test-drb September 1997

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DEC PDP-11's, Peripherals, Docs, Unix, etc. for sale; L.A., CA.

by c-bristol＠usa.net

How can I add my name to receive this list? c-bristol(a)usa.net TABLE OF CONTENTS: 1. SOUND EQUIPMENT 2. COMPUTER ANTIQUES (CORE memory, etc.) 3. COMPUTER EQUIPMENT (IBM style; non-IBM style) 4. OFFICE EQUIPMENT and FURNITURE (Fireproof Cab) 5. MISC. (Tools, Elec.Test Equip.,Bikes,Backpack) 6. BUILDING MATERIALS and TOOLS 7. THINGS I WANT TO BUY / TRADE FOR REPLY TO: c-bristol(a)usa.net From: Chris Bristol, a private party. All items are in Los Angeles, CA, USA. Reason for sale: moving overseas. All prices are very negotiable, and trades possible. ** COMPUTER ANTIQUES for your desktop or office wall, *********** ****************************** "an emerging collectable" ******** CORE MEMORY BOARDS: These are very pretty after you open the covers and show off the core planes. This type of memory was invented by Jay Forester of MIT in about 1955. Some of my boards are from MIT from my college days. The "1" or "0" is stored in little donut about 1 to 2mm in diameter--one donut per bit. Each donut is threaded by hand with two wires, one in the X axis, and one in the Y axis. This makes something that looks like a weird SciFi fabric. Then the fabric "planes" are stacked about 1/2 deep total. The thousands of hair-thin wires were hand assembled, generally by oriental women. Each wire connects to driver IC's and transistors, and control logic. This memory was non-volatile. These boards are mostly 16Kbytes, some 32Kbytes. They have pretty gold contacts, from the days before about 1968 when gold was thick and fixed at $20 per ounce. They were made for the PDP-11. Many of them work fine, if you have a PDP-11. Hang it on your wall in a glass case, to show you are not wet behind the ears in the computer business. Every computer museum should have one. $50 per board. HUGE FLOPPY DISKS, 8", Drive for this (DSD RX01) is below at $95. Put one or two of these 8" floppies on your wall, adding a 5 1/4" (also available) and 3 1/2" next to it. 8" floppies for $9 each, light to mail. PAPER TAPE: I have two paper tape readers, both work I think. I got one while at MIT, and it was built by an MIT company back in around 1960. It is all aluminum and stainless steel, very pretty. The other is a more normal factory made unit. I also have some fan-fold paper tape for these. My paper tape is software and diagnostics for DEC PDP-11's. $25. IBM CARDS: "Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate" they used to say. These have Fortran and other programs and data on them. Some cards have UCLA logo. $25. VERY BIG TAPE DRIVES, like you see in the movies. $130 for two, see listing under "PERTEC" below. Also, see below "DECTAPE", a very funny tape drive. In operation, both move back and forth all the time. The perfect atmosphere for your Cyber Caf?. Or buy a whole PDP-11 and display it, and maybe operate it. **** COMPUTER EQUIPMENT: ************************************** *IBM STYLE OR CAN BE USED WITH IBM: **************************** TAPE CARTIDGES, have about 30, $110 all obo, 3M DC-600, DC-300, DC-300A, 80 MB capacity, large 5" wide cartridges, many new shrink wrapped. IBM AT clone, Intel 80286 CPU, 12 SLOTS (ISA) good for hobbyist (normal is more like 6 slots or less), 1 MB Ram, Serial, Parallel, 40MB Seagate