>>> You play the game like this:
>>> 1) Scout for a surface deposit of Coal and start mining coal.
> .
> .
> .
>>> 14) Using iron, and wire build generator.
>>> 15) Using generator create electricity.
>>> 18) Mine tungsten and build lightbulb.
>>> ...
>>> First one to a PDP-8 wins :-)
> Hey! I though about this for a grad project in History - build a computer
> using Roman technology (metallurgy, etc., since the Romans didn't have
> electricity).
Just what do you want ? The Z1 was _complete_ echanical and
was build by hand on a kitchen table - and used anything
also known from modern computers, including binary floating
point.
>> What about creating a Game ?
>> Of course all Graphics has to be ASCII :)
>
> Not on a PDP-8. There was a vector graphics board set. It used an
> oscilloscope for a display tube. As was proven in a patent lawsuit
> filed against Nintendo, video games did exist before Pong, just not
> in the living rooms of America.
Stop, my question was not about greating a game on a PDP.
The intention was to build a computer game where building
a PDP (or something like that) is the goal ... Such a basic
build up an economy game like Civilisation etc. But instead
of geting welthier all the time you have to build up a PDP as
soon as possible
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
Rax (Sorry, can't remember your real name) wanted to know, and it seems I
kept the original message.
Philip.
---------------------- Forwarded by Philip Belben/PTech/PowerGen on
23/10/98 13:10 ---------------------------
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu on 06/09/98 06:29:19
To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
cc: (bcc: Philip Belben)
Subject: Booklovers: Danger!
Maybe I shouldn't post this.... O wot'th'ell, here goes.
I have discovered recently a very dangerous on-line book service,
which, in my *very* humble opinion, just beats the bloody tar out of
the 'major' ones.. (Amazon, Barnes, etc). Some of you Listmembers
may already be aware of these folks.. if not, the URL is;
www.abebooks.com
I'm *definitely* in Big $$$ Trouble. I have a very large library,
around 10K volumes, journals, periodicals, papers... collected over
many years. A lot of it is old, wierd, rare, fringe-science,
technology, engineering, computing, etc.
Now I find ABE (American Book Exchange) and they've got titles
I've been searching for for *ages*... including a book I read in 4th
Grade and never heard of since... oh dear: most of the booksellers
on ABE take credit cards... damn, damn, damn...!
I've already found over $1K of stuff I must have.. NOW!
Anyway, I hereby disclaim and hold myself inurred and harmless
>from anyone who goes bankrupt because I turned them on to ABE.
Just try searching with Van Nostrand or Wiley or Howard Sams
entered in the 'Publisher' slot... or pdp-11 in the 'keywords' section....
I'm in **trouble** !
Cheers ;}
John
> I don't know if it is rare, but it certainly sounds unusual. Current price
> is $27.00 and the reserve has not been met.
> Another interesting item from ebay. URL is:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=36318754
Go OFF it's MINE !
:)))
In fact, it's not realy rare, zillions have bin made,
but I still miss it.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
>> In a recent telephone conversation with Tony Duell, he mentioned that
>> someone (was it Kevan?) was thinking of doing a VCF in the UK. To that
> I think you missed his posting where he said he had received only 5
> replies. So it looks like a non-stater.
Gee - this is not an option.
>> person: I am definitely prepared to support you. I can provide plenty of
>> computers for exhibiting; I can talk on some suitable subject; I am
>> prepared to chip in a fair amount of dosh to get this show on the road.
> I'll also provide machines and a talk if anything comes of this.
I will haul up one trunk of machines.
> Alas I can't provide much cash at the moment...
Hmm maybe s.o. should look out for a place (not nessecary as
fancy as the Santa Clara Convention Centre :), and when we have
actual numbers, we might try to put up the money. I don't have
much availabe either, but I thing we can find a solution.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
> That sucks (in my opinion). (You like my 16bit addressing? kinda make you
> yearn for the good 'ol days when you programmed in hex! Like real men! No
> sir! We didn't have no Visual Basic or C+++++++++! When we wrote a silly
> like program, it was an accomplishment! (....but they still were silly
> little programs.)). But I digress....
> I like:
> IO port 0=Keyboard control
> IO port 1=Keyboard data
> IO port 2=Device 1 control
> IO port 3=Device data
> etc.
Gee fine - back to the time when the CPU had to do any
little pice of sh.. by itself - never asked why Mainframes
can handle so much more date with the same tecnologie
than PCs ? go back and learn.
> Your response: "But, what if you need to transfer a big block of data like
> a NIC? You really need to memory map that."
> My answer: "Pretend that the IO addresses are memory. With a 128 bit
> address bus, you'll never run out of spaces!"
So waht now ? memory maped or I/O space
There is ABSOLUTLY no sense in building a super fast CPU and
then spending all time in I/O polling (or interrupt handling)
Lets get real again.
Gruss
H.
