22 Mar
2006
22 Mar
'06
9:58 p.m.
in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an
answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of
multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
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2:44 a.m.
On 3/22/06, Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> wrote:
in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an
answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of
multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Megatrends_Incorporated
AMI's boasts the following achievements:
.First to build motherboards based on Intel's 386 and 486 processor
platforms;
.First to use onboard external cache designs for these boards;
What I have may be the second; What I bought from ebay just know may be the
first. Maybe they excluded Compaq because that was "computer" and not
"motherboard".
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On 3/22/06, Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an
>answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of
>multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
>like that could possibly qualify).
>
Micro 5 built the Microstar probably 2 years before any PC came out,
and it ran business basic, which they purchased. It used a 8086 and ran
a home grown multi user system.
They later built a 286 clone, and wrote their own bios, and support package
before being bought out by Samsung.
as to an 8088 clone, which would be a clone of the IBM pc, there was a
company here in Orange county, actually a guy in the back of a junk shop
that had a clone 8088 board that would run the IBM original PC eproms,
or copies after you copied them properly, or ran with a very early AMI
bios. IIRC, he was getting about $250 for a board or $450 built up.
It was called Supercompter.
Jim
2:54 p.m.
I suspect the early clone award has to go to someone like Netronics R&D who
offered ISA-slotted mobo kits that did not feature graphics adapters of any
sort--output was intented to be RS232 to a terminal. I think I have some
circuit diagrams and literature from them in my files.
The first AT clone award candidate might be Faraday with their "A Tease"
mobo. Featured a 6 MHz 286, but with serial and parallel ports on the
mobo. I had one for a very long time before it developed serious problems.
I still have the circuit diagrams.
Cheers,
Chuck
6:33 a.m.
On 3/22/2006 at 6:58 PM Chris M wrote:
in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an
answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of
multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100
makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that.
Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC.
As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples
of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity
would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out very
early. I don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix
port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before
that--just nothing to run on it.
By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for PCs,
so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I
don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes were also
out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required replacement
of the mobo?
Cheers,
Chuck
11:31 a.m.
At 03:33 AM 3/23/06 -0800, you wrote:
On 3/22/2006 at 6:58 PM Chris M wrote:
>in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an
>answer
Why do you say that??? Intel developed the 8088 and 8086 so I'd find it
surprising if anyone else beat them to the market with a computer based on
those CPUs. Contrary to popular opinion, Intel build complete Single Board
computers and even COMPLETE computers* and not just ICs and experimenter
boards. The Series III MDS from Intel was a Series II MDS model 2xx with
the addition of a 8086 or 8088 processor card. I STRONGLY suspect that
these were THE first 8086/8088 based computers. Not only because Intel had
a head start on everyone else but also because these WERE Development
systems and they were intended for use in designing/building/testing other
computer designs. Somewhere in my literature I amy have a date for the
8088/8088 cards for the MDS systems but I know the MDS 2xx itself
definitely predates the 8088/8086 and all it would have taken Intel to do
to be the first on the market would be to design one additional card.
FWIW I also have another computer that probably comes CLOSE to being the
first 8086 computer on the market. It's Rubicon computer and it uses an
8086 CPU with an 8089 IO Processor, a (mumble-mumble) ECC memory controller
from Intel and 256k of bank-switched memory. It runs
CPM-86 amd it's design
appears to come straight out of the Intel data books.
It's the only
computer other than an Intel that I've ever seen that uses the 8089 IO
processor and that ECC memory controller.
*I personally have three Series III MDS machines and at least a dozen
Intel 86/330 computers. the 86/330 is a complete computer and uses a 8086 CPU.
Joe
(although I do recall seeing pictures of
multibus type
boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100
makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that.
Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC.
As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples
of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity
would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out very
early. I don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix
port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before
that--just nothing to run on it.
By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for PCs,
so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I
don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes were also
out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required replacement
of the mobo?
Cheers,
Chuck
6:27 p.m.