HDD, 2 5 1/4" floppies - one 1.2MB, Monochrome Monitor (orange phosphor) plugged into Hercules /CGA/MGA compatible display card, DOS 3.2, Framework, etc. software included, word processing, $100 all obo. DISK DRIVE, 5 1/4 inch style, 40MB IDE from an IBM AT compatible, 2 of them, $25 each FLOPPY DRIVE, 3 1/2", in its own cute stand-alone case that includes a power supply, $25 PRINTER, Diablo daisy wheel, built in stand on casters, with keyboard (this is a "printing terminal", about 30 characters per second, fully formed. Have 3 identical printers, $35 each. PRINTER, DEC LA36 Decwriter II, with its own stand, with keyboard (this is a "printing terminal"), about 30 characters per second, dot matrix, work horse, can print carbon multipart forms on 14" wide paper, tractor feed, $50. PRINTING portable terminal, Texas Instruments "Silent 700" thermal paper printer, built in acoustic modem (300BPS)and keyboard. $30 *** THE OTHER COMPUTER EQUIPMENT IS NOT IBM STYLE, ********* * MOSTLY OLD DEC PDP-11 STYLE: ****************************** DEC PDP-11/34A with BIG Tape and Disk (6 ft high 1978 computer, cost $25,000) with RT-11 & optional Unix SW, working, $300 DEC PDP 11/45 w BIG tape & disc, 1973 6ft high computer, cost $40,000, w/RT-11 & UNIX software/UNIX license, 16 timeshare ports (DH11), $300 EMULEX disk controller board for DEC-11 or VAX, model SC21/B1, new $4,500, still unused in box, with SMD cables, $300 COMPUTER TERMINAL, "dumb terminal", nice black and white display, high resolution, VT-100 emulation. (This is not a monitor, and not IBM or Mac compatible.) Detached keyboard, from 1985, pretty, with manuals, $80. DISK DRIVE, old removable, model CDC 9762, 80MB "hatbox" disk pack included, pack cleaned and tested, with two sets of SMD cables if you want, a little smaller than a washing machine, works with Emulex above, $150 DISK DRIVE, DEC RK05 removable 2.5MB, with about 5 or 10 cartridges that have been stored nicely in my closet, about 80 lbs, $200 with disk packs. DISK DRIVE, BALL 160 (fixed, 160MB SMD interf, about 80 lbs),$50. DISK DRIVE, WANGCO 5MB top load, rack mount 10" high, 70 lbs, with about 8 disk packs that were well stored, compatible with DEC RL01, $80 with packs FLOPPY DISK DRIVE, DSD, 2 8" floppies in 10" rack box, runs a PDP-11, copy of DEC RX01, $95. Optional: RT-11 set, source, XXDP Diagnostics, on floppies TAPE DRIVES, PERTEC 8640?, 800/1600 PE 10" reel to reel, 9-track, 100 lbs, Pertec unformatted interface, have 2 of them, $130 both TAPE CONTROLLERS, for above to PDP 11, imitate DEC TM11, Complete and worked: Western Peripherals 130, $50, not working: Plessy and another WP copies of TM11. About 8 lbs each for board set, system unit, cables. DH11 16 RS232 port DMA interface for PDP-11, made by DEC, $100 DECTAPE, bracelet size tape reels, hold only 256KB, two drives w/ctrl, big, museum piece, $150. RACKS, DEC H960 general purpose 19" "relay racks", with sides, back, fans, power box, 6'H 21"W 30"D, with rear rails. Start an ISP full of modems or put your stereo in a rack, have 3, $90each RACK, open 19" relay rack, just front frame, on base with casters, 6'H, 20"W, 25"D base on casters, $50 MULTIBUS SYSTEM, disassembled. Ran UNIX, 68000 CPU card, Tashio HDD/floppy controller, HDD (80MB?), Floppy (1.6MB?), Cardcage, RAM, software. $90. DEC Expansion Cabinets (you add controllers and RAM in these boxes, which plug into 