P.S.: in 1986 I had a 100 MHz Turing machine running - I bet
it was one of the fastest computers at this time -
Fast and Useless.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
>
>The only thing I saw of interest:
>
> BURROUGHS
>
>23879724 G 300 VIDEO BOARD ET110 $5
>283531-006 G 2 1351 CONT CCA ??? don't know what it
is
>2993-0666 G 295 WER SUPPLY $5 to $8
>3388-7498 G 169 KEYBOARD ASSY $5
>AP1351 G 5 PRINTER, AP 1351 If this is a complete
printer $10 to $15
>B28CPU G 1 CPU
>E2817B39-HT G 62 CRT $5 considering that they will have to
pay to dispose of to meet EPA regs.
>ET-1100 G 9 TERMINAL $5 to $10 Disposal costs as above.
>
>Any ideas?
I put what I would bid by each item I could guess. I am not familiar with
Burroughs equipment. Remember these are EACH prices.
>There's also a ton of Apple ][ stuff like keyboards, power supplies, disk
>drive mechs, etc. Great if you wanted to start a classic Apple ][
>restoration and repair business (providing the stuff is all new).
That is why I thought this would be of interest to this list. If you note
in the header of the list it is all in good condition. This historically
means that it is surplus from a repair depot. The other condition code they
have had in the past are as follows (pasted from the weekly bid list)
CD CODE
"N" = Never Used With No Factory Warranty.
"G" = Used Material In Good Condition.
"U" = Unknown functionality, RETURNS will be allowed ONLY if MISSING
MAJOR components.
"D" = Defective material with no returns allowed
Dan
>Can you tell us more about the type of auction this is?
Sealed bid
>Is it one of those auction where you can walk away with a pentium for $5
YES On last weeks bid I won a VAX4000-300 for $82. a bunch if DIgiboards
for $5.00 ea. Sorry everyone that has commercial value to me.
>is it more of the upper type wher you pretty much have to be within 105 of
>the retail valu in order to win it?
Not at all. This equipment is from a new division that did not have a
surplus sales group. Tha format was different than the usual bid lists so I
called my rep. about last weeks list and they are hoping to get 5 cents on
the dollar. Anything that does not sell will be going to be recycled as
they are very carefull about EPA regs.
>Have you had any experience with this sort of auction?
I have been doing business with them for over a year. The regular weekly
bids I rarely get good deals on - about 70% to 80% of wholesale are typical.
The special bids like these are where I make out. I will admit that this
equipment is not the usual type they offer - remember it is a newly acquired
division.
>What I'm getting at is I've seen a few things on the list that I like but
>hve no idea what to bid on them.
I would be sure to be over the scrap value (figure 50 to 75 cents a pound is
scrap value) but based on the bid I won last week not more than 5% of
wholesale new.
>Also it seems like the terms for payement are very tight 2 days to send the
>money or you're out how do you propose to proceed? Are you going to send a
>"big" check for the bid and hope that everybody follow up on their bid?
I still do not know why they put that in there. I actually have 15 days
>from shipment to pay for it. provided I am not way above my theoretical
credit limit and YES I am hoping that everyone will be following through
because I will be stuck with the equipment if they don't. I have had some
long discussions with a couple of people on this list about this and was
informed that most everyone is quite honorable.
Another note of interest I have only gotten the response for 1 of last weeks
bids so far. It had to be in on monday and I got the response thursday (1
day late). Tuesdays bids were supposed to be released thursday. When I get
the response to those bids I will let you know.
Don't worry if I think any bids are to high I will let you know. I can only
do this however on equipment that I am familiar with.
For shipping considerations due to the amount I won on last weeks bid I have
told them to change it to truck and gave them my account info for a major
truck line, This is the first time I have had to change to truck shipping.
Also for figuring shipping I am in North Carolina.
Dan Burrows
336-376-0468
dburrows(a)netpath.net
>> BTW: LDOS - I have a Modell III with external HD - hasn't
>> there been an LDOS to boot from ? (I'm not the deep TRS guy).
> The only "official" operating system for a Model III with a hard
> drive _was_ LDOS. Also for the Model One. TRSDOS 6, later called
> LS-DOS, was written by Logical Systems for the Model 4. (There
> was also a version of LS-DOS for the Model II/12 series [8" drives]
> but all of my copies were lost years back in a move, along with a
> lot of other material related to those systems -- as Ben Franklin
> once said, three moves equals one fire).
Jep, but what about booting ? The only LDOS I have needs
still to boot from FD.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
I've got a box of them you can have for the shipping cost. I haven't
checked lately, but I think there are like 8 or 10 or more in the box...
>Arfon Gryffydd wrote:
>>
>> 2) Anyone have any old ARCnet cards they wanna get rid of???
>
Bill Richman
incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf
microcomputer simulator!)
At 19:27 22-10-98 -0700, you wrote:
>A little more information such as the equipment being offered would help
>us decide if there's anything we want :)
The list is on my page, Sam. It's huge! 330K plus. That's why we decided
not to send it directly to the list.
The URL for the primary page is in my sig line. It can be reached directly
at:
http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin/bidlist.txt
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