On 3/23/2006 at 4:31 PM Joe R. wrote:
replacement
Why do you say that??? Intel developed the 8088 and
8086 so I'd find
it
surprising if anyone else beat them to the market with
a computer based on
those CPUs.
Yes, the MDS with the 8086 board in it was very early, no doubt about
it--and I said so (having used one when it came out).
But here starts the hair-splitting. Does a development system targeted for
developers count? I don't know--I didn't invent this game. Who came out
with the first Z80 computer? IIRC, there were isolated S-100 cards before
there were complete systems--do they count as computers?
Or, to put an even finer edge on it, was the first V20 computer created by
the first guy to replace the 8088 in his PC with one?
In retrospect, things happened pretty quickly back then. We'd like to
think that the IBM PC with 64K and one floppy was supplanted by the XT with
its hard disk, but in fact, for a time, both were being advertised and sold
by IBM (along with the PC Jr.).
Cheers,
Chuck
Contrary to popular opinion, Intel build complete Single Board
computers and even COMPLETE computers* and not just ICs
and experimenter
boards. The Series III MDS from Intel was a Series II MDS model 2xx with
the addition of a 8086 or 8088 processor card. I STRONGLY suspect that
these were THE first 8086/8088 based computers. Not only because Intel had
a head start on everyone else but also because these WERE Development
systems and they were intended for use in designing/building/testing other
computer designs. Somewhere in my literature I amy have a date for the
8088/8088 cards for the MDS systems but I know the MDS 2xx itself
definitely predates the 8088/8086 and all it would have taken Intel to do
to be the first on the market would be to design one additional card.
FWIW I also have another computer that probably comes CLOSE to being
the
first 8086 computer on the market. It's Rubicon
computer and it uses an
8086 CPU with an 8089 IO Processor, a (mumble-mumble) ECC memory
controller
from Intel and 256k of bank-switched memory. It runs
CPM-86 amd it's
design
appears to come straight out of the Intel data books.
It's the only
computer other than an Intel that I've ever seen that uses the 8089 IO
processor and that ECC memory controller.
*I personally have three Series III MDS machines and at least a dozen
Intel 86/330 computers. the 86/330 is a complete computer and uses a 8086
CPU.
Joe
(although I do recall seeing pictures of
>>multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
>>like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
>>sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
>>established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
>>dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
>>I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
>>first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
>>numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
>
>I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100
>makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that.
>Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC.
>
>As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples
>of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity
>would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out
very
early. I
don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix
port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before
that--just nothing to run on it.
By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for
PCs,
>so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I
>don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes were
also
>out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required >of the mobo?
>
>Cheers,
>Chuck
>
>
1:50 p.m.
At 03:27 PM 3/23/06 -0800, you wrote:
On 3/23/2006 at 4:31 PM Joe R. wrote:
Since he asked what was the first 8086/8088 computer I'd say that it does
count. However I noticed that the discussion quickly shifted to HOME
computers and ignored development systems and other COMMERCAIL systems.
I don't know--I didn't invent this game. Who came out
Why do you say that??? Intel developed the
8088 and 8086 so I'd find
it
surprising if anyone else beat them to the market
with a computer based on
those CPUs.
Yes, the MDS with the 8086 board in it was very early, no doubt about
it--and I said so (having used one when it came out).
But here starts the hair-splitting. Does a development system targeted for
developers count? with the first Z80 computer?
Probably the Zilog ZDS IMO. But most people have never heard of them so
they'll vote for the IMSAI, Compupro or whatever they happened to have had.
Speaking of Z-80s, I have a COOL Z-80 system. It's a Dolch something. It
has plugins for burning EPROMs, Logic Analyzer, pattern generator and other
functions. It runs MPM and has SEVEN Z-80s! It can run up to 16 processes
simulatanously and pass data from one process to another. In one example
that they give, you can have one operating the LA and another disassembling
the data from it and another outputing the data to a printer and another
operting the disk drives. It's a COOL system. I've figured out a lot of it
but I'd love to find a manual for it.
Joe
IIRC, there were isolated S-100 cards before
there were complete systems--do they count as
computers?