120VAC): BA11ES, BA11L, etc. about $60ea DEC MODULES: DL11 serials, M930, Unibus Cables, Printer interface, boxes of misc. boards for PDP-11's, black plastic "bezels", etc. MODEMS: external 1200BPS and 2400BPS. Fancy for their day, 2400 does nice auto dial monitoring. RS-232. $15, $25. DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: UNIX: full sets of docs for v.6, v.7, 4.1BSD, 4.2BSD, 4.3BSD, SUN OS2, SUN OS3, SunView. About 3 big file boxes of UNIX docs. Also have distribution tape of 2.9BSD for PDP-11 licensed to me from SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) and the PDP11 hardware it is licensed for. Cheap! DOCUMENTATION: SOFTWARE: DEC OS: Full set, RT-11 v2, v3, v4, partial RSX-11. Also have the software on floppy and RK05, and the PDP-11's that are licensed to run it. Cheap! Also Heathkit H-11 paper tape operating system, media and docs, new. DOCUMENTATION: HARDWARE: most all DEC PDP-11 docs from 1970-1985. Paper and microfiche. Also docs on compatibles from Plessy, Western Peripherals, Wangco, etc. Set of "Processor Handbooks" and "Perhipheral Handbooks". VIC-20 Commodore computer with tape deck, books, games, works, $75 **** SOUND EQUIPMENT: ***************************************** SPEAKERS, ACOUSTAT II, Audiophile full range electrostatic speakers, 5'H, 2'W, 6"D (thin), each plugs into 120VAC and to your amplifier, uses 4000 volts and no magnets to move silvered plastic film diaphragm, about 1/10 the distortion of conventional magnetic speakers, beautiful "reach out and touch it" realism of mid-range and high end, perfect for classical, simply-mixed vocals and acoustic instruments; appreciated by musicians. Like new with original boxes, black and walnut, new cost $2,200, sell $950 pair. Someone's comments on electrostatic speakers: http://www.digitaltheater.com/reviews/speaker21.html SPEAKERS: JANZEN Z-410 hybrid electrostatic speakers for audiophile. Uses 4 electrostatic panels, each 6" x 6", for mid-range and treble, blended with a conventional magnetic 10" woofer, all in a conventional large bookshelf type case of 15"W x 15"D x 28"H. Good compromise of electrostatic sound and conventional woofer; $500 the pair. TUBE FM TUNER, made by SHERWOOD, white front with gold color trim, brown steel rear case, uses green-glow tuning meter tube, works OK, cool looking, $110. CD PLAYER DECK, PHILLIPS (Netherlands) original CD player, top load, uses real blue-green gas laser (not cheap red LED laser like new players). Good for audiophile.(For your stereo, no amp or speakers included,) Works OK. $75. CASSETTE DECK; TEAC AN360S; High end deck from about 1980. Dolby, CR02 and all that, $65. TURNTABLE: PHILLIPS (Netherlands) 212A audiophile turntable with green touch-light switches for 33 and 45, straight fly-weight arm in integrated floating mount, including top of line Shure V15 type III cartridge, and spare cartridge of same type. Nice sound. $70 RECORD COLLECTION, mostly classic vinyl, a little audiophile. DOLBY B outboard processor, fancy unit made by Dolby labs with 2 huge 5" meters, 5"Hx18"Wx12"D front controls. $50. MXR 10-band stereo equalizer. For musician or home stereo or recording technician. Smaller than a cigar case, no display, only sliders. For portable use. RCA line ins/outs. $85. MIXER, TAPCO 6 in / 1 out mike mixer with 1/4" phone and XLR inputs and mechanical spring reverb. About 30 rotating controls. Condition: is beat