>Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote:
>> To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we
>> released 1.03 as the first version.
>
>MSKB article ID Q32905 "Windows Version History" makes reference to
>Version 1.01 dated 11/85 (it is the first version listed), followed by
>1.03 dated 8/86.
>
That fits. I have a copy of 1.02, the "International Version" with files
dated 1/86.
Hans Olminkhof
Ah, I got the answer... there was a 1.01 with a limited release in the US
only, I still have yet to get confirmation over whether there was a retail
store package or whether it was bundled only. 1.03 was indeed the first
multinational release about 9 months later.
I'm sure there wasn't a 1.00, although 1.01 packages may have carried "1.0"
markings.
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:lwalker@mail.interlog.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 9:01 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: als for it
On 30 Sep 98 at 9:19, Kai Kaltenbach wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we
> released 1.03 as the first version.
>
> 1.03 was available only on 360K 5 1/4" and had no VGA support. 1.04 was
the
> same as 1.03 except it was available only on 720K 3 1/2" and supported the
> PS/2 _exclusively_.
>
> Kai
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ismail [mailto:dastar@ncal.verio.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:16 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Windows 1.0?
>
> Someone posted recently that they have the originals (or copies) of
> Windows 1.0? Could you please get in touch with me?
>
> Sam Alternate e-mail:
Sorry Kai, I usually tend to take your MS statements as gospel but in this
case I've just been looking at the flash page and desktop of Windows 1.01
copyrighted 1984 and the files are dated 11-15-85. Unless this was a pirated
version smuggled out of MS or an elaborate put-on it must be the first
issue. It has a somewhat-Norton Commander style desktop but has most of
the utilities of the later version - notepad, write, calendar ,etc. and a
pif-editor and win.ini. It comes on 5 360k disks with a set-up program that
builds a small Win.com and an much larger overlay binarie. As you mention it
doesn't support VGA and the readme file has a lot of references to problems
with AboveBoard (the Intel mem-expansion card). I've had it for a short
while
and just now installed it on an 8580 PS2 running DRDOS. While I can get the
desktop the utilities hang with the familiar hourglass.
I just tried it on my 5150 which has an Inboard card and uses the A20
handler but only 1meg memory and also heavily configured and with Dos 5. It
crashed leaving me at the prompt. Using my favorite shell CMFiler got me to
a blank screen before crashing . Likely memory related.
I'm going to try it on one of my 286s' using an earlier dos and with one
of
1.01's memory handlers emm.at or emm.xt (dated 7-30-85) in autoexec. I have
of course no manual.
I do run on, sorry.
ciao larry
lwalker(a)interlog.com
< I just picked one of these up with the base station that houses a Seagat
< ST-251 40 meg hard drive with DOS 6.20 installed! Wacky. It also has
< 5.25" floppy drive vertically oriented next to the CRT.
The disk box was an afterthought. It was mostly for modems and other add
ons. Their big feature was a LANCE chip for eithernet running PCSA (later
called pathworks) networking to vaxen via decnet/lat protocals.
< Its a very nice 286 machine, but what a pitiful computer considering it
< came from DEC.
Since it's primarly aim was a diskless dos workstation off of vaxen and
dec was still trying to sort out if they were committed to PCs at all it
was a rather interesting machine.
Allison
The 34-pin control cable for ST-506 interfaces can either have a twist
or be straight through where you need to alter the HDD drive selects
accordingly.
The 34-pin control cable used on ST-506 interfaces doesn't care
whether it lives in a PC PC/XT or PC/AT environment.
Marty
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Subject: Re: ESDI Cabling
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 10/1/98 3:55 PM
> The only thing in PCs I know of that use a twist cable is Floppies.
The AT MFM disk control cable (for ST506-like hard disks) certainly has a
twist in it. This twist swaps over 2 of the drive select lines between
the 2 drives, so they can both be set to the same drive number. I will
have to get the manual if you want the exact details.
I think the XT control cable does as well. I have an XT somewhere with 2
ST412 drives (in the 5161 expanasion box) but I'd have to dig it out to
check if the cable has the twist.
