Somewhere in storage I have the Byte Magazine that anounced that compuserve was concidering opening up their lines at night and weekends to hobiests at discounted rate that worked out to about 10 cents a minute, provided there was sufficent interest. I spotted it the day it arrived in the mail. It roped me in on my way to Chaos Manner, I had a 110 baud acustic coupler and a credit card, I was ready to rock. I called and got an account number along with an explinations that if it didn't happen for any reason, I would not be charged. I was contacted several weeks later when they hit the numbers they were looking for and decided to go live. I went online for the first time on that first night. Shortly there after I got a Hayes 300 S-100 card and then met up with Ward C and started running it at 450 baud for BBSing. I hated to have to slow it back down to 300 to access C$. I have lived here in Hilliard Ohio for many years and drive by a number of former compuserve buildings in the area, often when out shopping. Britton road is a great shortcut with very little trafic most of the time, plus it has two rotaries, or as some would say round-a-bouts, that are fun to drive fast when no one is around or looking :) I rarely see many cars in the lot over at C$ - Worldcom or now it has an MCI sign. Like the weather it will change again .... who knows mabe SBC will buy it up It has a lot of dark fiber passing in and out of that center, I watched as they built that place, In todays terms it has power and AC to host a big system sitting on multiple very fat pipes. There was a time before the internet when everyone who was anyone in the computer business had a C$ account, as that was the only way to get patches, fixes, and updates in a timely mannor. On this side of town a lot of people use to work at Compuserve, a few worked at Worldcom, and even less are or were with MCI, or has a relitave that did at one point in the time line. I was involved in the Autocad forum when it first started on C$, and watched it die over the years. At one point in time I had one of 3 RBBS systems that mirrored much of the Autocad forum download area for people who did not have C$ access. Wak ran one node here in Columbus, I ran the master in Chicago, and Shultzy kept one running in Oakland where our "people at Autodesk" posted things for us as a local call. The rules then was anything that was posted for public download on C$ was free to distribute. Items in private non public areas could only be DLed from C$ with special access and could not be shared, unless we recieved it officially with permission to post it, or it was publiclt posted on our BBS. We were all under non-disclosure on one or more official levels at the time, and did not abuse too it much :) What killed C$ was the idea that information was free and access was to be charged for based on baud rate, while at the same time dot bomb business models were being built around the concept access should be near free and as fast as possiable, content should be ad supported or sold on CD. The Autocad developer forum was/is an example. It evolved from the online distribution of hints and fixes, to being a profit center selling developers CD's and than back to an online mix when they created their own WEB and FTP site with multi-levels of access if you purchased the CD's. JohnQpublic will grudgeingly pay a flat monthly fee for access but unless it is porn they will not pay by the minute to chat and definately will not pay to get tech support. The merger/takeover by AOheL put a stake in the heart of C$ and killed it slow and sure, didn't help Time Warner much either, but at least they have a chance of spinning back off again. Sometimes it was/is sad to watch. Trivia Question .... What was the month and year of C$ startup anouncement ? and when did they pull the plug on CIS ? Just my 0.39 inflation adjusted Now back under my rock til' nextime, I feel verbose :) Bob Bradlee

Great stuff... Didn't Compuserve run entirely on 'clone' DECsystem 10's and/or 20's? This was what I heard years ago... is it a fable? David Barnes davebarnes AT adelphia DOT net OpenVMS , Tru64 , Solaris , Linux , OS X , SGI Irix On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Jules Richardson wrote:

Ethan Dicks wrote: Scarily enough, no: jules at moa:~$ telnet www.cs.com 80 Trying 149.174.32.7... Connected to cs.com. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.0 HTTP/1.0 302 Object moved Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:05:36 GMT Content-Length: 144 Content-Type: text/html Cache-Control: private Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 ... ... well, assuming that IIS hasn't been ported to non-Windows platforms, and assuming that they're not masking the true server type, anyway.

On Fri, January 12, 2007 11:03, Jules Richardson wrote: So THAT's why I keep seeing GET / HTTP/1.0 in my webserver logs! Time to hide the server ident on my own webserver or better still, tell the script kiddies it's a MICROS~1 web box.... -- adrian/witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UKs biggest home computer collection?

On 12 Jan 2007 at 17:04, Richard wrote: Nah, do what I do with my browser--make up some totally outlandish ident info, such as "Wrinkled Toad 57.3" Keep 'em guessing. :) Cheers, Chuck

My old FreeBSD box was setup in the old days to put out a telnet prompt of Username and I modified it to not let logins in from other than a couple of internet addresses from work. Took about 15 minutes to modify /bin/login and the gettytab and telnetd files. I loved looking at the logs. If I had a captive DCL environment chrooted I'd have let them in. 8-) I redirected the telnet and ssh to it from my firewall. The only external login that would work was an ssh on an unusual port. Bill On 1/12/07, Witchy <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> wrote:

On 1/11/07, William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote: I was working there when they replaced all of our CompuServe badges with AOL badges, changed the sign on the building and changed our pay dates from CIS to AOL's schedule. Talk about end of an era. -ethan

How did AOL treat its Compuserve employees and culture? There was always a lot of pissing and moaning about AOL in our group (ANS.NET), but I think that exists everywhere, regardless of how good or bad the masters were. In hindsight, we look back and now admit that AOL really was a decent company to work for. We, and our culture, were treated very well. The amount of BS was pretty minimal. Our end of an era came about (2nd end of an era for ANS, actually) when AOL sold our group off to Worldcom. Suprise announcement - only the very top knew, and kept it a secret. It was timed perfectly on the day we moved to a new building, and they had just (as in a day) put up the nifty AOL sign up in the lobby. Removed the next day, I think. Worldcom sucked. -- Will

Worldcom was good at this. In the space of two or three months, ANS turned very sour. Others I worked with later that were absorbed by Worldcom said the same thing - MCI, MFS, UUnet. I even remember Sidgmoor coming to our office, and everyone could sense he was a bitter man, after Ebbers gutted his company. -- Will