10 Mar
2011
10 Mar
'11
6:07 p.m.
Any idea where I can get some cheap? I'd like to store these 6805
chip pulls in something better than a plastic bag.
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10 Mar
10 Mar
7:02 p.m.
On 3/10/11 3:07 PM, "Richard" <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Any idea where I can get some cheap? I'd like to
store these 6805
chip pulls in something better than a plastic bag.
Most of the electronics suppliers sell them. Digikey, mouser, unicorn, etc.
What you want is the .600 dip sleeves/tubes.
8:02 p.m.
I'll take any that he doesn't want..
-Dave
On 3/10/11 7:55 PM, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
I've got tons, you pay the postage and you can
have them all....
Richard wrote:
> Any idea where I can get some cheap? I'd like to store these 6805
> chip pulls in something better than a plastic bag.
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Port Charlotte, FL
8:52 p.m.
Well, why don't you, me, Ian and anyone else close by setup a date/time
and lets go out for steaks or something, go grab some beers and hang out
and talk shop and make a geek night of it...
William Donzelli wrote:
I've got
tons, you pay the postage and you can have them all....
Perhaps give them to me, and I can deliver them, then Richard can buy me a beer.
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8:56 p.m.
Well, why don't you, me, Ian and anyone else close
by setup a date/time and
lets go out for steaks or something, go grab some beers and hang out and
talk shop and make a geek night of it...
Well, we have had this plan for a few years now. What we need to do is
just pick a date and stick to it, damn the torpedoes. Probably
something near Poughkeepsie would be reasonably centralized.
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8:58 p.m.
On 3/10/11 8:56 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
Might wanna wait until Sridhar gets back from India..
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Well, why
don't you, me, Ian and anyone else close by setup a date/time and
lets go out for steaks or something, go grab some beers and hang out and
talk shop and make a geek night of it...
Well, we have had this plan for a few years now. What we need to do is
just pick a date and stick to it, damn the torpedoes. Probably
something near Poughkeepsie would be reasonably centralized.
11 Mar
11 Mar
11:45 a.m.
In article <AANLkTikbbyss28gtZWpzeicVzuNw2WbbrU3WcwbqvAbk at mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
er.
Of course I'll buy you a beer in any event when you're in town, but
giving me some chip carrier tubes in return would be wonderful :-).
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I've got
tons, you pay the postage and you can have them all....
Perhaps give them to me, and I can deliver them, then Richard can buy me a be 
10 Mar
10 Mar
7:59 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Any idea where I can get some
cheap?? I'd like to store these 6805
chip pulls in something better than a plastic bag.
Speaking of chip storage, has anyone else noticed the annoying tendency of black
anti-static foam to disintegrate and corrode the legs of the chips?
-Ian
8:01 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Richard <legalize at
xmission.com> wrote:
I've noticed disintegration, but not corrosion.
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Any idea where I can get some
cheap?? I'd like to store these 6805
chip pulls in something better than a plastic bag.
Speaking of chip storage, has anyone else noticed the annoying tendency
of black anti-static foam to disintegrate and corrode the legs of the
chips?
8:05 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
On 3/10/11 8:01 PM, David Griffith wrote:
I've noticed disintegration, but not corrosion.
Pin corrosion sets in a few years after the disintegration if the
foam is left alone enough to stay intact.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
Any idea where I can get some
cheap? I'd like to store these 6805
chip pulls in something better than a plastic bag.
Speaking of chip storage, has anyone else noticed the annoying
tendency of black anti-static foam to disintegrate and corrode the
legs of the chips?
8:19 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Yes, and it's especially bad on the ceramic packages with the fragile side-attached
legs - not the ones that exit the package and then bend 90 degrees down, but the ones that
are simply attached to the side of the chip body. Don't know what they're called
or how better to describe it...
But they seem to fare the worst, I've got a few early EPROMs where many of them simply
fell off.
But something much more annoying, that just happened to me (and prompted the post), was
receiving a new, old stock Zilog prototyping part (microcontroller w/ piggyback EPROM
socket) that I paid too much for, only to open the package and find it still neatly in
it's original little promotional clamshell box. Stuck in that stupid foam. The legs
are all still attached, but they're all black with corrosion. I sincerely hope that it
will still make suitable contact with a socket. If not, I suppose I can solder it into a
machine tooled socket, but... Grumble...
-Ian
I've
noticed disintegration, but not corrosion.
? Pin corrosion sets in a few years after the
disintegration if the foam is left alone enough to stay
intact.
9:30 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
On 3/10/11 8:19 PM, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
The term you're looking for is "side brazed".