up (I bought it used). $80 MICs and STANDS, assorted. POP and CLICK filter processor for LP records **** OFFICE EQUIPMENT AND FURNATURE: ************************** FIREPROOF safe-file cabinets w/S & G combo lock, (changeable), 2 drawer file, weighs about 250 lbs, one hr fire rated, very pro, letter size, 14"W x 33"D x 30"H, have 3, cost $1700 ea., sell $200 each FIREPROOF safe-file cabinet w S & G combo lock, (changeable), 4 drawer file, weighs about 500 lbs, one hr fire rated, very pro, letter size, 14"W x 33"D x 60"H, cost $2600, sell $350 TOOL CABINETS, steel, HD, 10 very deep drawers, for tools or parts, 29"H x 24"W x 30"D, have 2, $50 each TOOL CABINETS, tall, steel, HD, 20 very deep drawers, large, for tools or parts, 59"H x 24"W x 30"D, have 2, originally for IBM cards, $70 each STATIONARY CABINET, steel, 65"H x 30"W x 16"D, black, medium condition, $40 SHELVING, Industrial/warehouse steel type, 10 "units" for 7'H 4'W 3'D shelves, each unit 5 shelves, heavy angle iron verticals, nuts and bolts, most of shelves reinforced front and back, good for about 250 lbs per shelf. Also two units 7'H x 3'W x 3'D. Cost about $1900. Sell $400 all. **** MISC ****************************************************** OSCILOSCOPE, TEKTRONICS RM-31 (rack mount version of 531),Dual-trace 20 MHz, with probes, CA plug in, works well, about 35 lbs, $250. AUDIO SIGNAL GENERATOR, HP, rack mount, 19"W x 8" H x 9" D, 20Hz~20,000Hz, works OK, $50. FLOOR JACK for cars, 2 ton, consumer grade, with 2 jack-stands,$30. BLOCK AND TACKLE, large, 3/4" mannila rope, old, strong, $45 FLASH ATTACHMENT, HONEYWELL STROBONAR, used by professional newspaper photographers because puts out a lot of light, enabling shooting 80 feet away, rechargeable, $55. TELEPHONES: Small business telephones, 3 telephones each with 5 lines and hold button, Automatic Electric old style, but touch tone. No controller. All 3 for $75 BSR X-10 Home Automation hardware. A lot of it. 2 radio trasmitters, telephone controller, ultrasonic controller, 3-wire built in outlets, built in dimmer switches, appliance and lamp modules. CASSETTE RECORDER, portable, bigger than a cigar box, GE special variable speed, separately variable pitch using fancy chips, from 50% to 200% speed and no donald duck voice. For speech. AC/DC, cost $275, sell $100. CASSETTE RECORDER, portable, pocket size (walkman size), for dictation, standard cassettes, rechargeable, with extra bat. pack and extra charger, cost $200, sell $85. CASSETTE RECORDER, Sony TC-45, equal to size of a cigar box, with AC adapter, for dictation, good cond, $50. BACKPACK, green, external aluminum frame, med-lrg size, ex comd $20 BICYCLE #1, RALIEGH SUPER COURSE, 10-speed touring bike, top model, Reynolds 531 alum. Frame, alum. Rims, quick release hubs, Heret derailer/shifts, 25.5" frame, made in England, brown, when new was $500, $175. BICYCLE #2, RALIEGH GRAND PRIX, 10-speed touring bike, middle quality model, made in England, Campagnolo (Italy) derailer, 23.5" frame, green, when new was $275, $80. SHEEPSKIN CAR SEAT COVERS, for tall back one-piece with headrest, brand new and NEVER installed, high quality, black color (yes, black, or rather charcoal), cost $150, sell $45 the pair. VACUUM CLEANER, Hoover Dial-a-matic, best home upright ever made, very powerful, good beater brush, with full set of attachments (hose, drapes tool, big and small crevice tool, etc.), hard