On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Zane H. Healy wrote: That doesn't work as well when the actual goal is to get people to panic about their possible fate and spend money. If the real concern is disposal "to good home", then "free pickup" is more appropriate than "buy it or the cat dies!"

Kittens and puppies are better than cats for these purposes. :-)

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote: "Buy my stuff or the [insert name] gets it!" I sympathize, although there have been times that I found out later something was thrown away that I would have rescued, if I had known scrapping was the alternative. But there's also a distinction between giving away and selling, in that situation. -Andy

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Richard wrote: [Since others won't know why Richard made this remark, I'll post my reply here. Personally, I'd rather he take this off-list and go ahead and rant at me and get it out of his system instead of harboring some sort of resentment and sniping at me, but c'est la vie...] Richard, that was 7 months ago. How long are you going to continue? Yes I publicly called out Robert on September 18, 2012 for his remark that was was going to scrap (sell for scrap metal) a perfectly good Sequent SE20 ["Sequent SE20 any interest?"] if someone didn't buy it from him. No, I wasn't aware at the time that Robert was a good friend of yours. Further, at the time I replied, I saw very very few emails from Robert in the recent list archives, and I mistakenly thought he was just out to troll the list (as a lot of others had done and continue to do). Had I seen Robert's earlier posts from years ago, I would have probably toned down what I wrote a little more (yes, more...I discarded the first couple of drafts). While I've personally long since moved on with things, I still do not understand why you took it so personally and still seem to harbor resentment at me for airing my own thoughts regarding Robert's comments. In fact, despite me asking you directly, you still won't tell me why you took my comments so personally. What seems even more odd (to me at least) is that you and I had been on very good terms for better than what, ~10 years? prior, and considering our past interactions I was shocked at your response. Maybe you are right, maybe I don't know you as well as I thought I did, but how is sniping at me whenever you get a chance doing anything good for anyone (or the list)? If it will finally put a stop to this, then I'll post this here too. Robert, I'm sorry I was so harsh in my replies regarding the SE20. Had I realized at the time that you had been more active on classiccmp in the past and were not just here trolling I'd have responded very differently. already moved on after our rather "lively" discussion, but if it is still bothering you, I apologize for being so harsh.

Legally, yes. But there is a large difference between "legal" and "good", or even "legal" and "not scummy". Just because someone has a legal right to do something doesn't mean that doing it it shouldn't draw censure. If someone, oh, say, someone with a working ASR-33 chooses to, let's say, dissect it with a dremel and use the pieces as party favours, I won't say a word about it from a legal PoV. But I _will_ think, and quite likely say, it's a wasteful and scuzzy thing to do, and I will think less of such a person and quite likely refuse to sell to, help on the lists, buy from, etc, said person - as is _my_ legal right, a right I don't choose to exercise in most cases.... If you don't, what are you on this list for? I didn't write the text you're reacting to, so I can't know what was in its auhtor's mind. But criticism - such as mail on this list - is one of the first steps that can reasonably be taken upon discovering that someone (apparently) intends to do something undesirable. I don't see any reason to think that being critical of a potential actions means "expect[ing] someone else" to fix the issue; community censure is a reasonable next step after individual censure - assuming, of course, that the relevant community _does_, as a community, disapprove of the putative action. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

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On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Jules Richardson wrote: It could very well be that Goodwill in some communities does things differently. When I inquired awhile back as to why they no longer had older computers, I was told that it was now their corporate policy that anything that could not run Windows 7 was to be scrapped and disposed of. When I asked about non-PCs, they said that those too were junked. They also supposedly have an agreement with Microsoft that allows them to install Windows 7, but not say Windows XP, 95, 3.1, etc (despite the fact that many older PCs have a license sticker on them) and trying to deal with returns and complains because something wouldn't run the latest version of [software program/popular game] was "too much trouble".

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf at concentric.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:08 AM Subject: Re: Last chance on Local Pickup machines in Flushing MI This jerk says that when sales are slow, he never junks anything.