>BTW What is Warp? Is it the OS/2 windowing system? If so, why would I
>want to use it at all, let alone on a 286? ;-)
Yes, it is. Actually, if I remember, it came out in 1994, but it could have
been early 1995, but definately PRE WINDOWS '95! You might want to use it
for several reasons: If you've got software for it. There's WordPerfect for
Warp, Netscape Navigator for Warp, amongst others. Actually, if you ask me,
Warp's more of a competitor to NT than '95, as it's definately not
consumer-oriented. It features a *nice* plug and play system. Actually,
the interface on the older Warp's looks AMAZINGLY like Windows '95, which
makes me wonder if it was copied, and who copied who.
Theoretically, IBM's designing a completely new version of OS/2 Warp,
called 'Bluebird' or something. This is a guess, but it's probably going to
be NT as well as '95 compatible, plus rock-solid stability, much better than
NT.
The reason that we're using Windows as opposed to OS/2 is (in my
opinion) because IBM did two things: With Windows 3.0 and 3.1, they waited
until AFTER the MS release, and made it Windows compatible. They had
relatively high success, but they weren't happy with it. So, with the 32
bit version, they released BEFORE Windows, but ruined all their success.
The advantage is that if you want to run Windows 3.x apps with the current
version of OS/2, you get 32 bit performance, compatiblity, and many of the
features of a "next-generation" operating system.
It's a good alternitive for people who want a Windows look and feel, but
without the "Microsoft" beofore the name.
I could be wrong on most/all of this, so please feel free to correct me.
Hope that his helps,
Tim D. Hotze
>(Does anyone else think that the sounds made by old MFM drives is really
>cool??)
Yep. I think that some sound like "lasers" or optical devices of some sort.
Still make me feel like I'm living in the future.
Tim D. Hotze
<1. The AT had been deliberately set up so that it couldn't make one of
<the transitions between modes - IBM were being paranoid and thinking of
<crackers having a back door - but this "feature" was removed in the
<PS/2.
Incorrect. the I286 has real and protected modes and intel for some
wacky reason gave you a way to go from real to protected but not back.
The only way to get to real mode agan was...reset!
<2. Intel had a fault on a large batch of 286s that couldn't do some of
<the things you'd expect. IBM bought a job lot on the cheap and stuck
<them in XT286s.
Nope, xt286 was a way to put a cheap system of slightly higher performance
out there using slower parts.
Allison
At 02:34 PM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>I have a very old e-prom programmer that uses this CPU. I'm hanging
>on to it as it's the only programmer I have that can handle 2708's!
I may be in the market for an e-prom programmer soon. I've never operated
one before, so I don't know everything that is involved, but I'm looking
for something that I can use to first read the ROMs and then copy them.
Something with a PC interface and software would be nice too. What's the
price range on these units? I've never even priced them.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
The whole point is lists and newsgroups is that the majority are pertinent
and one shouldn't have to sort through the impertinent.
All of our email addresses are posted, if you want to have long discussions
as a group there's no reason you can't do it off line...
-Mike
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> From: Brett <danjo(a)xnet.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Are We Not Men? (& Women?)
> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:05 AM
>
>
>
> I personally enjoyed reading the posts. I usually pick and choose
> anyway - something Sam could do as well.
>
> BC
>
<I seem to recall a .3 limit in an early version of VMS that someone I spo
<to who used to work for DEC recalls as well: was it as late as vms 2.0 pe
<3.0 even?
4.x (memeory is fuzzy brought the loger file names. The earliest version
of VMS I used was 3.4.
The reason I was complianing is those long names can be horrid if you
have to hand type them in and make an error with command editing not
available.
Allison
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: Apple ][+ OS
Allison J Parent wrote:
!<Well, a 15 character limit's not bad to me at all. Actually, I've gotte
!<used to 8 with MS-DOS, which I still use when I want something DONE.
!
!I'm spoiled with VMS that has had EIGHTEEN.EIGHTEEN, yes, 36 character
!file and directory names. The problem is;
!
!VMS_C_COMPILER_NEW.VERSION_TWENTY_ONE can be a pain to type in. ;)
!
!Allison
I seem to recall a .3 limit in an early version of VMS that someone I spoke
to who used to work for DEC recalls as well: was it as late as vms 2.0 perhaps
3.0 even?
At any rate under VMS 7.1 at least the limit has been further increased to
39.39 as this little log demonstrates (apologies to folks if this gets MIMEd
beyond recognition):
$ create 123456789012345678901234567890123456789.123456789012345678901234567890123456789
Hello from 39.39!
^Z Exit
$ type 123456789012345678901234567890123456789.123456789012345678901234567890123456789
Hello from 39.39!
$ create 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890.1234567890123456789012345678901234567890
%CREATE-E-OPENOUT, error opening 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890.1234567890123456789012345678901234567890
as output-RMS-F-FNM, error in file name
Hmm - I just tried that same thing on a VAX running 5.5-2 and was able to
create the 39.39 but not the 40.40 just as on the Alpha running 7.1. I am
not at home now so I can't test that on the uVAX running 5.4.
As for directories - the following was done on the VAX running 5.5-2:
$ create/dir [.123456789012345678901234567890123456789]
$ create/dir [.1234567890123456789012345678901234567890]
%CREATE-E-DIRNOTCRE, [.1234567890123456789012345678901234567890] directory file not created
-RMS-F-DIR, error in directory name
Peter Prymmer
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subj: Re: Development, round II
Tim Hotze wrote:
!>>name Warp arrived with 3.0. I don't know what rumour mill came up
!>>with the "Borg" name, but it's total bullshit -- OS/2 predates that
!>>Trek concept by several years.
!>That too is what I thought (I don't follow Trek things at all).
!The Borg were introduced in a single episode in 1988 or 1989.
OK clearly the rumour I reported was worthless as OS/2 dates from 87
(or do I have that wrong as well?:-)
! Another great thing is 4.0's *standard* voice support. That (should)
!make(s) it popular in the disabled market.
I knew a grad student who - in his twenties - had arthritis so severe that
excessive typing for him was out of the question. The voice navigable
desktop was of great benefit to him. Before that he used a collection of
standalone apps including a wordprocessor (from IBM) that really did not
impede his data input speed one bit. I asked him to "type" some latex as
demo and was quite favorably impressed. I've heard some folks point to the
current round of voice recognition software as being the final success of one
of those long outstanding AI research problems. It is interesting to see IBM
take such a "quiet" lead with it.
Peter Prymmer
WTB cheapo laptop...anyone have 286 or 8088? Don't want anything
collectible, just functional.
I'd love a Grid -- do they run regular DOS?
manney(a)nwohio.com
<Snip>
> > sounded more gentile. Anyway, about two thousand on/off cycles later,
>
> I wonder what a Jewish head crash sounds like?
>
> Sam
Parts are cut off.
manney