Or, to put an even finer edge on it, was the first V20 computer created by
the first guy to replace the 8088 in his PC with one?
In retrospect, things happened pretty quickly back then. We'd like to
think that the IBM PC with 64K and one floppy was supplanted by the XT with
its hard disk, but in fact, for a time, both were being advertised and sold
by IBM (along with the PC Jr.).
Cheers,
Chuck
Contrary to popular opinion, Intel build complete Single Board
replacement
computers and even COMPLETE computers* and not
just ICs and experimenter
boards. The Series III MDS from Intel was a Series II MDS model 2xx with
the addition of a 8086 or 8088 processor card. I STRONGLY suspect that
these were THE first 8086/8088 based computers. Not only because Intel had
a head start on everyone else but also because these WERE Development
systems and they were intended for use in designing/building/testing other
computer designs. Somewhere in my literature I amy have a date for the
8088/8088 cards for the MDS systems but I know the MDS 2xx itself
definitely predates the 8088/8086 and all it would have taken Intel to do
to be the first on the market would be to design one additional card.
FWIW I also have another computer that probably comes CLOSE to being
the
first 8086 computer on the market. It's
Rubicon computer and it uses an
8086 CPU with an 8089 IO Processor, a (mumble-mumble) ECC memory
controller
from Intel and 256k of bank-switched memory. It
runs CPM-86 amd it's
design
appears to come straight out of the Intel data
books. It's the only
computer other than an Intel that I've ever seen that uses the 8089 IO
processor and that ECC memory controller.
*I personally have three Series III MDS machines and at least a dozen
Intel 86/330 computers. the 86/330 is a complete computer and uses a 8086
CPU.
Joe
(although I do recall seeing pictures of
>>multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
>>like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
>>sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
>>established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
>>dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
>>I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
>>first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
>>numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
>
>I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100
>makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that.
>Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC.
>
>As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples
>of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity
>would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out
very
early. I
don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix
port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before
that--just nothing to run on it.
By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for
PCs,
>so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I
>don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes were
also
>out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required >of the mobo?
>
>Cheers,
>Chuck
>
>
7:09 p.m.
At 06:50 PM 3/23/2006 +0000, you wrote:
At 03:27 PM 3/23/06 -0800, you wrote:
Dolch musta been big on special-purpose machines. For years, a Dolch
"portable" in a darth-vader's-lunchbox style was The Standard for the
Network General Sniffer. Ran Win NT 4 on it, usually. Had a special NIC in
it that could be put into promiscuous mode by the software, so you could
sniff everything on the wire. We had one with about 3 usable PCI slots,
filled with an interface for T1 work, a 10BaseT card, and a Madge
Token-Ring card. I think it was about US$10k.
On 3/23/2006 at 4:31 PM Joe R. wrote:
Since he asked what was the first 8086/8088 computer I'd say that it does
count. However I noticed that the discussion quickly shifted to HOME
computers and ignored development systems and other COMMERCAIL systems.
I don't know--I didn't invent this game. Who came out
Why do you say that??? Intel developed the
8088 and 8086 so I'd find
it
surprising if anyone else beat them to the market
with a computer based on
those CPUs.
Yes, the MDS with the 8086 board in it was very early, no doubt about
it--and I said so (having used one when it came out).
But here starts the hair-splitting. Does a development system targeted for
developers count? with the first Z80 computer?
Probably the Zilog ZDS IMO. But most people have never heard of them so
they'll vote for the IMSAI, Compupro or whatever they happened to have had.
Speaking of Z-80s, I have a COOL Z-80 system. It's a Dolch something. It
has plugins for burning EPROMs, Logic Analyzer, pattern generator and other
functions. It runs MPM and has SEVEN Z-80s! It can run up to 16 processes
simulatanously and pass data from one process to another. In one example
that they give, you can have one operating the LA and another disassembling
the data from it and another outputing the data to a printer and another
operting the disk drives. It's a COOL system. I've figured out a lot of it
but I'd love to find a manual for it.
Joe IIRC, there were isolated S-100 cards before
>there were complete systems--do they count as computers?
