I recently had two more items packed and delivered to me by Craters & Freighters. Holy shit, what a difference it makes with that company. A Tektronix 4170 local graphics processor and an Evans & Sutherland PS 390 base unit arrived with no scratches, no falling apart pallets and everything intact. The tally so far: + seller freight packed deskside SGI Onyx + C&F packed lot from dovebid (Tektronix graphics terminals) + C&F packed Megatek graphics terminal + C&F packed E&S PS390 + C&F packed Tektronix 4170 - CTS packed deskside SGI Onyx & Octanes - adcom worldwide packed SGI Octanes, O2s and monitors In the case of CTS/adcom worldwide, the only reason that I used them and not C&F is that there wasn't a C&F that could go to Reading, PA and pick up the stuff from a dovebid auction. C&F may not be the cheapest; to be honest, when C&F service is available I don't even bother to check with other freight shipping service companies. However, what good does it do you to save a few dollars on shipping and have something arrive smashed or cosmetically ruined because of poor packing? I heartily recommend Craters & Freighters for your packing and freight shipping needs. <http://www.cratersandfreighters.com> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>