5 Mar
2012
5 Mar
'12
10:09 a.m.
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
I bid on, and won, a Tandata TD4000, complete with what looks like a
matching branded monitor. Cost me the grand sum of 99 pence - nobody
else wanted it.
Called yesterday to arrange collection, got "oh, we got it out for you
and it looks like it was broken when we moved house".
How broken? "a crack, and there's a cable missing."
told them no worries, would still have it, should be able to fix it.
"but my husband has put it out to be thrown away". Told her to go
check if it was still about, I did still want it!
Got a call back today, "it was put with some old PCs and they've all
been taken away this morning.."
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad? Or it it had
sold for more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
The problem is, old == worthless, and if it's worthless (reinforced by
it selling for almost nothing, even though that's all they asked for)
then it doesn't matter.
OK, it's not like it was a set of backup discs from Prestel itself,
just a terminal to access it, but it's still galling. (The other, I'd
drive to the other end of the country to kick down their door if I
thought it would put me on the trail of them!)
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify leaving them a Neg...
5 Mar
5 Mar
10:18 a.m.
At 3:09 PM +0000 3/5/12, Rob wrote:
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify
leaving them a Neg...
Let's see, they put it up on eBay, you had the winning bid, there is
a good chance that they decided it wasn't worth the effort of packing
it for the amount you won it for, and they threw it out. Yeah, I'd
say you'd be justified.
Zane
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12:56 p.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 3:09 PM +0000 3/5/12, Rob wrote:
Certainly that deserves a negative (and the rant is justified). I've
sold stuff on eBay for $0.01 and shipped out even though loosing money.
If you put something up for auction you take the offer or you put a
reserve at the minimum you will accept for your trouble.
They can't not ship if you played by their rules.
John :-#(#
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can
justify leaving them a Neg...
Let's see, they put it up on eBay, you had the winning bid, there is a
good chance that they decided it wasn't worth the effort of packing it
for the amount you won it for, and they threw it out. Yeah, I'd say
you'd be justified.
Zane
10:29 a.m.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Rob <robert at irrelevant.com> wrote:
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
I bid on, and won, a Tandata TD4000, complete ?with what looks like a
matching branded monitor. ?Cost me the grand sum of 99 pence - nobody
else wanted it.
Called yesterday to arrange collection, got "oh, we got it out for you
and it looks like it was broken when we moved house".
How broken? ?"a crack, and there's a cable missing."
I'd complain. Definitely.
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10:47 a.m.
--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Rob <robert at irrelevant.com> wrote:
Sigh..? Anyway rant over.? Wonder if I can justify
leaving them a Neg...
Lets see... You purchased something from a seller, entering a binding contract, and they
failed to deliver. Time for a big fat negative! It's more than justified. Sellers like
this really tick me off. If you can't hold up your end of the deal, then you have no
business selling on eBay.
Not that negative feedback really means a heck of a lot, but since they probably refunded
your money, you can't sick PayPal on them.
I've had similar things happen to me, where I purchased something and paid, only to
have my money refunded with a lame "I tested it and it doesn't work" story.
It was only a $15 keyboard, but I went back and forth with the seller, telling him that I
didn't care if it doesn't work, I bought it as-is, and I still want and need it.
To which he came back with some other lame excuse... Not much I could do other than
negative feedback, because I wasn't out any money. Still ticks me off, and I'm
still looking for a decent VC4404 keyboard. The one I have is pretty beat up and missing
keys.
-Ian
11:18 a.m.
Rob,
On 3/5/2012 10:09 AM, Rob wrote:
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
I bid on, and won, a Tandata TD4000, complete with what looks like a
matching branded monitor. Cost me the grand sum of 99 pence - nobody
else wanted it.
<skip>
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad?
Or it it had
sold for more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
You hit the nail on the head. I'm sure if you had won it at 100 quid,
then I think they would have made it available to you.
They offered it for 99 pence, and you won it at that price. If they
didn't want to deal with it at 99 pence, then they should have listed it
with a higher starting price. Or listed a reserve, or done something
else than starting it at 99p.
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify
leaving them a Neg...
Definitely. They violated the basic terms of the agreement.
Keith
11:32 a.m.
On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Keith Monahan wrote:
And leave in the comments that they threw out a nigh-irreplaceable
piece of vintage equipment. It's really appalling behavior on the
part of a seller regardless, but that really does it for me.
- Dave
Sigh.. Anyway
rant over. Wonder if I can justify leaving them a Neg...
Definitely. They violated the basic terms of the agreement.