>
>Or, to put an even finer edge on it, was the first V20 computer created by
>the first guy to replace the 8088 in his PC with one?
>
>In retrospect, things happened pretty quickly back then. We'd like to
>think that the IBM PC with 64K and one floppy was supplanted by the XT with
>its hard disk, but in fact, for a time, both were being advertised and sold
>by IBM (along with the PC Jr.).
>
>Cheers,
>Chuck
>
>
>
>Contrary to popular opinion, Intel build complete Single Board
>>computers and even COMPLETE computers* and not just ICs and experimenter
>>boards. The Series III MDS from Intel was a Series II MDS model 2xx with
>>the addition of a 8086 or 8088 processor card. I STRONGLY suspect that
>>these were THE first 8086/8088 based computers. Not only because Intel had
>>a head start on everyone else but also because these WERE Development
>>systems and they were intended for use in designing/building/testing other
>>computer designs. Somewhere in my literature I amy have a date for the
>>8088/8088 cards for the MDS systems but I know the MDS 2xx itself
>>definitely predates the 8088/8086 and all it would have taken Intel to do
>>to be the first on the market would be to design one additional card.
>>
>> FWIW I also have another computer that probably comes CLOSE to being
>the
>>first 8086 computer on the market. It's Rubicon computer and it uses an
>>8086 CPU with an 8089 IO Processor, a (mumble-mumble) ECC memory
>controller
>>from Intel and 256k of bank-switched memory. It runs CPM-86 amd it's
>design
>>appears to come straight out of the Intel data books. It's the only
>>computer other than an Intel that I've ever seen that uses the 8089 IO
>>processor and that ECC memory controller.
>>
>> *I personally have three Series III MDS machines and at least a dozen
>>Intel 86/330 computers. the 86/330 is a complete computer and uses a 8086
>>CPU.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>(although I do recall seeing pictures of
>>>>multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
>>>>like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
>>>>sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
>>>>established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
>>>>dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
>>>>I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
>>>>first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
>>>>numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
>>>
>>>I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100
>>>makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that.
>>>Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC.
>>>
>>>As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples
>>>of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity
>>>would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out
>very
>>>early. I don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix
>>>port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before
>>>that--just nothing to run on it.
>>>
>>>By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for
>>PCs,
>>>so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I
>>>don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes
were also
>>>out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required
>replacement
>>>of the mobo?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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On 3/23/06, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
The PS/2 386 boxes were also
out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required replacement
of the mobo?
The PS/2 Model 50 was an 80286.
I wasn't aware of any recalls on 'em, but then, they came out just
before I started my 1st job. They launched in 1987, the year of
release of the 80386DX, but I'm fairly sure several others beat IBM to
the punch.
The first 386 PC I can remember was a Compaq, but there's this vague
memory of an ALR that marginally predated it. The first 486 PC, I
think, was an Apricot, but again, that might just be the 1st I saw.
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On 3/28/2006 at 7:16 PM Liam Proven wrote:
The PS/2 Model 50 was an 80286.
I checked my old records.
Right memory, wrong model. I dropped a bit. It was the 8570 (Model 70)
and it was ECA 021. Nasty memory problem resulting in a 110 error. IBM
would replace the mobo only if you complained loudly enough.
Cheers,
Chuck
5:59 p.m.
New subject: IBM PC BIOS error codes (was: who built the first 8086/88 based puter?)
In article <200603281420360141.0B34ED91 at 10.0.0.252>,
"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Right memory, wrong model. I dropped a bit. It was
the 8570 (Model 70)
and it was ECA 021. Nasty memory problem resulting in a 110 error. IBM
would replace the mobo only if you complained loudly enough.
Speaking of inscrutable error codes from IBM BIOS, in the big
equipment purge of 2006 at work I obtained a number of IBM PC model
350 and 365s. In my various disassembling and re-assembling of pieces
amongst these systems to make a smaller number of maximally configured
systems I occasionally get an inscrutable error code form the BIOS.
