Chris M wrote: Furthermore, I can't see how the cctech list is that helpful - surely if you remove the off-topic posts you lose a lot of useful-but-borderline stuff? You certainly lose a lot of the interesting discussions. As I've said before, there are people on this list who have been around a lot longer than I have, who have some really interesting things to tell about stuff that isn't necessarily "on-topic" but provides a lot of context to the on-topic discussions. Like 110v hot-dog cookers. I'd hate for this list to be as dry and rigidly topic-focused as (say) the Debian lists. They can be so narrow as to be almost worthless. Gordon.