> This was put up on ebay and the auction will close about 7 hours from now
> (at about 6:00 p.m. pst). Currently there has only been one bid on it at
> the opening bid of $575.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=34347085
Oh Oh - way expensive - At this price I already start to
think about selling some of my PET/CBMs.
Gruss
H.
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The chief advantage of any kind of history is, IMHO, to reach the
understanding of how similar the past is to the present. This applies to
computer history as well. Only people who are familiar with it know that
the computers we use today (except uncommon parallel and analog
computers) are based on Von Neumann's theories more than 30 years ago.
There is no real advancement. There is multiplication of matrices by a
scalar value...
There is nothing new under the sun, as a very old book says.
>As mor as I learn about this 'dark ages' as less dark they
>apear. Not even very different from before or after (especialy
>not differentfrom now ).
>
>Gruss
>H.
>
>--
>Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
>HRK
>
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Ouch! I couldn't do that! I have lots of old software, most of which I
have the urge to discard, but hope to put it to good use in a display of
some sort.
> However when a school dumped all their teaching software for
>Commodore and Apple computers, I picked it all up
>since I didn't want it going to the dump. This stuff is dated in the
>middle 80's. I tend to segregate any original Apple or Commodore
Educational software is definitely part of Apple's history.There are
lots of crappy games and word processors for Apple and Commodore,which
are really quite uninteresting. I tend to pass up most.
>
>As Sam said, some of the classic games and productivity software are
worth
>keeping. But what about the rest?
>
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Who wouldn't be? With on maps, once the coast is not visible, you're on
your own!
>It is true that sailors in those days were leery of sailing too far
>from coast -- because there was no way to determine longitude until
>accurate clocks were developed many years later.
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>>In addition to inventing the GUI, the IBM PC, Sun Workstations and Apples,
>>as well as several CPUs, he's created a "computer science" organization
>>and nominated himself for Computer Scientist of the Year!
>> http://www.acsa.net/1996b2.html
> Since he's such an important figure in the history of computers, I think we
> should invite him to be the keynote speaker at next year's VCF...
> R.
Great idea.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam - get up, and try to catch
him - a speaker of this format might be your #1 for VCF 3.0
(And for shure I will attend it - woooha!).
Gruss
H.
Serious: He might be a real good choice to get a 'new' vision.
(And we still have no fun part for the first day :)
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Mine was more like the mechanism of either a TRS-80 drive, or an IBM Tandon
drive. The heads were connected to a horizontal stepper by a thin metal
sheet.
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> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Picture up (RE: Microsci HAVAC)
> Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 4:00 PM
>
> > BTW: I used to have a Disk II, and the heads were positioned by a
stepper
> > motor, and didn't have any "spiral-grooved disc" anywhere in the entire
> > unit.
>
> Odd... I've got a number of Disk II's here, and every one has a stepper
> motor under the chassis with a disk on the spindle of it above the
> chassis. There's a spiral groove in the disk and a little lug on the head
> assembly that fits into the groove. The stepper motor turns the disk and
> thus moves the heads.
>
> Maybe there are several versions of the Disk II
>
> -tony
> < >> My question is why did everything go to Hell between 300BC and 0AD? H
> < >> you believe the earth was flat? Where did this idea come from
> < > Wasn't that around the time of the burning of the 'library' in
> < > Alexandria?
> < In fact, did anybody belive this, or is it just a
> < urban legend ?
> I think it is ascribed to the dark ages, roughly 700-1400AD Europe.
:))
> The polical power of the church was strong then and science was nearly
> exitinct.
Science ? Just define science - AFAIK they had a lot of
scientific research - just more in a way a 'bit' different.
Their approach ist just alien for us today. And in fact, the
church at this time wasn't anti-science they promoted research
and payed a whole lot of money to support researchers. But
like every big institution they are a bit slow when it comes
to new ideas (Ever tried to launch a project based on a complete
new idea ?). Even if you advance to the time of Galileo, the
force behind the bann have just been some 'fellows' out of
sheer envy.
As mor as I learn about this 'dark ages' as less dark they
apear. Not even very different from before or after (especialy
not differentfrom now ).
Gruss
H.
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HRK
> < The Odyssey^2 had an Intel 8048 with a 512 byte BIOS, 128 bytes of RAM
> < (don't recall the chip) and the video (& sound) was driven by the Intel
> < chip - the only application the chip was ever used in; (trivia - multipl
> < 8244's could be hooked together with the output of one (slave/master mod
>
> The part I believe is a programmed 8044 RUPI. the 8044 is a 8051 core
> with a slave interface and a SDLC controller. 8051s could be serially
> connected via their 9bit serial port (also present on the RUPI). It would
>
> be the first place of comparison. Intel DId this with the 8041/2 in the
> form of printer controller, 8278 (keyboard and display driver), also the
> GPIB controller (8291) and the well known 8042 AT keybord controller found
>
> in AT and X86 systems.
>
> Allison
>
>
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Nope. Trust me on this; I've got the docs. and the story of it's
development from an Intel person responsible for it. Some parts of the
silicon may be similar, but it was designed from the ground up as a video
display chip for some sort of consumer electronics. My point was that it
wound up being used is just this one application (the Maganvox
Odyssey^2/Phillips G7000) and never made available through other channels.
I was just pointing out that the 8244 has some capabilites that were not
used in that application.
What I find so attractive about it (and all the stuff that era), is that it
respresents a window in time where the basic foundation blocks for todays
stuff (which we take practically for granted) was developed; and the
limitations they had to work under (i.e. not practical to have enough memory
for a direct bit mapped display, the state of chip fabrication and design,
etc) which were unique to that time. I comapre it _alot_ to the automobile
industry between 1898 and 1914. Do you guys have any idea how many car
compaines sprang up (and faded away)?
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
MS Age of Empires & Age of Empires ][
< The Odyssey^2 had an Intel 8048 with a 512 byte BIOS, 128 bytes of RAM
< (don't recall the chip) and the video (& sound) was driven by the Intel
< chip - the only application the chip was ever used in; (trivia - multipl
< 8244's could be hooked together with the output of one (slave/master mod
The part I believe is a programmed 8044 RUPI. the 8044 is a 8051 core
with a slave interface and a SDLC controller. 8051s could be serially
connected via their 9bit serial port (also present on the RUPI). It would
be the first place of comparison. Intel DId this with the 8041/2 in the
form of printer controller, 8278 (keyboard and display driver), also the
GPIB controller (8291) and the well known 8042 AT keybord controller found
in AT and X86 systems.
Allison
