
out there at the same time ?
> There ought to be a law (or at least a good book).
A book can't change this. And a Law ? I guess the only
law aplicable here is one my mother told me when I was
thinking about any kind of sale:
Every day a dumb person get up, you just have to find it.
(She had a second one, regarding money/sales, that I
like even more: "Mai auf oda Ge'idbeidl" (its's Bavarian)
or in a more simple English version:
You have to open your mouth (and ask) or your wallet(and pay)
(to get something).)
Gruss
Hans
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
-----Original Message-----
From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, 19 November 1998 14:18
Subject: Re: Question about VAXen?
>Store room has MicroVAXes, 11/83, too many HSC70s :-),
Is that a hint you want to part with a couple? :^)
>Star Coupler and the
>pride of the collection a 6240 with Unibus (yes, Unibus as well as BI).
Now that's VERY interesting, I had no idea such a beast ever existed. I
thought all 6xxx
boxes were XMI/BI. Was it a one off special or something??
I am now seriously contemplating a museum here, mainly the larger stuff,
that home hobbyist users can't readily set up or even store, in most cases.
(It would be difficult to persuade most wives to accept a 6000 and it's
rack of full of RA7x's as a wall ornament)
The smaller Microvax/Vaxstation stuff is more likely to suit hobbyists,
and is less likely to wind up as scrap metal, although we would doubtless
have a suitable selection on display.
Ideally, I would like to make it a working museum, with functional machines,
that would actually be run from time to time.
I hope to get some of the larger PDP & Vaxen and perhaps a Prime and/or
IBM dinosaur or two.
A PDP 11/whatever is on the cards, and I'd like to track down an 8350 or
similar.
If anyone in the list knows of such items coming up for disposal in
Australia,
preferably South Australia or Victoria, I would be pleased to hear from you.
I have a site in mind, used to be a bakery, and has solid concrete floors
and 3 phase.
I am going to approach the owner (friend of mine - I rent a shop from
im - small towns
have their advantages) to see if he is interested in a long term joint
venture.
He's had it on the market for a while and has no show of selling it, so you
never know.
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
< >There are a few of us. ;) I happen to have 3 VS3100/m10E, 3100/M76,
< >two MivroVAXIIs and three VS2000s... I like vaxen and VMS.
<
< Well I've being doing VMS since 1980 and been managing them since 1982.
< Sitting in a room not too far from my ofice is about $3million worth of
< gear so I guess I'm still a VMS person.... (Of course, in the store room
< there are more VAX systems that are far more interesting than the ones i
< the computer room, in that I own them :-)
You have a few really neat ones. Some of the big iron vaxen are more
interesting than the smaller. I find the OS, VMS to be most interesting.
I've been acive with VMS since 83 but I was never in the business as
sysmanger... I was supposed to be just a user. I found the machine so
facinating that I took up learning them on my own. The 7 machines are
here in my home, networked and operational. I rarely run all 7 but it's
a matter of hitting the power on any one to bring it up. Terminals
include several VT320s, VT340 and a VT1200.
My wish list... PC emulator that runs on VAX so I can port my DOS/PC apps
to run from the VAXen.
Allison
At 07:09 PM 17-11-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote:
I wrote:
>>... (Of course, in the store room, there are more VAX systems that are far
>>more interesting than the ones in the computer room, in that I own them :-)
>
>Perhaps a working museum is in order?
Well, up until recently, that would have been my Computer Room. Over the
last six years or so, we had (all operational) a couple of 11/785s, an
11/780, an 8600, four 8800s and an 8820. Not to mention various MicroVAXes
(II and III), VLCs and 3100s.
Now, the computer room has two 6620s, a 6530, a 6440, 3100/90, a few VLCs
and that's about it (on the VAX side of things, naturally there are plenty
of VMS alpha systems but they're hardly old :-)
Store room has MicroVAXes, 11/83, too many HSC70s :-), Star Coupler and the
pride of the collection a 6240 with Unibus (yes, Unibus as well as BI).
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Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, 19 November 1998 13:46
Subject: Re: Newbie's got a dead 386
>Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. It ain't email. It is in fact
>very simple technology -- Australopithecus was fond of using the
>thighbone of an antelope.
Homo Sapiens Australis is more likely to use even simpler technology in
my experience. A right hook and a head butt usually. But blunt objects
do get used if they happen to be close and handy.
He got the verbal equivalent I guess.
