27 May
2013
27 May
'13
2 a.m.
On
Sun, 26 May 2013 12:40:43 -0700, Chuck Guzis<cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
Vi har v<FA>ara egna filist<FB>eer som
ger
sig p<FA>a oss om vi inte <FE>ar vaksamma.
Thanks for any assistance.
<FA>a = a ring
<FB>e = e acute
<FE>a = a diaeresis
It would be interesting to know what the text is. This bit is about
Philistines.
/Jonas
27 May
27 May
12:49 p.m.
On 05/26/2013 11:00 PM, Jonas Otter wrote:
It would be interesting to know what the text is. This
bit is about
Philistines.
It appears to be the Swedish subtitles for the movie "When the Whales
Came". It blows me away that in 1989 (or later) that 8" floppies would
still be in current use.
--Chuck
1:33 p.m.
In article <51A38E85.3080409 at sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Came". It blows me away that in 1989 (or later)
that 8" floppies would
still be in current use.
Some people don't upgrade until absolutely forced to, or perhaps they
just go out of business.
It's my understanding that many CNC machines are still being driven
today by paper tape.
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7:43 p.m.
On 05/27/2013 10:33 AM, Richard wrote:
In article <51A38E85.3080409 at sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Sure--I know of several embroidery outfits that started with paper tape,
substituted a floppy box that emulated paper tape and now have changed
out the floppy, but kept the emulator box, replacing the drive with a
floppy emulator, running from flash of some variety.
But you'd think that the broadcast industry would be more up-to-date,
being electronic in nature and all.
Guess not.
--Chuck
Came". It blows me away that in 1989 (or
later) that 8" floppies would
still be in current use.
Some people don't upgrade until absolutely forced to, or perhaps they
just go out of business.
It's my understanding that many CNC machines are still being driven
today by paper tape. 
9:52 p.m.
On 5/27/2013 5:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Sure--I know of several embroidery outfits that
started with paper tape,
substituted a floppy box that emulated paper tape and now have changed
out the floppy, but kept the emulator box, replacing the drive with a
floppy emulator, running from flash of some variety.
Does not player piano rolls come from a Apple II set up?
But you'd think that the broadcast industry would
be more up-to-date,
being electronic in nature and all.
Guess not.
--Chuck
28 May
28 May
12:27 a.m.
On 05/27/2013 06:52 PM, ben wrote:
On 5/27/2013 5:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Not sure that I follow you, here.
--Chuck
Sure--I know of several embroidery outfits that
started with paper tape,
substituted a floppy box that emulated paper tape and now have changed
out the floppy, but kept the emulator box, replacing the drive with a
floppy emulator, running from flash of some variety.
Does not player piano rolls come from a Apple II set up?
12:39 a.m.
On 5/27/2013 10:27 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/27/2013 06:52 PM, ben wrote:
I thought that the people who make Player Piano Paper Rolls,
used a Apple II. I'm never in a western bar, so I don't see
too many player pianos.
On 5/27/2013 5:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Not sure that I follow you, here. Sure--I know of several embroidery outfits that
started with paper tape,
substituted a floppy box that emulated paper tape and now have changed
out the floppy, but kept the emulator box, replacing the drive with a
floppy emulator, running from flash of some variety.
Does not player piano rolls come from a Apple II set up? --Chuck
27 May
27 May
11:25 p.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
[for those not familiar, Closed Captions were two bytes of ASCII
embedded in line 21 of the vertical retrace interval of analog NTSC,
and using a decoding circuit in the receiving TV to supermpose the
text on the video image. Some people HATED their existence - due
to being upset at having stuff to READ pushed at them, not just
from the possibility that it might cover cleavage.]
On Mon, 27 May 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
But you'd think that the broadcast industry would
be more up-to-date,
being electronic in nature and all.
Guess not.
It appears to be the crudest area in the industry.
I once called a local station and let them know that the caption
signal had been missing for a few days. They thanked me, and told
me that they were "UNABLE to tell whether it was working, because
none of the staff is deaf".
Live broadcasts now often attempt to use voice-to-text software,
without any training of the system. That, of course, frequently
leads to totally incomprehensible captions. Even non-live
captioning is often not proofread.
Some captioners are excellent. Some not. Some make the worst of
internet spelling and illiteracy look good. Their knot to good.
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11:54 p.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On Mon, 28 May 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
[for those not familiar, Closed Captions were two bytes of ASCII
embedded in line 21 of the vertical retrace interval of analog NTSC,
and using a decoding circuit in the receiving TV to supermpose the
text on the video image. Some people HATED their existence - due
to being upset at having stuff to READ pushed at them, not just
from the possibility that it might cover cleavage.]
On Mon, 27 May 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
So, it's like youtube's auto-captioning?
But you'd think that the broadcast industry
would be more up-to-date,
being electronic in nature and all.
Guess not.
It appears to be the crudest area in the industry.
I once called a local station and let them know that the caption
signal had been missing for a few days. They thanked me, and told
me that they were "UNABLE to tell whether it was working, because
none of the staff is deaf".
Live broadcasts now often attempt to use voice-to-text software,
without any training of the system. That, of course, frequently
leads to totally incomprehensible captions. Even non-live
captioning is often not proofread.