11:48 a.m.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
And leave in the comments that they threw out a
nigh-irreplaceable
piece of vintage equipment. ?It's really appalling behavior on the
part of a seller regardless, but that really does it for me.
Someone was going to give me, *give* me, a IMSAI 8080. Working.
Instead of even trying to get some money for it from me (which I would
have paid) they threw it away.
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12:18 p.m.
New subject: old != worthless, you got scammed
I bet good money they didn't throw it away..
I bet someone e-mailed them to say i will offer you more after the bid and they said.
"ok" and sold it to that person instead.
I would give them negative feedback and forward their e-mails to ebay
3:24 p.m.
New subject: old != worthless, you got scammed
It's one of those unfortunate scenarios on both ends. Could be a scam as I've
read that happening on an increasing basis from buyers getting too good to be true end
prices, although I'm not sure any had seen the item resurface or if they watch the
seller closely enough.
Sometimes I do wonder though since the shipping cost, gas and packing for the seller
probably outweighs even dragging the thing(s) to the post office. Still, unfortunate if
it's true and just naive sellers.
Always seems to be on the extreme on both ends, it's either old and must be "r at
re!!!" and super expensive starting bid due to ignorance, or it's garbage and
they don't really want to deal with it unless it's enough to cover their own costs
and/or toss it when it doesn't hit their reserve.
Bugs me when I watch auctions with too high of a starting bid stay up for a while from
some recycler, get reposted with the same obviously non-selling price tag then eventually
it doesn't get reposted for anything practical. :-/ I can only assume the worst.
--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Christian Liendo <christian_liendo at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Christian Liendo <christian_liendo at
yahoo.com>
Subject: old != worthless, you got scammed
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 11:18 AM
I bet good money they didn't throw it
away..
I bet someone e-mailed them to say i will offer you more
after the bid and they said. "ok" and sold it to that person
instead.
I would give them negative feedback and forward their
e-mails to ebay
12:31 p.m.
John Many Jars wrote:
Someone was going to give me, *give* me, a IMSAI 8080.
Working.
Instead of even trying to get some money for it from me (which I would
have paid) they threw it away.
That wasn't recently in the Washington, DC area was it? I had a
nightmare vision a few weeks ago that I spent several hours trying
to convince myself I didn't see. I was in traffic and there was a
"junk truck" ahead of me. Underneath a refrigerator and a couple
of microwaves, I was sure I saw an IMSAI. Due to the traffic, I
couldn't catch up and try to flag the guy down. Very frustrating.
Bill Sudbrink
12:01 p.m.
Doubt anyone here would watch or care, but just as an interesting bit
that someone who writes TV sitcoms understands this. There was a
Malcolm in the Middle Episode S04E15 "Garage Sale" where they go through
this exact situation.
http://www.tv.com/shows/malcolm-in-the-middle/garage-sale-225447/
"Malcolm suggests that the family have a garage sale in order to earn
money to pay for the repairs in Hal and Lois' room (caused by Hal in
"Hal's Friend"). Lois, finally returning, decides to put Reese in
charge, because while she was away she was reminded of her childhood and
how she was never encouraged, and now wants to give Reese a chance to
prove himself. Malcolm hates that Reese is in charge especially when he
is instructed to throw out a Nortair 680B computer part (worth $1300).
Malcolm plans on making everyone realize the mistake and enlists Craig's
help. Hal finds an old transmission that he used to run a pirate radio
and decides to hook it up for old times sake. Dewey decides to sell
things from the house. Meanwhile, Francis tries to get Otto to open up
about his long lost son."
3:37 p.m.
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
I bid on, and won, a Tandata TD4000, complete with what looks like a
matching branded monitor. Cost me the grand sum of 99 pence - nobody
else wanted it.
Called yesterday to arrange collection, got "oh, we got it out for you
and it looks like it was broken when we moved house".
How broken? "a crack, and there's a cable missing."
told them no worries, would still have it, should be able to fix it.
"but my husband has put it out to be thrown away". Told her to go
check if it was still about, I did still want it!
Got a call back today, "it was put with some old PCs and they've all
been taken away this morning.."
I asuume you've paid for this unit. In which case, what right to they
think they have to throw out an item of _your_ property?
I have a naturally suspicious mind... I would not be suprised if this
machine still exists, intact. And that the seller was disappointed with
the fianl selling price. I would watch very carefully for a similar
machine appearing...
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad?
Or it it had
sold for more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
That actualy is a problem. The final selling price in an auction is not
the true value of the machine, in that the high bidder may well ahve been
prpared to pay more for it, but didn't have to.
The problem is, old == worthless, and if it's worthless (reinforced by
it selling for almost nothing, even though that's all they asked for)
then it doesn't matter.
