16 Sep
2013
16 Sep
'13
6:17 p.m.
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been able to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Was hoping someone might recognize it, or could point me in the right
direction about finding a manual for it, or knowing what it's capabilities
are (besides it obviously being a serial terminal). I've not even turned
it on yet, wanting to find some more information about it first.
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or anything close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
Any help would be appreciated!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rlb1j1jcqqwffrf/t-O8t_8_L4
T
?hanks,
?
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
16 Sep
16 Sep
9:22 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com> wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been able
to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Interesting. I have several C.Itoh 101 and 101e terminals, but even
though there's
a superficial resemblance between the 101 and the 467, I see several external
differences. The 101 has a keyboard that resembles the DEC VT-1xx terminal
(but is not interchangable) right down to the 1/4" jack on the back of
the terminal,
and there appears to be some sort of adjustment on the back of the 467 that
the 101 does not have.
I've not even turned it on yet, wanting to find
some more information about it first.
If I had one, I would turn it on and see what the setup menu looks like and
what features can be enabled or disabled.
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or anything
close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
It's certainly a model I've never heard of before.
-ethan
9:35 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
There are a few references out there to color and graphics modes on
this model. Turn it on!! :)
I've not
even turned it on yet, wanting to find some more information about it first.
If I had one, I would turn it on and see what the setup menu looks like and
what features can be enabled or disabled. 
17 Sep
17 Sep
6:04 a.m.
Thanks for the info everyone. Yes, I am pretty sure I have a keyboard, but
need to do some digging to find it. If this is a color terminal, I would
be really excited. I've never had a color serial terminal before (Well, I
don't count winterm/thin-clients connected to VGA monitors ;) )
I'll dig out the keyboard (hopefully) and try to test this tonight -- I
need to test an Altos 8000 someone on the list is interested in anyways, so
I can test both at the same time for double the fun.
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Garrett Meiers <me
at garrettmeiers.com>
wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been
able to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Interesting. I have several C.Itoh 101 and 101e terminals, but even
though there's
a superficial resemblance between the 101 and the 467, I see several
external
differences. The 101 has a keyboard that resembles the DEC VT-1xx terminal
(but is not interchangable) right down to the 1/4" jack on the back of
the terminal,
and there appears to be some sort of adjustment on the back of the 467 that
the 101 does not have.
I've not even turned it on yet, wanting to
find some more information
about it first.
If I had one, I would turn it on and see what the setup menu looks like and
what features can be enabled or disabled.
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or
anything close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
It's certainly a model I've never heard of before.
-ethan
25 Sep
25 Sep
2:45 p.m.
In article <CAGX+B9v6QdNNRT=ojJ6rat915U3ZfUOJY6-z=LA+-PRr2QLfKg at mail.gmail.com>,
Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com> writes:
Thanks for the info everyone. Yes, I am pretty sure I
have a keyboard, but
need to do some digging to find it. If this is a color terminal, I would
be really excited. I've never had a color serial terminal before (Well, I
don't count winterm/thin-clients connected to VGA monitors ;) )
It most likely uses Tektronix 410x/420x escape sequences as they set
the standard for color raster graphics terminals.
--
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The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org>
The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org>
Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>
2:56 p.m.
In article <CAGX+B9v6QdNNRT=ojJ6rat915U3ZfUOJY6-z=LA+-PRr2QLfKg at mail.gmail.com>,
Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com> writes:
Thanks for the info everyone. Yes, I am pretty sure I
have a keyboard, but
need to do some digging to find it. If this is a color terminal, I would
be really excited. I've never had a color serial terminal before (Well, I
don't count winterm/thin-clients connected to VGA monitors ;) )
I'll dig out the keyboard (hopefully) and try to test this tonight -- I
need to test an Altos 8000 someone on the list is interested in anyways, so
I can test both at the same time for double the fun.
I hope you don't mind that I uploaded your pictures to the terminals
wiki and created a basic page for this terminal:
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/C._Itoh_CIT-467>
I credited you by name (but not email) on the pictures.
If you get it powered up and learn more about the terminal (supported
baud rates, emulation modes, etc.), please drop me an email and I'll
incorporate it into the wiki page.
Alternatively, I can create a wiki account for you and you can do the
edits.
--
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book
<http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org>
The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org>
Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>
4:08 p.m.
Great, thanks!
I was going to update the WIKI once I found more info, so far, haven't
found much.
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <CAGX+B9v6QdNNRT=ojJ6rat915U3ZfUOJY6-z=
LA+-PRr2QLfKg at mail.gmail.com>,
Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com> writes:
Thanks for the info everyone. Yes, I am pretty
sure I have a keyboard,
but
need to do some digging to find it. If this is
a color terminal, I
would
be really excited. I've never had a color
serial terminal before
(Well, I
don't count winterm/thin-clients connected to
VGA monitors ;) )
I'll dig out the keyboard (hopefully) and try to test this tonight -- I
need to test an Altos 8000 someone on the list is interested in anyways,
so
I can test both at the same time for double the
fun.
