14 Nov
2010
14 Nov
'10
1:54 p.m.
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2010-November/294055.html
[Alexandre Souza]
Andrew, Am I wrong, or the 68000 IC is a **very
common**
microprocessor?
:oO
I wouldn't call them common but certainly not rare either. It is the
thought of really nice and still useful ceramic 68Ks being reduced to toxic
sludge for a tiny bit of gold that bothers me.
They could easily be sold for much more than the value of the metal
recovery. eBay has them going for $8 to $50 or more each. Also amateur
gold scrappers have a nasty habit of making a mess with their chemical
waste.
Andrew Lynch
14 Nov
14 Nov
3:26 p.m.
They could easily be sold for much more than the value
of the metal
recovery. ?eBay has them going for $8 to $50 or more each. ?Also amateur
gold scrappers have a nasty habit of making a mess with their chemical
waste.
I do not think you understood the first time I said this.
Most guys buying chips and boards today use refineries, and have
stopped doing the refining at home. There are still a fair number of
independents doing the chemistry in their basement, but most have
figured out that using the commercial refineries is better in many
ways.
The refineries are actually quite clean, considering the toxic nature
of the business.
--
Will
3:55 p.m.
I do not think you understood the first time I said
this.
Most guys buying chips and boards today use refineries, and have
stopped doing the refining at home. There are still a fair number of
independents doing the chemistry in their basement, but most have
figured out that using the commercial refineries is better in many
ways.
The refineries are actually quite clean, considering the toxic nature
of the business.
Why to people sell them on ebay? instead of taking them directly to the
refineries.
/P
3:59 p.m.
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't know where to go. I sold a lot of sixteen multibus
boards on ebay as scrap because I just wanted to be rid of them. It
fetched a decent price. I pulled out a few of the better-looking boards
and sold them as "needing repair".
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I do not think
you understood the first time I said this.
Most guys buying chips and boards today use refineries, and have
stopped doing the refining at home. There are still a fair number of
independents doing the chemistry in their basement, but most have
figured out that using the commercial refineries is better in many
ways.
The refineries are actually quite clean, considering the toxic nature
of the business.
Why to people sell them on ebay? instead of taking them directly to the
refineries. 
4:12 p.m.
Why to people sell them on ebay? instead of taking
them directly to the
refineries.
I sell my chips on eBay as I get more money than there is gold in
them. As long as there are people who want to refine them at home,
people will pay more than their value.
We sent tons of cards to the refinery in the 1990s.
It only makes sense in large quantities as the refiner charges a
refining fee, usually on the order of $1 or $2 per pound. When the
value of the cards is less than that $1 or $2 per pound you lose
money. We ended up salting the lower value gaylords with gold
connectors and chips to get the value up to make a profit.
Also finding a refiner you can trust is a big problem. We only found
one in the 1990s we felt we could trust. There are a lot of places for
Gold to disappear.
--
Paxton Hoag
Astoria, OR
USA
4:35 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Ugh, I think I am going to be sick...
People on ebay tend to pay more then going rate for many things. Refineries
don't like dealing with small lots. I also think that many gold hoarders who
think that gold is going to hit $4000 or some high number are buying up
those CPUs looking for a long term gain, or they might be having issues
getting real gold locally. Could also be chip colletors saving them before
they get melted down if they see something rare in the lot.
When I junked a bunch of bad circuit boards I dealt with a local scrapper
who gave me around $1.50 a pound, that guy would get huge boxes full (that
sat on a skid) before a truck came and picked up his lot and that might have
gone to another guy before the refinery. Everything was seperated and old
CPUs were worth the most.
Don't forget that gold goes up and down quite a bit in a short time period
and a few people have to make a profit before the refinery does its work so
the farther down the chain you are (and the smaller the quantity of
material) the less you will make.
I do not think
you understood the first time I said this.
Most guys buying chips and boards today use refineries, and have
stopped doing the refining at home. There are still a fair number of
independents doing the chemistry in their basement, but most have
figured out that using the commercial refineries is better in many
ways.
The refineries are actually quite clean, considering the toxic nature
of the business.
Why to people sell them on ebay? instead of taking them directly to the
refineries.
/P 
6:27 p.m.
When I junked a bunch of bad circuit boards I dealt
with a local scrapper
who gave me around $1.50 a pound, that guy would get huge boxes full (that
sat on a skid) before a truck came and picked up his lot and that might
have gone to another guy before the refinery. Everything was seperated and
old CPUs were worth the most.
Last week when I was mining some parts for my Octane, I found a scrapper
who clarified me on this "6 grams of gold per Pentium Pro". In the truth,
there is 6 grams of gold in a KILO of pentium pro, as he said. He is a
mining technician, thats why he is so much after the gold in boards, go
figure! :o)
7:11 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
Anyone know where I can get a couple SGI drive sleds? I want to get drives
into my octane (I think it is)
7:30 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
Anyone know where I can get a couple SGI drive sleds?