OK, it's not like it was a set of backup discs from Prestel itself,
just a terminal to access it, but it's still galling. (The other, I'd
drive to the other end of the country to kick down their door if I
thought it would put me on the trail of them!)
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify leaving them a Neg...
I think I'd do that as a starting point./ And then consider other (legal)
ways of redress.
-tony
5:32 p.m.
Rob wrote:
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
I bid on, and won, a Tandata TD4000, complete with what looks like a
matching branded monitor. Cost me the grand sum of 99 pence - nobody
else wanted it.
Called yesterday to arrange collection, got "oh, we got it out for you
and it looks like it was broken when we moved house".
How broken? "a crack, and there's a cable missing."
told them no worries, would still have it, should be able to fix it.
"but my husband has put it out to be thrown away". Told her to go
check if it was still about, I did still want it!
Got a call back today, "it was put with some old PCs and they've all
been taken away this morning.."
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad? Or it it had
sold for more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
The problem is, old == worthless, and if it's worthless (reinforced by
it selling for almost nothing, even though that's all they asked for)
then it doesn't matter.
OK, it's not like it was a set of backup discs from Prestel itself,
just a terminal to access it, but it's still galling. (The other, I'd
drive to the other end of the country to kick down their door if I
thought it would put me on the trail of them!)
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify leaving them a Neg...
Guys, cool down everybody.
That sort of ugly things happen every day overall on to world to us.
people are assholes, aren't them?
Regards,
Holm
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6:15 p.m.
One of the problems is with e-bay's fee structure.
Here is New Zealand, few people use e-Bay. They use Trade Me (
www.trademe.co.nz). One difference between Trade Me and e-Bay is that that
with Trade Me there is a fixed insertion (or what we call listing) fee.
This does not relate to the initial listed price. In other words, there is
no difference in fees to the seller if the item is listed for 0.99 cents or
$999.
This means that you hardly EVER see items listed for tiny amounts unless
they are a pick-up only or are really easy to ship, like books, CDs or
computer cards. People normally list at the minimum price they would like
to get for the item plus a no-reserve. It doesn't cost them any more to do
so.
Although shipping costs are calculated separately, it means someone with an
old computer that they really just want to get rid of, could list it at,
say $20-no-reserve which might be the "hassel-factor' in shipping it.
Point is, it will cost them no more listing the item at that than at 0.99
cents, which is not the case with e-bay.
In summary with e-bay, there is a fee incentive to list well below the
minimum price of what the seller really feels the item is worth. With
Trade Me there is no incentive for a low listing so people list at the
minimum price they are prepared to let something go at. If it goes higher,
it's a bonus.
It avoids the kind of problem being dicussed.
Terry (Tezza)
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
Rob wrote:
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
I bid on, and won, a Tandata TD4000, complete with what looks like a
matching branded monitor. Cost me the grand sum of 99 pence - nobody
else wanted it.
Called yesterday to arrange collection, got "oh, we got it out for you
and it looks like it was broken when we moved house".
How broken? "a crack, and there's a cable missing."
told them no worries, would still have it, should be able to fix it.
"but my husband has put it out to be thrown away". Told her to go
check if it was still about, I did still want it!
Got a call back today, "it was put with some old PCs and they've all
been taken away this morning.."
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad? Or it it had
sold for more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
The problem is, old == worthless, and if it's worthless (reinforced by
it selling for almost nothing, even though that's all they asked for)
then it doesn't matter.
OK, it's not like it was a set of backup discs from Prestel itself,
just a terminal to access it, but it's still galling. (The other, I'd
drive to the other end of the country to kick down their door if I
thought it would put me on the trail of them!)
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify leaving them a Neg...
Guys, cool down everybody.
That sort of ugly things happen every day overall on to world to us.
people are assholes, aren't them?
Regards,
Holm
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6 Mar
6 Mar
4:28 a.m.
I see the eBay seller is getting plenty of stick and rightfully so. Give 'em
a bad plug I say.
But here's a very positive 99c eBay experience.
I have thing for black IBM's and won an AS/400 for 99c (I now have three of
the monoliths :-) - went down to pick it up, paid the guy and he also gave
me another IBM desktop PC (in very good condition) he was going to toss.
++++++++++
Kevin Parker
++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:09
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: old == worthless.
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
I bid on, and won, a Tandata TD4000, complete with what looks like a
matching branded monitor. Cost me the grand sum of 99 pence - nobody else
wanted it.
Called yesterday to arrange collection, got "oh, we got it out for you and
it looks like it was broken when we moved house".
