1 Jul
2005
1 Jul
'05
11:29 a.m.
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently. I just did and
saw this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
Is everybody on vacation???
Bill
1 Jul
1 Jul
11:58 a.m.
Two great reasons to not mention it:
o The depressed price (now, anyway) makes eBay
look fantastic for a collector, and half the list would have
to vehemently disagree with that conclusion.
o Every last person discovering this listing (except you <g>)
would keep it a secret so as to hold the price down.
It's in AZ for those listers willing to go take a look...
John A.
12:17 p.m.
Two great reasons to not mention it:
o The depressed price (now, anyway) makes eBay
look fantastic for a collector, and half the list would have
to vehemently disagree with that conclusion.
o Every last person discovering this listing (except you <g>)
would keep it a secret so as to hold the price down.
Believe me, I considered #2 (above). However:
1) It has been in a banner ad for five days.
and
2) It has 20 bids on it including a couple of known ebay "deep pocket"
bidders.
My real question was whether anybody really thought it was a _1_ and
what the bidding would go to if it was. For the record, I'm pretty
sure that it is NOT an OSI product. The keyboard is not right for OSI.
Bill
12:55 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
?
Two great
reasons to not mention it:
o The depressed price (now, anyway) makes eBay
look fantastic for a collector, and half the list would have
to vehemently disagree with that conclusion.
o Every last person discovering this listing (except you <g>)
would keep it a secret so as to hold the price down.
Believe me, I considered #2 (above). However:
1) It has been in a banner ad for five days. 2) It has 20 bids on it including a couple of known
ebay "deep pocket"
bidders.
So? It's been shown time and again that some of these deep pockets have
more money than brains, so why should their interest in it be any
indicator of authenticity?
My real question was whether anybody really thought it
was a _1_ and
what the bidding would go to if it was. For the record, I'm pretty
sure that it is NOT an OSI product. The keyboard is not right for OSI.
It has what looks to be holes drilled in a circular arrangement on the
upper right-hand side, probably for a speaker mounted underneath. I've
never, ever, ever seen any Apple-1 with a speaker. There are three knobs
along the left side that look like potentiometers.
I'm sure everyone bidding thinks it's a 1. Otherwise, why the hell would
anyone pay $305 (so far) for an Apple //e unless they're stupid?
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1:13 p.m.
o Every last person discovering this listing (except
you <g>)
would keep it a secret so as to hold the price down.
Believe me, I considered #2 (above). However:
1) It has been in a banner ad for five days. 2) It has 20 bids on it including a couple of
known ebay "deep pocket"
bidders.
So? It's been shown time and again that some of these deep pockets have
more money than brains, so why should their interest in it be any
indicator of authenticity?
2:21 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
?
No, no. you misunderstand me. My reply was in response to the
don't let the "secret" out aspect of the message I quoted. I was
asserting that it was not a secret and there was no potential for
a bargain.
Oh, sorry :)
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o Every last
person discovering this listing (except you <g>)
would keep it a secret so as to hold the price down.
Believe me, I considered #2 (above). However:
1) It has been in a banner ad for five days. 2) It has 20 bids on it including a couple of
known ebay "deep pocket"
bidders.
So? It's been shown time and again that some of these deep pockets have
more money than brains, so why should their interest in it be any
indicator of authenticity?
5:31 p.m.
> > >
o Every last person discovering this listing (except you <g>)
> > > would keep it a secret so as to hold the price down.
> >
> > Believe me, I considered #2 (above). However:
> >
> > 1) It has been in a banner ad for five days.
>
> ?
>
> > 2) It has 20 bids on it including a couple of known ebay
"deep
pocket"
> > bidders.
>
> So? It's been shown time and again that some of these deep
pockets have
more
money than brains, so why should their interest in it be any
indicator of authenticity?
No, no. you misunderstand me. My reply was in response to the
don't let the "secret" out aspect of the message I quoted. I was
asserting that it was not a secret and there was no potential for
a bargain.
6:14 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
Well, $2550! No bargain and I don't think anyone
on the list was a big
bidder on it. I must say that pooh-kie36 let me down... I bet that
he/she would bid it to at least $5000. Now I do find myself curious as
to just what's in the box. Anybody know collectrhc?
I sent the "winning" bidder an e-mail asking him/her to contact me once
they receive the unit so I can add their "Apple-1" to my registry. I also
asked them what compelled them to bid on it.
Hahahaha.
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12:05 p.m.
At 10:29 AM 7/1/2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
Several visitors asked questions, and his answers continue to play coy.
If someone told him that part of the auction was an Apple I worth $5,000,
don't you think he'd bother to halt the auction, take a picture to show
the inside of the homemade keyboard, and settle the question?
- John
2 Jul
2 Jul
12:03 a.m.
For a while I did some buying of stuff on eBay to jump-start our museum. One
thing I learned is to look at the feedback score of a seller. Anything less
than 99% should be a huge red flag unless the seller has only a few deals,
in which case one misunderstanding can kill the number.
255 transactions is enough to get a good picture. < 98%. Run, don't walk, to
the nearest exit. At the very least this guy is going to be argumentative.
Also note that not a single one of those negatives was resolved
satisfactorily.