case, green, $75. VACUUM CLEANER, Kenmore, very old-1950, powerful, tank type, shaped like a big bullet (rotated ellipse cut flat at back) a little art deco, also will attach air to exhaust to become a blower, with attachments and extra paper bags and cloth bag. $50 MIMEOGRAPH PRINTING PRESS, AB DICK, electric, with auto counter shut off, paste ink comes through stencil wrapped on drum onto paper, lowest cost per copy ever (basically cost of the paper), loads 500 sheets at a time, 1 second per copy, popular with SciFi small volume self-publishers, very good condition, used it myself, $80. SO you don't smoke or drink; you're a man with no vices? Buy a.... VICE, large bench vice, maybe 25 lbs, $20 COMPRESSOR and SPRAY PAINT GUN, small cheap kind, 20' air hose, for painting cars, 1 pint gun capacity, can also use for filling car tires, but not enough air volume for most power tools. $50 AIR TANK, portable, looks like 20" high propane tank, stick pressure meter, for taking air to your car and such, $25; optional fancy blow-clean gun with tip set, $15. CHAIR, judge style, 4 casters, swivel and tilt, finished wood base and arm supports, black naugahyde (vinyl) back and armrests, black cloth bottom. $40. CHAIR, office type, low, black vinyl back and arm rests, black cloth bottom, chrome swivel and casters, so-so condition, $15 NIKON camera, model:NIKORMAT, contains meter, twist f-stop setting, with standard lense, about 1975 or earlier, non-AI mount fully manual, non-electric shutter, $125. TV, 12", AC, Black and White, $30. TV, 5", AC/DC (9 x "D" cell), Black and White, $25. TV, 19" color "portable", with remote, little used, $130. CAR REPAIR MANUALS: BMW 2002, 2x 3" looseleaf binders, orig. factory fancy manual, costs about $150, sell $45, also Haynes for 2002 thrown in // Chiltons for Toyota 4x4 pickup circa 1984 // Honda 600 factory looseleaf and Haynes both $35. ANSWERING MACHINES for telephone, older style, have two, both use two cassettes, simple Sanyo $30; Fancy Tandy 150 solinoid mech. and date/time digitally on tape, $55. DESK LAMPS, Flourescent (2 long tubes) adjustable arm clamp on type, old, have 3 of them, $15 each. **** BUILDING MATERIALS / TOOLS: ***************************** 12 AWG Wire for house wiring, solid, single conductor (for pulling) THNN, White, 2 500 foot spools, new, $20 both. SNAKE for pulling above wire, about 30 foot, used once, in yellow plastic $15. TAR PAPER, 1 roll, about 3' x 100' $15 FLOORING, 6' x 6' fake-wood parquet vinyl, Armstrong thick no-glue type, $12 **** THINGS I WANT TO BUY OR WILL TAKE IN TRADE FOR THE ABOVE **** DBX 4, DBX 3, or other COMPANDER (compressor-expander). This is a stereo sound processing box. Will also consider a peak limiter. POWER AMPLIFIER, stereo, at least 200 watts per channel, prefer MOSFET like products of David Hafler. COMPUTER STUFF, will not buy these, but will take in trade for things I am selling: any parts for Pentium style system, including VGA or SVGA monitor, color ink jet printer. PARTS FOR MY AUDIO AMPLIFIER: some very large capacitors, >50,000 Mfd, >125 WVDC / Transformer to build 105VDC 500Watt amplifier power supply (about 78 VAC RMS or 157 center-tap, over 6 Amps). CONVERSION of my 1/2" 9 Track big reel computer tapes to TR-3 or CD-ROM wanted. My 1/2" tapes are Unix Tar format. **** END OF LIST REPLY TO: c-bristol(a)usa.net I am a private party in Los Angeles, CA, USA.