Pin corrosion
sets in a few years after the disintegration if the
foam is left alone enough to stay intact.
Yes, and it's especially bad on the ceramic packages with the fragile
side-attached legs - not the ones that exit the package and then bend
90 degrees down, but the ones that are simply attached to the side of
the chip body. Don't know what they're called or how better to
describe it... But something much more annoying, that just happened
to me (and
prompted the post), was receiving a new, old stock Zilog prototyping
part (microcontroller w/ piggyback EPROM socket) that I paid too much
for, only to open the package and find it still neatly in it's
original little promotional clamshell box. Stuck in that stupid foam.
The legs are all still attached, but they're all black with
corrosion. I sincerely hope that it will still make suitable contact
with a socket. If not, I suppose I can solder it into a machine
tooled socket, but... Grumble...
Ugh!! Was it perhaps a Z8603 or Z8613?
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
10 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
? The term you're looking for is "side
brazed".
Ah hah. Yeah, I knew there had to be a term for it :D
? Ugh!!? Was it perhaps a Z8603 or Z8613?
Z8603. I'd been looking for one for a while, and I broke down and bought one when I
had a chance to get a NOS one. I should have sought out a used pull.
-Ian
10:10 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
On 3/10/11 10:00 PM, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
I have at least one tube of either Z8603 or Z8613 (uses bigger
EPROMs) chips left, not sure which, NOS, no corrosion. I'm still in
WV...I'll make a note to check when I'm back in FL, and will send you
one. Send me your shipping address in private mail when you have a chance.
-Dave
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Ugh!! Was it
perhaps a Z8603 or Z8613?
Z8603. I'd been looking for one for a while, and I broke down and
bought one when I had a chance to get a NOS one. I should have sought
out a used pull. 
10:06 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
Ian wrote:
Yes, and it's especially bad on the ceramic
packages with the
fragile side-attached legs - not the ones that exit the package
and then bend 90 degrees down, but the ones that are simply
attached to the side of the chip body. Don't know what they're
called or how better to describe it...
"Side-brazed".
However, when the leads break off or fall off due to corrosion, at least
you can (relatively) easily come up with a replacement. When the leads
break off of a DIP with a normal lead frame, it often is right at or
even inside the point that the lead exits the package body, and is much
more difficult to replace. Through carelessness with a logic analyzer
probe I accidentally broke off a lead from an ASIC in an old system, and
there was no way to get a replacement other than to buy another used
machine. A friend surprised me by succeeding at repairing it with
conductive epoxy.
Eric
10:12 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Eric Smith <eric at brouhaha.com> wrote:
"Side-brazed".
However, when the leads break off or fall off due to
corrosion, at least you can (relatively) easily come up with
a replacement.? When the leads break off of a DIP with
a normal lead frame, it often is right at or even inside the
point that the lead exits the package body, and is much more
difficult to replace. Through carelessness with a logic
analyzer probe I accidentally broke off a lead from an ASIC
in an old system, and there was no way to get a replacement
other than to buy another used machine. A friend surprised
me by succeeding at repairing it with conductive epoxy.
On plastic DIP package chips, you can get away with chipping away at the plastic package
itself, since the actual die is very tiny - most of the chip is simply plastic and
leadframe. You can chisel back a bit, and get some metal to solder to. I've had to do
this on Namco custom chips used on 80's arcade games, where the legs corrode and fall
off. In that case, it's crummy materials that corrode, not environmental problems.
-Ian
8:02 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
On 3/10/11 7:59 PM, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
Ohhhhh yes. :-(
-Dave
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Any idea where
I can get some cheap? I'd like to store these 6805
chip pulls in something better than a plastic bag.
Speaking of chip storage, has anyone else noticed the annoying
tendency of black anti-static foam to disintegrate and corrode the
legs of the chips? 
8:19 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
On 11/03/11 01:02, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 3/10/11 7:59 PM, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
One of the many reasons I'm glad I switched to >90% surface mount. No
holes to drill, and no need for ESD foam!
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Speaking of chip storage, has anyone else noticed
the annoying
tendency of black anti-static foam to disintegrate and corrode the
legs of the chips?
Ohhhhh yes. :-(
8:54 p.m.
New subject: Chip storage - Was: 40 pin DIP chip tubes?
On 3/10/11 8:19 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
One of the many reasons I'm glad I switched to >90% surface mount. No
holes to drill, and no need for ESD foam!
I'm right there with you on that.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Speaking of chip storage, has anyone else noticed the
annoying
tendency of black anti-static foam to disintegrate and corrode the
legs of the chips?
Ohhhhh yes. :-( 
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