Does anyone know if there are manuals for these models online? I
tried searching IBM's web site, but immediately got lost in the
large amount of irrelevant results.
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9:23 a.m.
I was the technical editor for Cadence Mag in those days, and reviewed a lot of hardware.
As a hardware reviewer for a monthly AutoCAD news rag, I reviewed and collected a lot of
early poweruser systems and graphic co-processors.
Redraw and regen times on large drawings was all everyone in the CAD world cared about in
the early days.
I had a 386/16 ARL several months before Compaq could get the Deskpro 386 to the point
they could they sent me one to review.
Still have my original ARL in storage. Had to send the Deskpro back after the eval period
but I picked one up a few years later. I think it is still in attic.
I am sure the Zenith Z100 was the first 8085/8088 dual processor production system that
ran both processors at the same time.
It booted both CP/M and Z/DOS (msdos), CP/M 86 came along sometime later for it.
Depending on the OS you booted, it would use the other processor for I/O.
Serial #2 from the lab complete with a ton of blue and yellow wire mods is packed away up
in the attic along with a later production system.
SD Systems had the first multy processor Z80 system using the second processor to control
a 4 port intelligent buffered I/O card.
along with the memory mapped console it supported provided 5 users 4 serial monitors and
the console. When Morrows came out with the
M26 harddrive it was the king, till Altos came out with a low cost production system a few
years later.
It used an early banked switched 64k card that when stacked 4 deep support. 5 banks of 48k
with 16k common for MPM.
Still have my original in the basement Not sure where the M26 ended up, though :(
The First 8086 I worked on was intel multibus, ran the MDBS database operating system.
I think it was originally to run on an IBM Series 1. It was an database application
called LISA for law enviroment.
First 80186 I saw was a card for an IBM pc about a year before the AT came out.
It was all so long ago :)
later
Bob Bradlee
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:58:18 -0800 (PST), Chris M wrote:
in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an
answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of
multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
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--- Bob Bradlee <Bob at BRADLEE.ORG> wrote:
I was the technical editor for Cadence Mag in those
days, and reviewed a lot of hardware.
As a hardware reviewer for a monthly AutoCAD news
rag, I reviewed and collected a lot of early
poweruser systems and graphic co-processors.
Redraw and regen times on large drawings was all
everyone in the CAD world cared about in the early
days.
I had a 386/16 ARL several months before Compaq
could get the Deskpro 386 to the point they could
they sent me one to review.
Still have my original ARL in storage. Had to send
the Deskpro back after the eval period but I picked
one up a few years later. I think it is still in
attic.
Aha, knew I was right! ;)
I am sure the Zenith Z100 was the first 8085/8088
dual processor production system that ran both
processors at the same time.
There was also the Rainbow and the Epson QX-16,
though the earlier QX-10 had an aftermarket (Titan)
8088 board that was reasonably compatible from what I
understand.
First 80186 I saw was a card for an IBM pc about a
year before the AT came out.
It was all so long ago :)
More then likely the Orchid Turbo-186. Got one
somewhere, just haven't seen it in a while. The '186
fell out too :(
Do still have my Vermont Microsystems dual graphics
card (80188 on board). Emulates CGA pretty well it
seems. No drivers for the advanced modes though :(
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:02:07 -0800 (PST), Chris M wrote:
--- Bob Bradlee <Bob at BRADLEE.ORG> wrote:
> I am sure the Zenith Z100 was the first 8085/8088
> dual processor production system that ran both
> processors at the same time.
There was also the Rainbow and the Epson QX-16,
though the earlier QX-10 had an aftermarket (Titan)
8088 board that was reasonably compatible from what I
understand.
I was thinking about it, I think the first CPM card for the Apple II kept the 6502 running
as an I/O processor.
Anyone out there remember for sure ?
> First 80186 I saw was a card for an IBM pc about
a
> year before the AT came out.
> It was all so long ago :)
More then likely the Orchid Turbo-186. Got one
somewhere, just haven't seen it in a while. The '186
fell out too :(
That was the one, I had forgotten its name.
Thanks .....
Bob Bradlee
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