27 years, 3 months

Apple III+ questions

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, Got a Apple III+ yesterday, not sure if it works, haven't powered it up yet, it was such a mess that I'm working on cleaning it up first. I just cracked the case open and notice that it has three AA batteries in a battery holder between the floppy drive and the power supply. They're in front of where the cards go. Finding AA's strike me as more than a little odd! Is this a user modification? Also I've been lucky enough to get a Profile drive with it, and the controller card is in the computer. As I've said, I've not powered the system up yet, is there anything here I should be aware of. Does it boot off of the HD or just the floppy? I do have a boot floppy, but I've no idea if it's any good. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

27 years, 3 months

Restoration questions.

by adam＠merlin.net.au

> I've got an Apple-I that I'm going to take out of a box in the attic and >try to set back up for showing/playing. Oooh. You have no idea what I would do just to see one of them, much less what I would do to own one. :) >I've seen several postings about what components "should" or "shouldn't" >be in a vintage system. What's the feeling on replacing TTL chips, voltage >regulators, etc? Should I scour the land to find "vintage" parts or can I >buy stuff from regular electronics stores? (I don't actually KNOW that I >need to replace anything yet, just asking) I also suggest that you try to be original, and document everything. And if you can avoid replacment, do so. The Apple I is a genuine collectable computer, and as such should be treated as per any genuine collectable - the more original it is, the more valuable it will be. >On a similar note: The Apple-I was a kit. Mine's just a bare board mounted >inside a plain aluminum box. Was there ever a case made for these? Or did >everyone just do what the guy who put mine together did? Apple sold them to "The Byte Shop" with no case, power supply or keyboard (all available seperatly), but in order to increase the sales the store commisioned cases from a local cabinetmaker. These were made of koa wood, and look extremly nice (to my tastes). I've always thought it would be keen to have a computer in a wooden case, but apple clearly beat me to it. Anyway, I believe I have a small gif around here somewhere of the Apple I in it's koa wood case - would you like me to send it along to you as an attachment? Adam.

27 years, 3 months

Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: >It really depends on you. Many of us are packrats that keep just about >anything more useful than a burnt out light bulb. Others do not want to Uh, that's me -- much to the chagrin of my better half. >By all means, use this list for parts requests! Unless what you need is >truely exotic, I think (hope) most of us would sell the spare for the Ok, how about a 9511A or 9512 math co-processor chip (Intel 8231A or 8232)? The Intel web site has info on the 8231A only. Jameco, JDR Microdevices, and about 10 other catalogs make no mention of them. Thanks, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

27 years, 3 months

Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: > :-). You've been looking at Compupro boards, haven't you? Tim, how'dja guess that? ;-) >I've got a small number of spare 25LS2521/74LS688's available if you >need them. (For those not in the know, these are address comparators >used on Compupro's S-100 boards.) That's okay, I have spares. >It is very worthwhile to have "backup" (i.e. paper and/or magnetic >media versions) of EPROM's and PAL's. Uh, oh. Compupro had a love affair with PALs. At least I have a programmer for the EPROMs. PALs are new to me - is stability an issue with these devices? > The most commonly blown parts >are line drivers, I find - and these are commodity parts most >of the time (i.e. 1488's/1489's). And the tantalum capacitors. Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

27 years, 3 months

HP 150 II (fwd)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> writes: > 1) Touchscreen is an user-installable option

27 years, 3 months

Spare Discrete Components?

by jrbrady＠delphi.com

On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Indeed. Sorting out things like that (and noting it in the service >manual) is a pleasant morning's work with a pile of data books. It helps >if you already know the TTL and standard EPROM pinouts. Working with electronics is a hobby, not my profession, so I don't mind doing a fair amount of research. For me it's the best way to learn, and I enjoy the challenge. [It helps repair the damage to my brain done during the day by my regular job!] Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)delphi.com Seattle, WA

27 years, 3 months

FS: IBM 5100 & need Apple FDD

by manney＠nwohio.com

I have a complete IBM 5100 system available (CPU, external drives, printer, all documentation). Works fine, so far as I know. Unfortunately, the guy has some money into it, and wants some for it. It is in Northwestern Ohio. Offers? manney(a)nwohio.com p.s. I need an Apple disk drive...anyone have one? Is any one out there an Apple expert and is interested in answering questions? If so, please e-mail me.

27 years, 3 months

Trs80 model 4

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Nope, didn't know it was there. About all I know is how to format and copy. I'll have to look at that, thanks. ---------- > From: Charles E. Fox <foxvideo(a)wincom.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Trs80 model 4 > Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 11:26 AM > > At 02:35 PM 9/25/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyone have a term program for this machine? Preferably on a disk that > >TRSDOS62 will read? > > > > > > > Have you checked out the "comm" utility program that is supposed to be > included in TRSDOS6? In my manual it is listed as "a communications package > for use with the RS-232C hardware".

27 years, 3 months

Computers in Movies (was: War Games)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 09:48 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >Do you remember what the palm top was in T2? Atari Portfolio (with the rare ATM interface kit (aka, the Tramiel special)) 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

27 years, 3 months

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test-drb September 1997