11 Jan
2008
11 Jan
'08
5:24 p.m.
... and was rewarded with a gift of 3 very rare Honewell Bull diskcartidges, which will go
a long way in keeping my Lilith running for a few more years.
And even more importantly, I got loaned all technical infomation on the Lilith : circuit
decription, schematics, microcode listings, you name it, it is there !
Expect scans shortly !
( and they have a nice Cray on display in their basement )
However I do feel somewhat stupid now, having spend quite a bit of time reversing
engineering my own Lilith....
Jos Dreesen
5:53 p.m.
Marcin Wichary wrote:
It is in the basement of the IFW building, for public viewing. A Lilith prototype
and a Ceres is on display in the groundfloor
Jos
( and they
have a nice Cray on display in their basement )
Is this available for general public, or do you have to arrange something
(or know somebody)?
7:04 p.m.
IFW? ETH? How about, "HUH?" :)
What are those?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel [mailto:jos.mar at bluewin.ch]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: Went down to the ETH today...
Marcin Wichary wrote:
It is in the basement of the IFW building, for public viewing. A Lilith
prototype and a Ceres is on display in the groundfloor
Jos
( and they
have a nice Cray on display in their basement )
Is this available for general public, or do you have to arrange
something (or know somebody)?
7:10 p.m.
http://www.ethz.ch/index_EN
On Jan 11, 2008 11:04 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> wrote:
IFW? ETH? How about, "HUH?" :)
What are those?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel [mailto:jos.mar at bluewin.ch]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:54 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Went down to the ETH today...
Marcin Wichary wrote:
It is in the basement of the IFW building, for public viewing. A Lilith
prototype and a Ceres is on display in the groundfloor
Jos
--
Marcin Wichary
Sr. user experience designer, Google
Graphical User Interface gallery >> www.guidebookgallery.org
( and
they have a nice Cray on display in their basement )
Is this available for general public, or do you have to arrange
something (or know somebody)?
7:36 p.m.
Evan Koblentz wrote:
IFW? ETH? How about, "HUH?" :)
ETH : Eidgenossiche Technische Hochschule or Technical university of Zurich in
Switzerland.
Think of it as the swiss MIT.
The ETH uses 3-letter words to name their buildings : IFW is the building for the
informatics department.
It where Wirth used to work.
I do not have an explanation for HUH
Jos Dreesen
10:09 p.m.
In article <000c01c85484$be9d5f60$f750f945 at evan>,
"Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net> writes:
IFW? ETH? How about, "HUH?" :)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETHZ>
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9:59 p.m.
In article <4787A665.9080900 at bluewin.ch>,
Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel <jos.mar at bluewin.ch> writes:
And even more importantly, I got loaned all technical
infomation on the Lilit
h : circuit decription, schematics, microcode listings, you
name it, it is ther
e !
Expect scans shortly !
*drool* Just what I need to be able to get my Eves in running order!
Hopefully you have some information on the monitors so I can get my
monitor working again? I also need information on the mouse/keyboard
interface as I have neither for my machines.
Do they have anything on Eves?
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12 Jan
12 Jan
12:06 p.m.
New subject: Lilith connectivity was : Went down to the ETH today...
Richard wrote:
*drool* Just what I need to be able to get my Eves in
running order!
I believe Eve's are rather different beasts (32b vs 16b)
Hopefully you have some information on the monitors so I can get my
monitor working again?
Nothing on the monitor itself, but my monitor is a
standard Ball WD17 unit, nothing special whatsoever ( has very slow fosfor though ) It
should not be that difficult to diagnose.
I also need information on the mouse/keyboard
interface as I have neither for my machines.
The keyboard is 7 bit ASCII with strobe signal, the mouse is straight qaudrature output.
I successfully used an Apollo mouse on the Lilith
I will send you an Eagle schematic for mouse & keyboard
Do they have anything on Eves?
No, I believe
that was an US only thing.
After the Lilith and Modula-2 the ETH went with Oberon and the Ceres-workstations.
I'd be very interested in some Eve pictures !
Jos
9:42 a.m.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
However I do feel somewhat stupid now, having spend
quite a bit of time
reversing engineering my own Lilith....
Don't feel stupid... the same happened to us here with our first LGP-30.
When we got the first in 1999 there wasn't any hardware documentation. In
order to understand and thus to be able to repair the machine we had
traced the complete wiring, drawn schematics of all the boards etc. You
learn an awful lot of things when you have to do all this instead of just
pokeing in the vendor-supplied maintenance manuals/schematics/.
One year later we received several binders with LGP-30 and LGP-21 manuals
from the manufacturer...
Christian
14 Jan
14 Jan
11:07 p.m.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
... and was rewarded with a gift of 3 very rare Honewell Bull diskcartidges,
which will go a long way in keeping my Lilith running for a few more years.
And even more importantly, I got loaned all technical infomation on the
Lilith : circuit decription, schematics, microcode listings, you name it, it
is there !
If you are able to get the Modula-2 technical reports and M-Code reference
manual, I will be forever grateful! Tried several times in the late 80's,
but none of my letters (pre-e-mail) were ever responded to. This stuff is
key to reverse engineering the Borland Turbo-Modula2 environment for CP/M.
Steve
--
15 Jan
15 Jan
9:02 p.m.
If you are able to get the Modula-2 technical reports
and M-Code
reference manual, I will be forever grateful! Tried several times in
the late 80's, but none of my letters (pre-e-mail) were ever responded
to. This stuff is key to reverse engineering the Borland Turbo-Modula2
environment for CP/M.
Did you have any report in particular in mind ?
The modula compiler for the Lilith has been ported to the PC,
source code for that compiler is available.
Is that what you had in mind ?
Jos
17 Jan
17 Jan
1:41 p.m.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
That would be a good start. This was so long ago that I don't remember
the titles and publication numbers, unfortunately. One of them was
specific to the M-Code format, though.
I looked in vain for some sort of catalog on the ETH web site. Do they
have something of that sort available? If I could look at a list of
papers and reports I'm sure the ones I need would be obvious.
Where can I find the PC compiler sources?
Steve
--
If you are able to get the Modula-2 technical
reports and M-Code reference
manual, I will be forever grateful! Tried several times in the late 80's,
but none of my letters (pre-e-mail) were ever responded to. This stuff is
key to reverse engineering the Borland Turbo-Modula2 environment for CP/M.
Did you have any report in particular in mind ?
The modula compiler for the Lilith has been ported to the PC,
source code for that compiler is available.
Is that what you had in mind ?
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