HTH,
Gil
Please note changed email address:
gcarrick at uta.edu
A. G. (Gil) Carrick, Director
The Museum at CSE
Coach - ICPC Programming Team
University of Texas at Arlington
Department of Computer Science & Engineering
Box 19015, 471 S Cooper Street
Arlington, TX 76019
817-272-3620
http://www.cse.uta.edu/TheMuseum at CSE/
6 Jul
6 Jul
12:26 p.m.
>> 255 transactions is enough to get a good
picture
Good point. For example, I've got 29 transactions, with one negative. But
in that user's feedback, anyone can see that he's just a big moron. (To my
amusement, he even wrote in all caps, "SELLERS BEWARE!") Alas, my ranking
is 96.7 percent.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Director
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:03 AM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only'
Subject: RE: Apple _1_ on ebay???
For a while I did some buying of stuff on eBay to jump-start our museum. One
thing I learned is to look at the feedback score of a seller. Anything less
than 99% should be a huge red flag unless the seller has only a few deals,
in which case one misunderstanding can kill the number.
255 transactions is enough to get a good picture. < 98%. Run, don't walk, to
the nearest exit. At the very least this guy is going to be argumentative.
Also note that not a single one of those negatives was resolved
satisfactorily.
HTH,
Gil
Please note changed email address:
gcarrick at uta.edu
A. G. (Gil) Carrick, Director
The Museum at CSE
Coach - ICPC Programming Team
University of Texas at Arlington
Department of Computer Science & Engineering Box 19015, 471 S Cooper Street
Arlington, TX 76019 817-272-3620 http://www.cse.uta.edu/TheMuseum at CSE/
1 Jul
1 Jul
12:48 p.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently. I
just did and
saw this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
Is everybody on vacation???
There is absolutely no evidence this is an Apple-1. If you'll notice, the
seller is being unusually vague about it, neither confirming nor denying
that this is an Apple-1. This is most likely on purpose. If it was an
Apple-1, he'd have made the effort to check. No one is as naive and
stupid as the seller makes himself out to be, especially someone with 255
feedback.
The feedback responses only fuel the excitement, but if you notice, all
the responses are based on completely unsubstantiated assumptions. Here's
the most telling exchange:
Q: STOP THIS AUCTION IMMEDIATELY!!!!! i can't let you throw away a
perfect specimen such as that wooden computer. It is an original apple
computer.
A: I pride myself in great packing. I have great feedback from my packing.
I pack with care. Whoever wins this auction will get items packed with care.
WTF? Seems like a shill comment to me to further the speculation.
This is a mystery grab bag auction, but the bag has a turd in it.
Beware.
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1:18 p.m.
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 09:48 -0700, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
Far as I can tell, there's not even any evidence that it's an Apple at
all. Lots of keyboards from the era of wooden-cased machines look very
similar, and that photo's too small to really make anything out.
I've seen some *really* bad wooden-cased computers before... :)
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently.
I just did and
saw this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
Is everybody on vacation???
There is absolutely no evidence this is an Apple-1. This is a mystery grab bag auction, but the bag has a
turd in it.
A wooden turd...
1:34 p.m.
We should start the "Darwin Pool" -- bet on how high it'll go for -- then
find a real pool, and throw the buyer and seller in it.
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From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:18 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Apple _1_ on ebay???
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 09:48 -0700, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
Far as I can tell, there's not even any evidence that it's an Apple at all.
Lots of keyboards from the era of wooden-cased machines look very similar,
and that photo's too small to really make anything out.
I've seen some *really* bad wooden-cased computers before... :)
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently.
I just did and
saw this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=52
13140640
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days and
nobody has mentioned it here???
Is everybody on vacation???
There is absolutely no evidence this is an Apple-1. This is a mystery grab bag auction, but the bag has a
turd in it.
A wooden turd...
1:47 p.m.
On Friday 01 July 2005 10:34, 'Computer Collector Newsletter' wrote:
We should start the "Darwin Pool" -- bet on
how high it'll go for -- then
find a real pool, and throw the buyer and seller in it.
I sent the seller an email asking him to "clarify" what the board(s) looked
like in the wooden box - size, shape, number, etc. As I suspected would
happen, he didn't answer me.
I'm in agreement with what has been stated previously - this guy is betting on
folks assuming him to be ignorant - and that they'll get an Apple 1 for a
song. Fat chance - this guy is a con.
Lyle
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Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
4:12 p.m.
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:18:25 +0000
Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 09:48 -0700, Vintage Computer
Festival wrote:
Plus the fact that the 'wooden case' on an Apple I would be whatever the
original owner had installed the Apple I in. The Apple 1 was sold from
Apple as a bare circuit board, and you attached whatever keyboard you
wanted in whatever enclosure you wanted. You could have installed it in
a brushed aluminum or Bondi Blue case if you chose. Or in a gutted
Lear-Siegler ADM3a case if you wanted 'prior art' on 'trade dress' for
the iMac.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
Far as I can tell, there's not even any evidence that it's an Apple at
all. Lots of keyboards from the era of wooden-cased machines look very
similar, and that photo's too small to really make anything out.
I have not have to time to look at ebay recently.
I just did and
saw this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80286&item=5…
&rd=1
Somebody has put an Apple 1 up, it has been there for five days
and nobody has mentioned it here???
Is everybody on vacation???
There is absolutely no evidence this is an Apple-1.
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