How broken? "a crack, and there's a cable missing."
told them no worries, would still have it, should be able to fix it.
"but my husband has put it out to be thrown away". Told her to go check if
it was still about, I did still want it!
Got a call back today, "it was put with some old PCs and they've all been
taken away this morning.."
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad? Or it it had sold for
more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
The problem is, old == worthless, and if it's worthless (reinforced by it
selling for almost nothing, even though that's all they asked for) then it
doesn't matter.
OK, it's not like it was a set of backup discs from Prestel itself, just a
terminal to access it, but it's still galling. (The other, I'd drive to the
other end of the country to kick down their door if I thought it would put
me on the trail of them!)
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify leaving them a Neg...
9:10 a.m.
I have thing for black IBM's and won an AS/400 for
99c
... !!!!!!
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9:21 a.m.
On 6 March 2012 14:10, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
seconded..!
Thanks for all the comments - never had to leave a neg before, but yes
I think it's deserved. So I have...
I've got a regular search set up on eBay that emails me if anything
relevant pops up, (and usually a few things that are not - you'd not
think so many items would have V23 in them) so should spot if it
reappears...
I have thing
for black IBM's and won an AS/400 for 99c
... !!!!!! 
11:17 a.m.
On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
He over paid. :)
g.
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I have thing
for black IBM's and won an AS/400 for 99c
... !!!!!!
12:26 p.m.
I have thing for black IBM's and won an AS/400 for
99c
... !!!!!! 
2:31 p.m.
On 05/03/12 15:09, Rob wrote:
"but my husband has put it out to be thrown
away". Told her to go
check if it was still about, I did still want it!
Got a call back today, "it was put with some old PCs and they've all
been taken away this morning.."
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad? Or it it had
sold for more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
I'm on the verge of giving up on ebay. In the past few months I've had:
- One seller cancelled my bid five minutes from the end of the auction
and closed it as "item no longer available." Then sent me an extremely
rude email accusing me of "wasting her time", "trying to get a valuable
item for nothing" and "ripping her off".
The item in question? An old Amiga software disk, sans any form of
packaging... just the disk. Not even a particularly rare one either.
For bonus points, they keep changing their damned user ID.
- Another whackjob whom I paid ?20 for a SCSI card, then emailed me a
day later to say "the postage was too low". "OK, how much does it come
to?"... "total would be ?49 but I need it sending by bank transfer."
I politely declined and asked for a refund.. he refused. One PayPal
claim in my favour (and after screwing several other people) later...
ebay NARU'd him. Good riddance.
Both of these crazies are now on my block list. Except the first one
keeps dropping off when she changes her damned user ID...
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3:39 p.m.
On Mar 6, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
I'm on the verge of giving up on ebay. In the past
few months I've had:
- One seller cancelled my bid five minutes from the end of the auction
and closed it as "item no longer available." Then sent me an extremely
rude email accusing me of "wasting her time", "trying to get a valuable
item for nothing" and "ripping her off".
The item in question? An old Amiga software disk, sans any form of
packaging... just the disk. Not even a particularly rare one either.
For bonus points, they keep changing their damned user ID.
And possibly the saddest part of this is that (unless there was a reserve
placed), you could have bid a million dollars/pounds and she wouldn't
have known, because no one else was bidding. That's just how eBay works
(or doesn't, depending on your perspective).
- Dave
3:56 p.m.
On 6 March 2012 20:39, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
And possibly the saddest part of this is that (unless there was a reserve
placed), you could have bid a million dollars/pounds and she wouldn't
have known, because no one else was bidding. ?That's just how eBay works
(or doesn't, depending on your perspective).
Indeed. The TD4000 that I started this thread about, I won at an
uncontested opening price of ?0.99. I'd put a max bid of around
?15.00 on it, and might have gone more..
5:07 p.m.
> - One seller cancelled my bid five minutes from
the end of the auction
> and closed it as "item no longer available." Then sent me an extremely
> rude email accusing me of "wasting her time", "trying to get a
valuable
> item for nothing" and "ripping her off".
> The item in question? An old Amiga software disk, sans any form of
> packaging... just the disk. Not even a particularly rare one either.
> For bonus points, they keep changing their damned user ID.
On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, David Riley wrote:
And possibly the saddest part of this is that (unless
there was a reserve
placed), you could have bid a million dollars/pounds and she wouldn't
have known, because no one else was bidding. That's just how eBay works
(or doesn't, depending on your perspective).
The Seller sets the minimum bid amount. If they are seriously offended by
that amount, might one suggest suicide?
3:45 p.m.
Philip Pemberton wrote:
For that, I would see if I could get their ID suspended. I would submit
the email as evidence.