>
> Allison
>
>
-tony
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Subject: Re: ESDI Cabling
In-Reply-To: <199810010124.AA26688(a)world.std.com> from "Allison J Parent" at
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< Is it possible to make regular Mouse-System-Clone bus mouse or Sun Mice
< work on a DEC Vaxstation 3100 -- or does anyone have a source of
< the DEC mice?
I don't think so.
Allison
< And of course DECsystems might be 36 bit (DECsystem-10 for example), 32
< (DECsystem 5500) or something else (wasn't there a DECsystem based on
< either an -8
< or -11? for word processing). I also seem to recall that there were Inte
< based DECstations too....
There were two different DEC systems for word processing:
WPS 100 and 200 series were PDP-8E or 8A cpus
WPS78 6100 CMOS version of PDP-8
DECmate later version of the CMOS based word procesors using the 6120
version of the CMOS PDP-8 on a chip.
A possibly incomplete list of DEC systems and what the cpu was used...
more or less. These are all "chip" based so it leaves out the PDP-1
through 15 series machines.
DECMATE series 6120 processor (a PDP8 in CMOS)
VAXmate Intel 80286 oriented as diskless PC workstation for vaxen.
DECstation MIPS series
Rainbow 8088/z80
Pro3xx PDP-11 (f11 or J11 chips)
PDT-11 series KDA11 (LSI-11 series)
Falcon T-11 series pdp-11 chip
Vt180 (AKA Robin) Z80
MicroVAX
VAXstation
VAXserver These are VAX systems based on Microvax, CVAX, NVAX and
later 32bit VAX based chips.
Alpha 64bit archetecture and the chip series based on it.
Allison
This message was supposed to have gotten here a while ago, but it never did.
Myself and a few other individuals are actively working on a KL-10 emulation.
The project is named e10, and is 3.99% finished. I'm busy confusing myself
with 36-bit math right now. Anyway, help would be nice to complete this
fscker. It's being written in C for Unix platforms, it's under the GPL.
Please don't email me and tell me how stupid this is, or how I'm never
going to finish, I'm trying my damndest to maintain the Never-Give-Up
attitude. I plan to be winning by Y2K. Anyway, does anyone want to help out?
I generated a web page (Using vi, of course...) at bony.umtec.com, and
the current source can be had from there via FTP in /pub/ka10/*.
Any help at all would be appreciated.
-------
< Allison, just how compatable were the Rainbow and Decmate ll.
With what? if each other the answer is not at all. The Rainbow
was sorta PC(ish) using z80 and 8088. The DECMATE used a PDP-8
cpu reduced to a chip. Differences, PDP-8 is a 12bit machine
and the other two should be familiar.
< I have a Decmatell Word Processing 2 book manual no disks and
< another Decmate Hardware Configuration Manual with a System
< Test Disk and a system overview disk which I have viewed on my
< "Bow. From all the diagrams they were identical in appearance and
< seemed to have used the same keyboard and monitor. IIRC from
< the R'bow fido docs I downloaded from the Finnish site the Bow
< could use SCO UNIX (?) Was the 'bow able to access the mini's ?
The used a similar box, same Floppy (RX50), if it was installed the
same 5/10mb hard disks, monitor and keyboard as those were all coperate
standards for that era. other wise they were three different machines
(the pro350 was similar style and peripherals).
Allison
Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, there was no Windows 1.00. As I recall, we
> released 1.03 as the first version.
MSKB article ID Q32905 "Windows Version History" makes reference to
Version 1.01 dated 11/85 (it is the first version listed), followed by
1.03 dated 8/86.
-Frank McConnell
< The only PC ESDI controllers I have ever found all have 2 data cable
< connectors (20 pin on the card), which can each connect to one drive onl
< same as MFM. In fact right now I can't think of any differences between
< and MFM cabling for PC's. Not sure about the twist details though.
EDSI does not generally use the twist unless that was a PC hack. The
Ultrastor EDSI controllers I hav elaying around use the esact cabling
as a pair of MFM drive on a WD 1003/5/6 controller.
The only thing in PCs I know of that use a twist cable is Floppies.
Allison
