25 Sep
2003
25 Sep
'03
2:15 p.m.
I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
It would be great to finally have this machine boot up as an
emulated apple or PDP-8 or Atari or something.
One of the floppyies makes it into a disk drive for my TRS-80 model
100 laptop.
Ron.
25 Sep
25 Sep
2:48 p.m.
Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop
machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
It can be done, but you generally need the appropriate card and socket
services software for the hardware in your laptop. Typically, this
would have been supplied with the laptop (installed on the hard disk
and/or on floppies).
If you don't have those, but you do have a parallel port, you might
find it easier to use something like a Xircom parallel-port Ethernet
adapter.
-Frank McConnell
3:16 p.m.
I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop
machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
Well.... One question comes to mind, if it's a single floppy laptop (I
translate that as meaning it doesn't have a HD), does it even have a PCMCIA
card slot? If it doesn't, does it have an bidirectional parallel port
(isn't that called EPP?). If you have the PCMCIA slot, you'll need to find
a card that is old enough that there was DOS support for it. Hopefully you
can get one that includes the drivers and instructions.
Warning, setting such a thing up is not fun. The next question is, what do
you plan on using for networking software? Such things for DOS weren't
exactly common either.
Zane
4:23 p.m.
On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 07:16 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Yep, It has the slot, there is a place for an HD but I didn't get one.
It's some sort of compaq.
I would like
to get an old single floppy DOS laptop machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
Well.... One question comes to mind, if it's a single floppy laptop (I
translate that as meaning it doesn't have a HD), does it even have a
PCMCIA
card slot? If it doesn't, does it have an bidirectional
parallel port
(isn't that called EPP?). If you have the PCMCIA slot, you'll need to
find
a card that is old enough that there was DOS support for it.
Hopefully you
can get one that includes the drivers and instructions.
Warning, setting such a thing up is not fun. The next question is,
what do
you plan on using for networking software? Such things for DOS weren't
exactly common either.
Well, fun-ness for me is defined as am I being paid to do this thing or
am I just doing cause I want to. I will probably want just some sort of
telnet on it. I could just serial port it to the Linux machine and
use a Terminal emulator of some sort I suppose.
What I would really like to do is build up a single floppy (or two
floppy)
Linux that had vi and perl or python. Classiccomp is the wrong place to
bark up that tree though.
oooh! BBS? hmmm.
Zane
5:33 p.m.
Well, fun-ness for me is defined as am I being paid to
do this thing or
am I just doing cause I want to. I will probably want just some sort of
telnet on it. I could just serial port it to the Linux machine and
use a Terminal emulator of some sort I suppose.
What I would really like to do is build up a single floppy (or two
floppy)
Linux that had vi and perl or python. Classiccomp is the wrong place to
bark up that tree though.
OK, since it does in fact have PCMCIA, I'm going to *assume* that it's at
least a 386sx, which means it can run Linux. I don't know how big Python
is, but I'm going to guess you're not going to fit it onto a Linux floppy.
It might actually make sense to run a *old* version of Linux. I can't
remember when it got PCMCIA support (networking was around June of '92 as I
recall). I do remember getting a PCMCIA SCSI card (and maybe modem) working
in '95 or '96 under Linux. Do a Google search on floppy based Linux
installs, there are a couple of cool things out there for doing them.
I think I'd personally try to fit PC/TCP (I was lucky enough to get a brand
new copy recently that I'm not about to part with) on an MS-DOS floppy. You
can easily do a second bootable floppy with several different terminal
emulators on it. You know, you're making me tempted to break out the P166
IBM Thinkpad I've got that I've been threatening to load MS-DOS onto. I've
even got a copy of Desqview/X somewhere :^)
Zane
5:49 p.m.
It might actually make sense to run a *old* version of
Linux. I can't
remember when it got PCMCIA support (networking was around June of '92 as
I
recall). I do remember getting a PCMCIA SCSI card
(and maybe modem)
working
in '95 or '96 under Linux.
FreeBSD and Linux both will fit on a floppy, no problem. Check out
"picoBSD". However, python? Not even a remote chance. Way too big.
5:07 p.m.
At 05:16 PM 9/25/03 -0700, you wrote:
IIRC somewhere on the net is a HP 200LX palmtop that's operating as a
server. IIRC it has one or two PCMCIA slots and 2Mb of RAM with MS-DOS 5 in
ROM and NO disk drives. Don't recall what networking software it was using
but it shouldn't be to hard to find if it's still on the net.
Ah! Found it! it's at <http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/welcome.html>. It's
now been taken off-line but the details are still posted.
Joe
I would like
to get an old single floppy DOS laptop machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
Well.... One question comes to mind, if it's a single floppy laptop (I
translate that as meaning it doesn't have a HD), does it even have a PCMCIA
card slot? If it doesn't, does it have an bidirectional parallel port
(isn't that called EPP?). If you have the PCMCIA slot, you'll need to find
a card that is old enough that there was DOS support for it. Hopefully you
can get one that includes the drivers and instructions.
Warning, setting such a thing up is not fun. The next question is, what do
you plan on using for networking software? Such things for DOS weren't
exactly common either.
Zane
6 p.m.
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Warning, setting such a thing up is not fun. The next
question is, what do
you plan on using for networking software? Such things for DOS weren't
exactly common either.
Microsoft LAN Manager is what's loaded on my DOS voicemail machine. I can
access drives on my MS network (via TCP/IP) from the voicemail machine but
not the other way around (one-way filesharing :)
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6:54 p.m.