I want to get
drives
into my octane (I think it is)
Geoffrey, in the nekochan forum (http://forums.nekochan.net) you can
find people selling and sometimes giving away free sleds and some hardware.
I was lucky, found some with drives in the supplier I bought my Octane
:)
Good luck and keep on touch about the octane!
Alexandre Souza (tabalabs on nekochan)
9:55 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
In article <C905BA98.2FA40%geoffr at zipcon.net>,
Geoffrey Reed <geoffr at zipcon.net> writes:
Anyone know where I can get a couple SGI drive sleds?
I want to get drives
into my octane (I think it is)
Octane drive sleds are interchangeable with Origin2K and Onyx2 drive
sleds. These are routinely sold in ebay.
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15 Nov
15 Nov
8:29 a.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
--- On Sun, 11/14/10, Geoffrey Reed <geoffr at zipcon.net> wrote:
Anyone know where I can get a couple
SGI drive sleds? I want to get drives
into my octane (I think it is)
I was never able to find drive sleds either. But I figured out that if you take a CD jewel
case, and slide it onto the rails in the computer, and put a drive on top of the case and
line it up with the backplane, it mates perfectly. You can use standard CD cases as sleds
for the top two drive connectors. For the bottom one, use a slimline jewel case and just
lay it on the bottom.
My machine has been running for years like this, with three drives.
-Ian
8:53 a.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
I had trouble getting enough sleds for my Origin 2000 and made some a few years ago. But
they're fairly easy to find at reasonable prices now, on our favourite auction site
;-)
Pete Turnbull
Network Manager, University of York
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On 15 Nov 2010, at 13:29, Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On Sun, 11/14/10, Geoffrey Reed <geoffr at
zipcon.net> wrote:
Anyone know where I can get a couple
SGI drive sleds? I want to get drives
into my octane (I think it is)
I was never able to find drive sleds either. But I figured out that if you take a CD
jewel case, and slide it onto the rails in the computer, and put a drive on top of the
case and line it up with the backplane, it mates perfectly. You can use standard CD cases
as sleds for the top two drive connectors. For the bottom one, use a slimline jewel case
and just lay it on the bottom.
My machine has been running for years like this, with three drives.
-Ian 
9:15 a.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
I was never able to find drive sleds either. But I
figured out that
if you take a CD jewel case, and slide it onto the rails in the
computer, and put a drive on top of the case and line it up with the
backplane, it mates perfectly. You can use standard CD cases as sleds
for the top two drive connectors. For the bottom one, use a slimline
jewel case and just lay it on the bottom.
I can comfirm that this does indeed work, as I have done similar when I
was upgrading the drive in My Octane and only had one sled.
Cheers.
Phill.
12:40 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
> I was never able to find drive sleds either. But I figured out that
> if you take a CD jewel case, and slide it onto the rails in the
> computer, and put a drive on top of the case and line it up with the
> backplane, it mates perfectly.
I can comfirm that this does indeed work, as I have
done similar when I
was upgrading the drive in My Octane and only had one sled.
Before I made a few sleds, I didn't even do that for my O2K -- just
slide in the drive, and put a small rubber window wedge under the front
edge. Crude, but effective, if the machine doesn't get moved about.
--
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Network Manager
University of York
11:34 a.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
In article <837102.39712.qm at web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> writes:
I was never able to find drive sleds either.
They are really common. I'm surprised you couldn't find any.
Of course, it all depends on where you look.
I've personally found sleds on ebay for:
- personal iris
- indy
- indigo^2
- onyx/crimson/vault
- onyx2/origin2k/octane
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2:20 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
I bought my octane sleds off ebay, sometime in the past year. I think I paid
$10 because it came out of a onyx2/origin2k that was parted out
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <837102.39712.qm at web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>,
Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> writes:
I was never able to find drive sleds either.
They are really common. I'm surprised you couldn't find any.
Of course, it all depends on where you look.
I've personally found sleds on ebay for:
- personal iris
- indy
- indigo^2
- onyx/crimson/vault
- onyx2/origin2k/octane
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16 Nov
16 Nov
12:32 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
In article <AANLkTim14ZpxJoD6uiFE_uQqYO0QNzRmKUfU0Kiz2=xP at mail.gmail.com>,
joe lobocki <jlobocki at gmail.com> writes:
I bought my octane sleds off ebay, sometime in the
past year. I think I paid
$10 because it came out of a onyx2/origin2k that was parted out
$10 seems to be the typical price for one of these sleds, although if
you're patient you can find better deals.
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1:45 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
Just going from memory here, as I divested myself of SGIs some time ago, but
don't most of the old models' sleds also convert the interface to some
proprietary SGI connector?