Peace... Sridhar
"but my
husband has put it out to be thrown away". Told her to go
check if it was still about, I did still want it!
Got a call back today, "it was put with some old PCs and they've all
been taken away this morning.."
Would they have done the same if it had been an iPad? Or it it had
sold for more than a pittance? I'd certainly have paid more!
I'm on the verge of giving up on ebay. In the past few months I've had:
- One seller cancelled my bid five minutes from the end of the auction
and closed it as "item no longer available." Then sent me an extremely
rude email accusing me of "wasting her time", "trying to get a valuable
item for nothing" and "ripping her off".
The item in question? An old Amiga software disk, sans any form of
packaging... just the disk. Not even a particularly rare one either.
For bonus points, they keep changing their damned user ID. 
7 Mar
7 Mar
8:52 a.m.
* William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> [120306 19:28]:
Please quote the selling policy as what I've seen in the selling policy
states that that's only illegal if a seller does that because they don't
like the final price.
Short of the seller coming right out and saying that was the case it is
practically impossible for eBay to prove that.
Many sellers sell locally as well and cancel an auction if the item
"sells locally."
I've had many sellers also give the "it's broken" after I've won an
auction and also tell me "I can't find it in the warehouse."
Usually when I've won the auction at a good price (for me.) Though to
be fair one of the "I can't find it in the warehouse, we must have sold
it locally" sellers came by another similar product and offered it to me
for the same price.
Todd
?- One seller
cancelled my bid five minutes from the end of the auction
and closed it as "item no longer available."
A seller can not do this - Ebay will not allow this scenario to
happen. Refer to the selling policy.
--
Will 
9:08 a.m.
Please quote the selling policy as what I've seen
in the selling policy
states that that's only illegal if a seller does that because they don't
like the final price.
(sorry for the smooshed formatting)
From Ebay:
Requirements
Your ability to end a listing early depends on the amount of time
remaining in the listing and whether the listing has received any
bids.
If there are 12 hours or more before the end of the listing, you can
end the listing early without restrictions. If there are any bids on
your item when you end the listing, you'll be asked whether you want
to cancel the bids or sell the item to the high bidder.
If there are 12 hours or less before the end of the listing, your
ability to end the listing early depends on whether there are any bids
on the item and whether the item has a reserve price.
Number of bids on the item
Can the listing be ended early?
No bids, including no canceled bids
Yes, as long as there aren't any canceled bids.
1 or more bids
Yes, but you must sell the item to the high bidder.
1 or more bids, but the item's reserve price wasn't met
No
--
Will
10:25 a.m.
* William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> [120307 09:10]:
Thank you Will. I certainly didn't see that when I've looked through
the sellers rules on eBay.
Todd
Please quote
the selling policy as what I've seen in the selling policy
states that that's only illegal if a seller does that because they don't
like the final price.
(sorry for the smooshed formatting)
From Ebay:
Requirements
Your ability to end a listing early depends on the amount of time
remaining in the listing and whether the listing has received any
bids.
If there are 12 hours or more before the end of the listing, you can
end the listing early without restrictions. If there are any bids on
your item when you end the listing, you'll be asked whether you want
to cancel the bids or sell the item to the high bidder.
If there are 12 hours or less before the end of the listing, your
ability to end the listing early depends on whether there are any bids
on the item and whether the item has a reserve price.
Number of bids on the item
Can the listing be ended early?
No bids, including no canceled bids
Yes, as long as there aren't any canceled bids.
1 or more bids
Yes, but you must sell the item to the high bidder.
1 or more bids, but the item's reserve price wasn't met
No
--
Will
9:13 a.m.
Please quote the selling policy as what I've seen
in the selling policy
states that that's only illegal if a seller does that because they don't
like the final price.
Additionally - you missed the point. According to the Ebay policy, the
scenario that was presented *could not* happen. The seller would not
have been able to end the auction early with only 5 minutes left and a
cancelled bid in the system. The system *will not* allow it, not
matter what any of us thinks of it.
--
Will
9:29 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM, William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
Additionally - you missed the point. According to the
Ebay policy, the
scenario that was presented *could not* happen. The seller would not
have been able to end the auction early with only 5 minutes left and a
cancelled bid in the system. The system *will not* allow it, not
matter what any of us thinks of it.
You'd also think the system would not accidentally tell the seller to
send an item to a deleted address, and then strangely list the item as
the correct address when it is looked up later, causing the package to
vanish.
A parcel tracked by Royal Mail (with a tracking number) should not
then vanish into thin air.
The people who used to work with me, whom I asked to accept delivery
of the thing, when it became clear that it was going to the wrong
address, shouldn't have returned it anyway.