Some captioners are excellent. Some not. Some make the worst of
internet spelling and illiteracy look good. Their knot to good.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
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28 May
28 May
12:27 p.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yes, exactly.
I've only tried the youtube "auto-captioning" once. Last month, I tried
to watch an episode of Red Dwarf. The "auto-captioning" was so bad that I
couldn't even figure out what the discussion was about.
It seemed to be random words. I decided that it was BROKEN.
'course the actors had British accents, but even so, I expected the
captions to at least resemble English.
--
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Live
broadcasts now often attempt to use voice-to-text software,
without any training of the system. That, of course, frequently
leads to totally incomprehensible captions. Even non-live
captioning is often not proofread.
So, it's like youtube's auto-captioning?
12:28 a.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On 05/27/2013 08:25 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Live broadcasts now often attempt to use voice-to-text software,
without any training of the system. That, of course, frequently
leads to totally incomprehensible captions. Even non-live
captioning is often not proofread.
Some captioners are excellent. Some not. Some make the worst of
internet spelling and illiteracy look good. Their knot to good.
Live captioning is one of the few places that I'm aware of that a
Stenotype machine is a piece of standard kit.
--Chuck
12:31 p.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On Mon, 27 May 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Live captioning is one of the few places that I'm
aware of that a
Stenotype machine is a piece of standard kit.
Some of the better ones, including a lot of legal transcribing and
C.A.R.T. I don't often see the steno keyboards on a computer.
But some of the broadcast crap is random warm bodies with PCs (probably
Packard Bells).
--
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2:33 a.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 08:25:48PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
text on the video image. Some people HATED their
existence - due
I'm amazed at the hostility towards captions in some places. Having
grown up with it (watching foreign content on Swedish television),
reading it is almost automatic. Sometimes I prefer english caption on
english speaking movies in cases where there is a dialect that is hard
to understand.
It appears to be the crudest area in the industry.
I remember an interview with a Swedish lady that captioned Lord of The
Rings. She was the first swede to see the film and they showed her
equipment, it was a tiny monitor and something that looked very special
purpose. Just the kind of hardware that you don't upgrade if it "just"
works.
Some captioners are excellent. Some not. Some make
the worst of
internet spelling and illiteracy look good. Their knot to good.
Apparently they professional captioners in sweden were outraged when
non-government channels hired untrained personel at low wages. The
result however was hilarious. I remember watching "The Nanny" just
because of the captioning. That captioner was brilliant, he/she must
have been pretty good at text book enligsh but unfamiliar with idioms
and pop culture references. He would make up is own jokes when he didn't
understand why the audience laughed. And sometimes just do a literal
translation if the result was wierd/funny enough.
/P
2:39 a.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 08:25:48PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
I want to see that version of The Nanny now. ;)
text on the video image. Some people HATED their
existence - due
I'm amazed at the hostility towards captions in some places. Having
grown up with it (watching foreign content on Swedish television),
reading it is almost automatic. Sometimes I prefer english caption on
english speaking movies in cases where there is a dialect that is hard
to understand.
It appears to be the crudest area in the
industry.
I remember an interview with a Swedish lady that captioned Lord of The
Rings. She was the first swede to see the film and they showed her
equipment, it was a tiny monitor and something that looked very special
purpose. Just the kind of hardware that you don't upgrade if it "just"
works.
Some captioners are excellent. Some not. Some
make the worst of
internet spelling and illiteracy look good. Their knot to good.
Apparently they professional captioners in sweden were outraged when
non-government channels hired untrained personel at low wages. The
result however was hilarious. I remember watching "The Nanny" just
because of the captioning. That captioner was brilliant, he/she must
have been pretty good at text book enligsh but unfamiliar with idioms
and pop culture references. He would make up is own jokes when he didn't
understand why the audience laughed. And sometimes just do a literal
translation if the result was wierd/funny enough.
/P
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10:03 a.m.
New subject: CC (Was: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On Mon, 27 May 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
Live broadcasts now often attempt to use voice-to-text
software,
without any training of the system. That, of course, frequently
leads to totally incomprehensible captions. Even non-live
captioning is often not proofread.
Some captioners are excellent. Some not. Some make the worst of
internet spelling and illiteracy look good. Their knot to good.
So, Captions by Tony(tm)? :)
g.
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27 May
27 May
3:02 p.m.
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From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
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Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pre-unicode Swedish character set?
On 05/26/2013 11:00 PM, Jonas Otter wrote:
I can tell you for a fact that 8" floppies were in use in the largest danish
bank until 2007. The reason is, that some customers made use of turnkey
systems, where the supplier had gone out of business. This were typically
branches like lawyers, companies selling wood, tools. etc etc. They found
that there was no off-the-shelf software for their needs, so in order to
avoid major system consultant costs, they would have preferred to use the
old system until it fell apart :-)
The data on the 8" floppies represented payments to suppliers etc.
/Nico
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It would be interesting to know what the text is.
This bit is about
Philistines.
It appears to be the Swedish subtitles for the movie "When the Whales
Came". It blows me away that in 1989 (or later) that 8" floppies would
still be in current use.
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