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
Posted tonight:
- Computer Notes May, 1977 parts 1 and 2 (although the URL for part 2
isn't activated, the file is there)
[ Rich Cini/WUGNET
[ ClubWin!/CW7
[ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
[ Collector of "classic" computers
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/
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> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:15:23 -0600
> From: Jay Jaeger <cube(a)msn.fullfeed.com>
> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: PDP 11/55 / 11/45 Prints (Was PDP 11/70 console wiring
> diagram)
> Message-ID: <199811180322.VAA14831(a)fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> "Things are seldom what they seem; skim milk masquerades as cream!"
>
> Well, it turns out that my 11/45 is something of a mixed bag, and probably
> isn't simply an 11/45 at all. The aluminum plate on the console
> indicates KB11A S/N > 01-05231 . The sticker (mostly overlaid by another)
> on top of the backplane indicates system S/N 1525.
>
> But the overlay sticker is probably what counts. It indicates KB11D Rev.
> D, Backplane Rev R,. System S/N 293. If I am reading things right, I
> have an 11/55 in an 11/45 case.
>
> I had never bothered to check before. Sigh. Kind of a pity that it isn't
> itself anymore. The real pity is that UW Chem E. used to have a real
> 11/55 (white front panel), that I didn't pursue because I was out of
> room, several years ago.
Sounds to me like you may have an late model 11/45.
My memory may be hazy... and my limited docs are in the crawl space until I
find one of these bad boys for my house.
Most of the KB11A's became KB11D's via an ECO.
I believe this ECO was needed for Unix and some RSX versions.
I believe the 11/70 KB11B's all became KB11C's as well.
There's no difference between the late 11/45's and the rest of the
KB11 line. The KB11A and KB11D were 11/45, 11/50 and 11/55's
and the KB11B and KB11C (and KB11CM) were 11/70's and 11/74 stuff
reconfigured for DEC use as 11/70's internally when they sold AT&T all
their remaining 11/70's for Telco use about 1983 or so.
I thought the difference between the 11/45, 11/50 and 11/55 was the memory
configuration. The 11/55 was semiconductor fastbus memory and the 11/45
was usually an all-core configuration. (Realistically they're
interchangeable... I'd love to see someone make a 128kb bipolar memory
retrofit with a standard 512k cache SIMM for the 11s...)
Imagine ECC and high speed unibus memory... All of RSX or RSTS
living in one memory board.
The 11/50 was MOS memory IIRC.
I believe the MOS and core were about 250ms cycle times...and the
bipolar was half that. (this may be totally wrong... the memory's real
hazy here...)
The fast 32k of bipolar memory in the 11/55 was usually configured to exist
at either the OS memory area (so the OS would be kind of running
out of fast "cache-like" memory or where the main application
lived for number crunching apps. The 11/55, I think, correctly
configured held the DEC speed record on Fortran crunching (faster than
the 11/70 which had a real cache).
The rest of the 11/55 memory was either standard core or mos.
Bill
Hello All,
Is there someone who can help me with a copy of the wiring diagram
of the PDP 11/70 console panel?
Thanks,
Ed
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Another trick if startup.cmd logs you off the console is when it asks for
the Date and Time do an ^Z
That will exit you out of the startup.cmd (like autoexec.bat) and leave you
at the >(mcr) prompt in SY0:[200,200] then you can continue with Tim's
suggestions.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: uPDP-11 is working now!
>Anyway, next task is how to get past the user name and password problem.
>There recently was a discussion here regarding breaking into an MVII
>running VMS. (Watch for a future msg regarding my unsuccessful attempt at
>running up my MVII this morning)
>
>Can anybody describe a way to do this under RSX-11M+ v3.0? Of course, there
>*may* be something about this in my RSX-11M manuals but please suggest
>about which volume!
>I'm using this PeeCee as a terminal. The simple communications program I
>use can capture all text sent from/to the uPDP. After I type-in the time
>and date the remains of a rather long script is run and the '>' prompt is
>all I get after the dust settles. No users are logged-in and I believe MCR
>is the CLI running.
If you're at the MCR prompt at this point, very likely you've got a
[200,200] UIC. Switch to a priv'd UIC (i.e. SET /UIC=[1,1]), do
a RUN $ACNT, and use the menu options to set the password for the
SYSTEM account to whatever you want.
See chapter 2 of the _System Management Guide_ for more details.
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