The person who posted it should not have posted it without her return address.
Sigh.
I think I'm out ?100.
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9:33 a.m.
On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:13 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
How recent is that? I certainly saw things like that in days of yore. I
don't know how recent the auction in question was, either.
- Dave
Please quote
the selling policy as what I've seen in the selling policy
states that that's only illegal if a seller does that because they don't
like the final price.
Additionally - you missed the point. According to the Ebay policy, the
scenario that was presented *could not* happen. The seller would not
have been able to end the auction early with only 5 minutes left and a
cancelled bid in the system. The system *will not* allow it, not
matter what any of us thinks of it.
10:30 a.m.
* William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> [120307 09:17]:
I don't think I missed the point. I have certainly seen that happen.
Perhaps it was six minutes early. Frankly, I consider cancelling it in
the last day of listing as suspicious.
In any case, my beef is more with the sellers who cancel the auction
after I'm a winning bidder.
Stuff happens and I know not all of the sellers who do that have ill
intent, but it happens much more often than I'd like and I haven't found
any recourse to eBay with regards to it.
In fact, I was just issued a refund minutes ago after paying for two of an
item (the auction was for two) when the seller realized they didn't have two.
I have no reason to believe it to be any other reason than a mistake or
carelessness on their part, but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth.
TOdd
Please quote
the selling policy as what I've seen in the selling policy
states that that's only illegal if a seller does that because they don't
like the final price.
Additionally - you missed the point. According to the Ebay policy, the
scenario that was presented *could not* happen. The seller would not
have been able to end the auction early with only 5 minutes left and a
cancelled bid in the system. The system *will not* allow it, not
matter what any of us thinks of it.
--
Will
10:39 a.m.
Perhaps it was six minutes early. ?Frankly, I consider
cancelling it in
the last day of listing as suspicious.
It would have to have been 12 hours and 1 second earlier.
I am not defending the dirtbag seller - but just pointing out
something that bugs me. There tends to be a good amount of
exaggeration when it comes to describing Ebay seller horror stories.
Exaggerating the facts does not help anyone.
Hmmm...nobody exaggerates the Ebay success stories.
--
Will
10:56 a.m.
On Mar 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
Hmmm...nobody exaggerates the Ebay success stories.
I mean, if you got an AS/400 for $0.99, it's kind of
hard to exaggerate unless you said you got it for a penny,
and what difference does that make? :-)
Kidding aside, I do tend to gloss over the nuances of the
time I got a Wurlitzer 200 for a steal on eBay. I had to
drive up to north central NJ from Columbia, MD (about a 4
hour drive each way) after work, and it had a busted amp,
but $500 was still a steal for one in good mechanical
condition. It's one of my favorite eBay finds ever, and
I just tell people I got a Wurlitzer 200 in good shape
(red case, even) for $500.
- Dave
11:03 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:56 PM, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
I got a MAC SE for ?5 but the analogue board has died. I can't find a
euro analogue board anywhere...
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Hmmm...nobody exaggerates the Ebay success
stories.
I mean, if you got an AS/400 for $0.99, it's kind of
hard to exaggerate unless you said you got it for a penny,
and what difference does that make? :-)
11:21 a.m.
On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:03 AM, John Many Jars wrote:
I got a MAC SE for ?5 but the analogue board has died.
I can't find a
euro analogue board anywhere...
I have a dead-tree copy of the Dead Mac Scrolls, which has
repair instructions on the whole machine, including things
like analog boards. It covers at least to the SE. If you
can describe the problem (other than just "it's dead, Jim",
though I'm sure there are a few pages on that, too), I
could probably scan a few relevant pages and send them
your way.
- Dave
11:30 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:21 PM, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:03 AM, John Many Jars wrote:
(:
I used to be a Mac tech... at a Mac repair center. The symptom was a
typical analog board dead symptom. When she who must be obeyed (and
likes to ship toilet paper but not computers) isn't looking, I'll
power it up and let you know!
I miss my Mac II... she wouldn't ship it either...
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Your mama's so FAT she doesn't support files larger than 4 GB.
I got a MAC SE for ?5 but the analogue board has
died. ?I can't find a
euro analogue board anywhere...
I have a dead-tree copy of the Dead Mac Scrolls, which has
repair instructions on the whole machine, including things
like analog boards. ?It covers at least to the SE. ?If you
can describe the problem (other than just "it's dead, Jim",
though I'm sure there are a few pages on that, too), I
could probably scan a few relevant pages and send them
your way. 
2:19 p.m.