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote:
There's a version of LAN Mangler that will serve shares from a DOS machine as
well. I have a a copy if you want one... (I think its still available
somewhere from MS's FTP site)
Warning, setting such a thing up is not fun. The
next question is, what do
you plan on using for networking software? Such things for DOS weren't
exactly common either.
Microsoft LAN Manager is what's loaded on my DOS voicemail machine. I can
access drives on my MS network (via TCP/IP) from the voicemail machine but
not the other way around (one-way filesharing :)
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Peter Wallace
7:13 p.m.
On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 10:54 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Thanks, actually I want to go the other way... where the DOS machine is
a client
to the Linux machine.
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote:
There's a version of LAN Mangler that will serve shares from a DOS
machine as
well. I have a a copy if you want one... (I think its still available
somewhere from MS's FTP site) Warning, setting such a thing up is not fun. The
next question is,
what do
you plan on using for networking software? Such things for DOS
weren't
exactly common either.
Microsoft LAN Manager is what's loaded on my DOS voicemail machine.
I can
access drives on my MS network (via TCP/IP) from the voicemail
machine but
not the other way around (one-way filesharing :)
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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--------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage
Computers ]
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http://marketplace.vintage.org ]
Peter Wallace
3:38 p.m.
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop
machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
The Poqet computer came out just over ten years ago. It used two memory
cards that were PCMCIA, but before the official PCMCIA standard was
developed. Does anybody know offhand exactly when the PCMCIA standard
came about?
PCMCIA = "People Can't memorize Computer Industry Acronyms"
The Toshiba 1100, and the Atari Portfolio wer out about that time, and
like the Poqet, they had versions of DOS in ROM. (The Portfolio was a
wannabe, Toshiba and Poqet were MS-DOS)
4:07 p.m.
The Poqet computer came out just over ten years ago.
It used two memory
cards that were PCMCIA, but before the official PCMCIA standard was
developed. Does anybody know offhand exactly when the PCMCIA standard
came about?
PCMCIA = "People Can't memorize Computer Industry Acronyms"
The Toshiba 1100, and the Atari Portfolio wer out about that time, and
like the Poqet, they had versions of DOS in ROM. (The Portfolio was a
wannabe, Toshiba and Poqet were MS-DOS)
The Amiga 1200 uses PCMCIA cards and was released in 1993.
Zane
26 Sep
26 Sep
11:28 a.m.
Should be " People Can't Memorise Computer Industry Abbreviations "
Acronyms are abbreviations that are pronounceable as a word - e.g. DOS .
Sorry to be so pedantic , I'll go away and get a life.
Geoff.
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Subject: Re: Old DOS on topic yet?
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
I would like to get an old single floppy DOS
laptop machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
The Poqet computer came out just over ten years ago. It used two memory
cards that were PCMCIA, but before the official PCMCIA standard was
developed. Does anybody know offhand exactly when the PCMCIA standard
came about?
PCMCIA = "People Can't memorize Computer Industry Acronyms"
The Toshiba 1100, and the Atari Portfolio wer out about that time, and
like the Poqet, they had versions of DOS in ROM. (The Portfolio was a
wannabe, Toshiba and Poqet were MS-DOS)
12:48 p.m.
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
Should be " People Can't Memorise Computer
Industry Abbreviations "
Acronyms are abbreviations that are pronounceable as a word - e.g. DOS .
Sorry to be so pedantic , I'll go away and get a life.
You are entirely correct
Now, if I could only remember who was the originator (10+ years ago).
A number of computer industry acronyms are also relatively unpronouncable,
or of marginally arguable pronunciation, such as SQL and SCSI.
25 Sep
25 Sep
4:27 p.m.
I use a technique to be able to select and load different network
drivers and attach to a network using a single floppy. You should be able to
modify it to work with PCMCIA.
The file is a bit over a MB, so I can't post it to the list, but if you'd (or
anyone else would like) I'll Email it directly to you. Here's the
"instructions" for unpacking and using it:
1. gunzip network.tar.gz
2. tar xvf network.tar in a clean directory
3. create a clean MSDOS formatted diskette including the MSDOS system files.
The system files in network.tar.gz are from Winslop, er, Windows 95
4. copy all of the files you've extracted from network.tar.gz to the diskette
(except command.com - use the one that is already on the diskette from
whatever version of MSDOS you are using).
5. boot the diskette and watch what happens, modify "stuff" and I'll betcha
you can make it do PCMCIA on a single floppy.
Cheers,
Lyle
On Thursday 25 September 2003 16:15, Ron Hudson wrote:
I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop
machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
It would be great to finally have this machine boot up as an
emulated apple or PDP-8 or Atari or something.
One of the floppyies makes it into a disk drive for my TRS-80 model
100 laptop.
Ron.
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA 94040
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
26 Sep
26 Sep
5:22 a.m.
Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
I would like to get an old single floppy DOS laptop
machine
on my local network. Anyone know how to get DOS to work with
a PCMCIA card (uh too new?)
Thinking a bit further on this. Yes, it was/is possible -- the
earlier PCMCIA Ethernet cards came with drivers for MS-DOS (and
Windows 3.x). And there was sometimes a way to avoid the need for the
card and socket services morass, called a "point enabler" -- this was
a program, usually somewhat specific to the PCMCIA card and maybe to
the PCMCIA chipset in the computer, which simply did whatever was
needed to get the PCMCIA card mapped to appropriate addresses.
Then you would load a packet or ODI or NDIS driver for the card.
-Frank McConnell
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