< major an impact the military has played on computers. The ENIAC,
< F14CADC, DEC Alpha, and other stuff I'm sure can all be attributed
< to the pentagon.
While the military was a prime consumer of advaced technoology and even
fostered some, how the hell did DEC Alpha get in there? Alpha was
developed by DEC as an answer to what to do to create the next generation
of better than VAX machines (they were betting the farm on it too!).
It was the exact thing DEC was doing when they developed the VAX to
better the PDP-11.
< And _that_ is significant because instead of saying that the computer
< is a triumph of enterpreneurs and daring capitalists, we can _also_
< say that it is a triumph of America's great war machine.
political crock unfortunatly. Most of the developments were actually
driven trying to be better than that competition. At that time you had
AMD, AMI, Intel Fairchild, RCA, Signetics, TI, motorola, MOS technology,
SMC and that's only the few. That commercial space battle was far higher
pitched and far longer lasting than any war.
Also if anything any of the guys here that were in the military will
tell you while the F14 CADC or other hardware were at one time advaced
they also tended to stay in service for many years after the commercial
space caught up and passed it!
Allison
I have an unknown interface card for the Apple ][. At least I think it
is for a II. It has a 50 pin connector down the front of the card.
"REV E" and "SCI Typ. 1A" dated "Jan 24 '85" printed on the card.
An EPROM with
8443EPP
AM2732ADC
Copyright 1983 AMD
printed on it. That's all I can find printed on the card. Any ideas?
For those who can handle images, there are a couple at:
http://www.trailingedge.com/~dlw/comp/images/acard1.jpghttp://www.trailingedge.com/~dlw/comp/images/acard2.jpg
Not the best pictures but I have the camera here right now and may
take some closeups of the board and chips.
Thanks.
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dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
> The Radio History Society http://www.radiohistory.org/ is an IRS
> 501(c)(3) organization which can provide donors with a tax deduction.
> A single friend of mine has decided that he will donate much of his
> collection to RHS when he passes on as nobody in his family is
> interested in old radio.
> Anyway, I'd imagine CHAC and other organizations can offer help in
> directing people to good homes for their gear.
I don't think it's just about the givin'way thing. There are
dozens of organisations out there were a computer collection
wouldn't be rejected, it's about doing something where one
could have at least a strong belive that they will act realy
in favour for the collection items, and see them at leas a bit
the way we see our'babys' - as something special.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
>>there is no one to carry on the tradition. I shudder to think about the
>>eventual fate of all of our collections. Do we need a national repository
>>for all of this stuff?
> How about a collector's organization which can act as a willed
> beneficiary for collectors. A board of directors can act in the best
> interest of the collection should a member (or non-member?) die and
> bequeath(sp?) his/her computer collection to the organization. Some
> items can be kept for a museum piece while others can bid for a chance
> to purchase the remaining items. This could fund the organization. The
> organization can also conduct interviews with bidders to determine if
> they are serving the best interest of the computer collection if they
> get the desired item. A clause can be put in to require the item to be
> retired to the organization upon their death.
Kind of a life time rental agreement ?
Sounds interesting. This might be a good idea.
But won't the mony winn over the idea ?
Altrough I belive, that certain organisations, like government,
unions, etc. are neccersary, I dislike most organisations, since
every one of them tends soon to put the organisation itself on
top of the mission. The organisation becomes the mission instead
of serving it. This is especialy true for (so called) privat (NGO)
organisations without true public control. The process is called
professionalisation. Enthusiasm fades, and business is the rule.
Maybe I'm a bit negative, but I have no trust in any fixed
long time perspective organisation supposed to do 'fun' (non
comercila, ethusiast) things (So, Sam, if there is a planned
membership for VCF, I'm out :).
But, if we could keep it to a small and more individual to
individual base, I'm in.
> Some of the funding can also be used to provide insurance coverage to
> members by people who know the value of what's being insured.
Thats a very dangerous terrain.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
>For example why is it that prople are hunting for MARK-8 and Kenbec's
>when the most likely find (greatest quantity) for 8008 machines is a
>MCS-8 from intel?!?!
I disagree - an even *more* likely find is a 11/34a with an 8008
running the front panel!
Tim.
One of my Kaypro 10s has a bad case of the dreaded 'Spindle
Stiction', ie. it won't spin up on it's own.
I have learned to smack it in just the right place, to produce a
radial moment normal to the plane of rotation, and then it spins up
and boots. The first time I did this, I backed up the drive to
floppies, so if the drive dies for good, no big deal. Allison, I
believe, was the person who discussed this fairly common problem,
some months ago.
And since starting a drive with the handle of a big screwdriver
can only be termed *abuse*, it's amazing that the poor thing works
at all.
But try this, in case there is something wonderful living on the
HD, before you format it.
(If in fact the no-boot is caused by stiction....)
Cheers
John
You need the Kaypro 10 CP/M 2.2G Reload Disk Set (14 disks), which you can
get from Don Maslin, keeper of the CP/M disk archives (donm(a)cts.com), for
$3/first disk and $1/additional. The man's a saint.
The 10 will work with up to 8 heads and, I believe, 306 cylinders.
A Kaypro 10 manual would be helpful too, I got mine from my local Kaypro
users group (yes, they still exist, all four guys of them).
Some other stuff is available from The Computer Journal
(http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/kaypro.html)
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Clayton [mailto:handyman@sprintmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 9:12 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Formatting a Kaypro 10 Hard Drive
Just purchased a kaypro 10 Computer.
The Hard Drive is Dead..
As I understand it has an MFM type drive..
I have several old drives (ST 225) from old XT's that I could replace
the bad one with.. (If possible)..
My knowledge is limited on CP/M.. Even more limited with on CP/M on Hard
Drives..
Being a computer tech I formatted hundreds of old MFM type drives on
XT's but this thing is very different..
I don't know where to start on this project. Can anyone help?
Thanks..
Phil....
At 05:07 PM 10/6/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Vaporware? Please respond if you KNOW any of these exist for SURE.
>
>- STM Pied Piper (CP/M portable, 64K, $1295)
I seem to remember this actually coming out, but I can't verify it.
>- TI CC-40 (Compact Computer 40, laptop like Epson HX-20, 4 AA cells, 31
>character LCD display, $249)
Got one. One just sold on Ebay for something like $150 or so.
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