On 03/07/2012 11:30 AM, John Many Jars wrote:
I used to be a Mac tech... at a Mac repair center.
The symptom was a
typical analog board dead symptom. When she who must be obeyed (and
likes to ship toilet paper but not computers) isn't looking, I'll
power it up and let you know!
I miss my Mac II... she wouldn't ship it either...
We've really gotta get you a new wife. I'll be hitting some surplus
places next week; I'll keep me eyes open.
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
3:39 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
?We've really gotta get you a new wife. ?I'll
be hitting some surplus places
next week; I'll keep me eyes open.
Heh. Thanks for looking! (for both things.)
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2:38 p.m.
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, John Many Jars wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Dave McGuire
<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
You could always remove the "my things are more important than your
junk" patch. (it interferes with the "screw like a mink" update as well)
g.
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?We've really gotta get you a new wife.
?I'll be hitting some surplus places
next week; I'll keep me eyes open.
Heh. Thanks for looking! (for both things.)
12:55 p.m.
Hmmm...nobody
exaggerates the Ebay success stories.
I mean, if you got an AS/400 for $0.99,
it's kind of
hard to exaggerate unless you said you got it for a penny,
and what difference does that make? :-)
6:36 p.m.
I mean, if you got an AS/400 for $0.99, it's kind
of
hard to exaggerate unless you said you got it for a penny,
and what difference does that make? :-)
I suppose I am thinking "success" on a different way. Sure, anyone
that has been hanging around Ebay long enough has managed to get a
super deal, like an AS/400 for a buck, but those occurrences are
pretty much luck and/or timing. What I am thinking about is winning an
Ebay auction - maybe for a buck, maybe for something over market
value, it does not matter - and getting something extra from the
auction, or really great service. For example, once I won a World War
2 era radar piece for a fair price, and to my surprise, packed along
with it was new-in-box ARC-5 receiver (a nice, quite desirable unit
from that era). The seller packed it along as a bonus.
No funny
business, no shipping errors - just a bonus.
That is the kind of success that almost ever gets reported, and never
gets exaggerated.
But, as usual, in our brains the bad things in this world tend to
crowd out the good things.
--
Will
7:43 p.m.
In article <CANij+ddFLC74WAQPvr_dK-rxJnCVk8EFPtWDq6GpQF4uEWi3Dg at mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
I suppose I am thinking "success" on a
different way. Sure, anyone
that has been hanging around Ebay long enough has managed to get a
super deal, like an AS/400 for a buck, but those occurrences are
pretty much luck and/or timing. What I am thinking about is winning an
Ebay auction - maybe for a buck, maybe for something over market
value, it does not matter - and getting something extra from the
auction, or really great service. [...]
When I bought the Aesthedes, the seller was not an ebay regular and
was very helpful in working out the shipping arrangements with me.
(My largest shipment yet, several very large freight pallets.)
Additionally, there are certain ebay sellers I've worked with
repeatedly over the years and I'm always happy to do business with
them again because the service is great. They always pack things
properly in a NEW box and nothing ever gets damaged. (i.e. SGI
Indigo^2s which are pretyt heavy yet come in a delicate plastic skin)
Unfortunately one of the regular sellers I dealt with in this category
retired from the surplus business. This was after I spotted a bulk
lot listing of his on ebay where it mentioned "CDC console, CDC
terminals" and I negotiated with him to buy those separately from the
lot. It was the CDC CC425 console (big square tube, not the dual
round tube) and several CDC Viking PLATO terminals with PLATO
keyboards and the touch screen.
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9:05 p.m.
On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Richard wrote:
In article <CANij+ddFLC74WAQPvr_dK-rxJnCVk8EFPtWDq6GpQF4uEWi3Dg at
mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
Likewise, I've actually had pretty good dealings with a lot of the
resellers on eBay (I guess I'm mostly thinking of EMI). They ship a
lot of stuff to people who generally want it working, so they pack it
well enough. The prices aren't generally above what I'm willing to
pay, either (they are, of course, almost universally Buy It Now, so
there's no risk of someone feeling like they got a raw deal).
I guess it's just hard to exaggerate real success stories on eBay
without sounding absurd ("I bought a VAX-11/780 new in box for five
bucks, and they brought it over themselves on an ELEPHANT"). The
most I can do without feeling uncomfortable is gloss over some of
the imperfections (yeah, the guy who sold me the Wurlitzer was pretty
sketchy and he only wanted cash, but hey). Griping about what went
wrong, though (maybe with a bit of embellishment, which is a
stackable attribute) is a human trait everyone excels at.