I hope you don't mind that I uploaded your pictures to the terminals
wiki and created a basic page for this terminal:
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/C._Itoh_CIT-467>
I credited you by name (but not email) on the pictures.
If you get it powered up and learn more about the terminal (supported
baud rates, emulation modes, etc.), please drop me an email and I'll
incorporate it into the wiki page.
Alternatively, I can create a wiki account for you and you can do the
edits.
--
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <
http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org>
The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org>
Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>
17 Sep
17 Sep
6:08 a.m.
Hi,
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com> wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been able
to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Sorry, can't help with that.
But I would like to point out that pictures and other info about this
terminal would make a nice addition to the Terminals wiki:
http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Category:C._Itoh
Have a nice day.
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
18 Sep
18 Sep
6:40 a.m.
Excellent! For some reason, I didn't know that existed... My bad.
The pictures I took were quick and dirty pictures... Mostly dirty.. I'll
clean up the terminal real nice, and update the wiki with pictures, and any
other information I find, as soon as I can.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com>
wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been
able to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Sorry, can't help with that.
But I would like to point out that pictures and other info about this
terminal would make a nice addition to the Terminals wiki:
http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Category:C._Itoh
Have a nice day.
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
17 Sep
17 Sep
6:53 a.m.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com> wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal....
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or anything close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
cie467
http://osr600doc.sco.com/man/html.M/terminals.M.html
- or -
(quoted from http://bcmccoy.com/unix41gcp45.txt)
#* @(#) &(#) CIE467.GCP 1 20-Nov-95 *#
###########################################################################
# C-ITOH 467 Graphics Terminal in Tektronix 4010/4014 mode #
# Created: XXX-XX/XX/XX Modified: XXX-91/02/05 Verified: XXX-XX/XX/XX #
# Minor changes from tek4010 entry. #
###########################################################################
cie467-4010|C-ITOH 467 in Tektronix 4010/4014 mode:\
:mi=\E2J\035:\
:mt=\E2\E\"0g:\
:sd=tek4010:
CIE467-4010|C-ITOH 467 in Tektronix 4010/4014 mode:\
:sd=cie467-4010:
###########################################################################
# C-ITOH 467 Graphics Terminal in Tektronix 4027 mode #
# Created: XXX-XX/XX/XX Modified: XXX-91/02/05 Verified: XXX-XX/XX/XX #
# Unique entry. #
# Subordinate entries: #
# cie467f - Uses fill patterns and color, instead of crosshatching. #
###########################################################################
cie467|C-ITOH 467 in Tektronix 4027 mode:\
:eA=\033)0:as=\016:ae=\017:\
:cg=32/120/113/113/113/120/120/46/109/108/106/107/110\
/116/117/119/118/32/110:\
:ls#8:pw#0:pf#2:\
:ld#1:rd#639:td#432:bd#0:\
:mi=\E[2J\E1\EO:gi=!GRA 1 32\r:\
:mt=\E[2J:gt=!ERA G\r!BYE\r\E\014\E2:\
:pa=!VEC 0,0\r!COL C0\r !STR \"Press <RETURN> to continue \"\r:\
:co#17:\
:cm=0/1/2/4/3/6/5/0/7/7/1/2/4/3/6/5/0/7:\
:sb="!ERA G C %u\r",a:cc="!COL C%u\r",a:\
:l0=!LIN 1\r:l1=!LIN 3\r:l2=!LIN 2\r:l3=!LIN 5\r:l4=!LIN 4\r:\
:ds="!VEC %3u %3u %3u %3u\r",a,b,c,d:\
:ms="!VEC %3u %3u\r",a,b:\
:cf="!COL C%u C%u\r",a,attr(1):gb=!POL :gs="%3u %3u ",a,b:\
:pl#1:sc#1:ge="%3u %3u\r",a,b:\
:dz#1:fn#1:cs#1:ot="!STR\"%c\"\r",a:
CIE467|C-ITOH 467 in Tektronix 4027 mode:\
:sd=cie467:
cie467f|C-ITOH 467 with (fill patterns,color):\
:pl#3:pf#2:pg#48:\
:sd=cie467:
CIE467F|C-ITOH 467 with (fill patterns,color):\
:sd=cie467f:
This confirms what I expected - the 467 emulates a specific model of
Tektronix terminal, the 4027 (with B&W support for the 4010/4014), but
it has its own entry because it's not a 100% clone.
Coming from the PC world where you are expected to have a graphics
card and 101-key keyboard, Linux is not famous for terminal support.
I haven't done a lot with graphics terminals on UNIX systems, but we
used to have to maintain rather extensive termcap entries in the 1980s
when terminals were a daily-use item. Mostly, I used real DEC and
very close DEC clones, but occasionally, usually at Uni, there was an
oddball here or there that required a tweaked entry. It really
mattered for full-screen text editors and curses games.
Enjoy,
-ethan
25 Sep
25 Sep
3:02 p.m.