2 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
In article <AANLkTi=pxk3w5cvSSbBKCGBbAeq0-XnM5fPmyq=_Nxa5 at mail.gmail.com>,
Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> writes:
Just going from memory here, as I divested myself of
SGIs some time ago, but
don't most of the old models' sleds also convert the interface to some
proprietary SGI connector?
Correct. However, the O2K/Octane sleds use standard SCA 80-pin connectors.
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5:04 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Correct. ?However, the O2K/Octane sleds use standard
SCA 80-pin connectors.
Ahh....well huzzah to SGI for finally figuring that out then :) Not
of much use for the Iris crowd, tho.
6:46 p.m.
New subject: SGI drive sleds.
In article <AANLkTi=EB1Hoz1CQNB1BHQtqzicqTfxEtojV7Du2b6Z0 at mail.gmail.com>,
Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Richard <legalize
at xmission.com> wrote:
I think they were using this kind of latch-in connector on sleds
before SCA 80-pin was standardized, though. IIRC, they switched when
SCA-80 was adopted.
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Correct. However, the O2K/Octane sleds use
standard SCA 80-pin connectors.
Ahh....well huzzah to SGI for finally figuring that out then :) Not
of much use for the Iris crowd, tho.
14 Nov
14 Nov
10:24 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Ugh, I think I am going to be sick...
Read somewhere a PPro weights 87.37 grams each ( a bit heavy), so 1 KG is
11.4 PPro chips. So 6 grams of gold would be around .52 grams of gold per
chip going by what you said. A few websites are saying a PPro has about 1
gram of gold, even at .52 grams they have more value as scrap then most
people would pay to use them. There is a heck of a lot more gold in a PPro
then in circuit boards in general, same with other ceramic 486-Pentium
chips.
When I junked a bunch of bad circuit boards I
dealt with a local scrapper
who gave me around $1.50 a pound, that guy would get huge boxes full
(that sat on a skid) before a truck came and picked up his lot and that
might have gone to another guy before the refinery. Everything was
seperated and old CPUs were worth the most.
Last week when I was mining some parts for my Octane, I found a
scrapper who clarified me on this "6 grams of gold per Pentium Pro". In
the truth, there is 6 grams of gold in a KILO of pentium pro, as he said.
He is a mining technician, thats why he is so much after the gold in
boards, go figure! :o) 
9:33 p.m.
On Sunday, November 14, 2010, William Donzelli wrote:
The place I've used (I got their name from Purdue's surplus store),
charges $1/lb to refine stuff, and a minimum charge of 500lbs.
Pat
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Why to people
sell them on ebay? instead of taking them directly to
the refineries.
Generally, you need a minimum of a ton of boards, or a few hundred
pounds of chips.
9:46 p.m.
The place I've used (I got their name from
Purdue's surplus store),
charges $1/lb to refine stuff, and a minimum charge of 500lbs.
Other places have a flat refining fee, then take a share of the metal output.
Either way, it only pays off if large amounts are done at once.
--
Will
9:59 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Ugh, I think I am going to be sick...
What kind of profits can be had for 500lbs of boards?
The place
I've used (I got their name from Purdue's surplus store),
charges $1/lb to refine stuff, and a minimum charge of 500lbs.
Other places have a flat refining fee, then take a share of the metal
output.
Either way, it only pays off if large amounts are done at once.
--
Will
10:38 p.m.
On Sunday, November 14, 2010, Teo Zenios wrote:
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Ugh, I think I am going to be sick...
What kind of profits can be had for 500lbs of boards?
It depends on what you have. :)
I got about $3.50/lb for my last load of stuff, which was a pretty
random mix of stuff (everything from PC motherboards to old UNIX systems
to boards out of random scientific equipment). Nothing particularly
rare, though. :)
Pat
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Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
The place
I've used (I got their name from Purdue's surplus
store), charges $1/lb to refine stuff, and a minimum charge of
500lbs.
Other places have a flat refining fee, then take a share of the
metal output.
Either way, it only pays off if large amounts are done at once.
--
Will
11:01 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat at computer-refuge.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: Ugh, I think I am going to be sick...
On Sunday, November 14, 2010, Teo Zenios wrote:
So do they refine the stuff while you wait or mail you a check afterwards?
They salvage just copper and gold or do they get anything else out of it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Ugh, I think I am going to be sick...
What kind of profits can be had for 500lbs of boards?
It depends on what you have. :)
I got about $3.50/lb for my last load of stuff, which was a pretty
random mix of stuff (everything from PC motherboards to old UNIX systems
to boards out of random scientific equipment). Nothing particularly
rare, though. :)
Pat
--
Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org The place
I've used (I got their name from Purdue's surplus
store), charges $1/lb to refine stuff, and a minimum charge of
500lbs.
Other places have a flat refining fee, then take a share of the
metal output.
Either way, it only pays off if large amounts are done at once.
--
Will
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