- Dave
I suppose I am thinking "success" on a
different way. Sure, anyone
that has been hanging around Ebay long enough has managed to get a
super deal, like an AS/400 for a buck, but those occurrences are
pretty much luck and/or timing. What I am thinking about is winning an
Ebay auction - maybe for a buck, maybe for something over market
value, it does not matter - and getting something extra from the
auction, or really great service. [...]
When I bought the Aesthedes, the seller was not an ebay regular and
was very helpful in working out the shipping arrangements with me.
(My largest shipment yet, several very large freight pallets.)
Additionally, there are certain ebay sellers I've worked with
repeatedly over the years and I'm always happy to do business with
them again because the service is great. They always pack things
properly in a NEW box and nothing ever gets damaged. (i.e. SGI
Indigo^2s which are pretyt heavy yet come in a delicate plastic skin)
8 Mar
8 Mar
10:25 a.m.
I want this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/commodore-sx-64-/190649364678?pt=UK_VintageComput…
But Bedfordshire is really far away.
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10:43 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, John Many Jars
<john at yoyodyne-propulsion.net> wrote:
I want this:
?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/commodore-sx-64-/190649364678?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item2c639670c6#ht_500wt_1173
A fun machine and not a bad price for it. Cheaper than the shipping
and COD fee I paid for the one I have.
-ethan
7 Mar
7 Mar
8:13 p.m.
On 03/07/2012 06:36 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
I suppose I am thinking "success" on a
different way. Sure, anyone
that has been hanging around Ebay long enough has managed to get a
super deal, like an AS/400 for a buck, but those occurrences are
pretty much luck and/or timing. What I am thinking about is winning an
Ebay auction - maybe for a buck, maybe for something over market
value, it does not matter - and getting something extra from the
auction, or really great service. For example, once I won a World War
2 era radar piece for a fair price, and to my surprise, packed along
with it was new-in-box ARC-5 receiver (a nice, quite desirable unit
from that era). The seller packed it along as a bonus. No funny
business, no shipping errors - just a bonus.
That is the kind of success that almost ever gets reported, and never
gets exaggerated.
But, as usual, in our brains the bad things in this world tend to
crowd out the good things.
"The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with
their bones." - Mark Antony
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
11:25 a.m.
* William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> [120307 10:47]:
OK
Perhaps it was
six minutes early. ?Frankly, I consider cancelling it in
the last day of listing as suspicious.
It would have to have been 12 hours and 1 second earlier.
I am not defending the dirtbag seller - but just pointing out
something that bugs me. There tends to be a good amount of
exaggeration when it comes to describing Ebay seller horror stories.
Exaggerating the facts does not help anyone.
Yes, understood. But as I said, a cancellation within the last day is
suspicious to me. And after the fact really sours me to the experience.
Hmmm...nobody exaggerates the Ebay success stories.
--
Will
There are eBay success stories?
Seriously, being the winning bidder on multiple thousand auctions I have
found that the majority of sellers seem to be honest and comunicative.
With the state that USPS, UPS, and Fedex have delivered packages to me
I've had many chances to contact sellers with respect to items broken in
shipping (some due to mindboggling poor packing and some just
mindboggling in how the shipping agent managed to damage it.) Many
sellers have been very good and responsive to that as well. And in the
cases where they have not, eBay's resolution process has been a positive
experience (though I'd usually much rather have the item in good
condition than get my money back.)
Todd
5:13 p.m.
In article <20120307162556.GY3334 at ns1.bonedaddy.net>,
Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> writes:
There are eBay success stories?
Yes, I'm one of them. It would have been nearly impossible to gather
the collection of my museum together without ebay. There are things
that frustrate me about ebay and definitely things that frustrate me
about sellers on ebay, but for the most part I'm happy with it, which
is why I keep using it.
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5:31 p.m.
On 03/07/2012 05:13 PM, Richard wrote:
I have to voice agreement here, as odd as that may be.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
There are eBay
success stories?
Yes, I'm one of them. It would have been nearly impossible to gather
the collection of my museum together without ebay. There are things
that frustrate me about ebay and definitely things that frustrate me
about sellers on ebay, but for the most part I'm happy with it, which
is why I keep using it. 
11 Mar
11 Mar
1:27 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 03:09:20PM +0000, Rob wrote:
Bl@@dy ebay sellers...
Sigh.. Anyway rant over. Wonder if I can justify leaving them a Neg...
Oh yes, that deserves negative feedback:
- they put it on ebay
- you've won the auction
- instead of fulfilling their side of the contract and shipping it
to you, they threw it away (probably because they were too lazy to
pack it after collecting just 99 pence for it)
- sounds like breach of contract to me --> negative feedback
Kind regards,
Alex.
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