In article <CAALmim=b1NA7yROE4y457-knGN49e37zeWpGkPGe-hF-n6Yujw at mail.gmail.com>,
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Garrett Meiers <me
at garrettmeiers.com> wrote:
I've updated the wiki with this info, thanks.
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal....
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or anything close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
cie467
[...]
This confirms what I expected - the 467 emulates a specific model of
Tektronix terminal, the 4027 (with B&W support for the 4010/4014), but
it has its own entry because it's not a 100% clone. I haven't done a lot with graphics terminals on
UNIX systems, [...]
terminfo/termcap doesn't support graphics at all. Generally you used
some sort of graphics library like GKS or PHIGS which came with a
driver for your terminal type. In DEC GKS it is possible to add
support for your own terminal types by writing such a driver and
configuring GKS to use it.
In traditional unix the 'plot' command with a suitable -T argument
value could be used to generate plots with the appropriate ESC
sequences for a particular terminal type.
--
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book
<http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org>
The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org>
Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>
19 Sep
19 Sep
3 p.m.
I have it from the former VP of engineering for CIE that it is a dec
compatable, and he thinks maybe tektronix graphic capability. Maybe we
can find more info.
it's been a lot of years and dying brain matter since he worked there,
but we will try to get more info.
thanks
Jim
On 9/16/2013 6:17 PM, Garrett Meiers wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been able
to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Was hoping someone might recognize it, or could point me in the right
direction about finding a manual for it, or knowing what it's capabilities
are (besides it obviously being a serial terminal). I've not even turned
it on yet, wanting to find some more information about it first.
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or anything close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
Any help would be appreciated!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rlb1j1jcqqwffrf/t-O8t_8_L4
T
?hanks,
?
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
9:05 p.m.
Thank Jim. I appreciate anything you can dig up!
From what I've found so far, it does support
Tektronix 4014 and 4027
emulation, and appears to be color. I would love a
Owners/Installation
manual and a service manual. :) But, anything you can find would be
extremely helpful.
Thanks,
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Jim Stephens <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
I have it from the former VP of engineering for CIE
that it is a dec
compatable, and he thinks maybe tektronix graphic capability. Maybe we can
find more info.
it's been a lot of years and dying brain matter since he worked there, but
we will try to get more info.
thanks
Jim
On 9/16/2013 6:17 PM, Garrett Meiers wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been
able to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Was hoping someone might recognize it, or could point me in the right
direction about finding a manual for it, or knowing what it's capabilities
are (besides it obviously being a serial terminal). I've not even turned
it on yet, wanting to find some more information about it first.
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or anything close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
Any help would be appreciated!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/**rlb1j1jcqqwffrf/t-O8t_8_L4<https://www.drop…
T
?hanks,
?
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
21 Sep
21 Sep
9:52 a.m.
Well, I found the keyboard last night for this, and fired it up. It
works! And color! I'll be hooking this up to a host later and testing
it out further.
I must say, that the Tektronix 4014 came with a 19" screen, and this C.ITOH
screen is tiny! But, I guess that's why the C.ITOH was an affordable
alternative...
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com>wrote:
Thank Jim. I appreciate anything you can dig up!
From what I've found so far, it does support Tektronix 4014 and 4027
emulation, and appears to be color. I would love a Owners/Installation
manual and a service manual. :) But, anything you can find would be
extremely helpful.
Thanks,
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Jim Stephens <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
I have it from the former VP of engineering for
CIE that it is a dec
compatable, and he thinks maybe tektronix graphic capability. Maybe we can
find more info.
it's been a lot of years and dying brain matter since he worked there,
but we will try to get more info.
thanks
Jim
On 9/16/2013 6:17 PM, Garrett Meiers wrote:
I have a C.Itoh CIT-467 Terminal. I've been
able to find almost nothing
about it on the Intrawebz.
Was hoping someone might recognize it, or could point me in the right
direction about finding a manual for it, or knowing what it's
capabilities
are (besides it obviously being a serial terminal). I've not even
turned
it on yet, wanting to find some more information about it first.
I don't have a termcap entry for it, or anything close to it, on a few
Linux systems I've checked.
Any help would be appreciated!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/**rlb1j1jcqqwffrf/t-O8t_8_L4<https://www.drop…
T
?hanks,
?
Garrett Meiers
www.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
25 Sep
25 Sep
3:05 p.m.
In article <CAGX+B9sE1YSt4a4hajD__2MdvBU9B9DhjCOaCQj3boog9SJU2g at mail.gmail.com>,
Garrett Meiers <me at garrettmeiers.com> writes:
I must say, that the Tektronix 4014 came with a
19" screen, and this C.ITOH
screen is tiny! But, I guess that's why the C.ITOH was an affordable
alternative...
The 4010/4014 support is going to map the full range of coordinates
for those terminals to some subarea of the CIT-467 raster image and
you're going to lose resolution. (Tek 4014 had 4Kx4K addressable
points; this terminal most likely has 640x480 resolution or something
comparable.)
--
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