10 Oct
2016
10 Oct
'16
4:56 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Peter Corlett <abuse at cabal.org.uk> wrote:
Find better games :)
The theme of this list means that I should recommend some retro games and
gaming systems...
I am actively seeking lists of favorite games on all platforms prior
to 1995. Specifically, things that require Windows and a Pentium and
newer are out of bounds. I'm attempting to breathe some excitement
into a retro-gaming meetup I hold a few times a year at our
hackerspace. I'm already bringing the hardware - to date, Commodore
PET, Commodore 64, Apple II, Atari 2600, PDP-8 (emulated for now), and
curses-based UNIX games, and would like to add more platforms. I'm
especially interested in any favorites that run on dumb terminals (I
have numerous ones to bring in, and have a VT220 already in the
collection).
Yes, I know a bunch of games that run on those platforms. I'm looking
for other people's favorites because that is what will stimulate
interest in the meetups. I already bring my own favorites, but
learning what other people remember fondly - tapping into their
nostalgia - will be a big help.
In bounds are any machines from the 70s and 80s that a) are common
enough to lay hands on or b) have a reasonable emulator on modern
platforms. I will probably add DOS games to the list, but that's not
the focus at first - 8-bit microcomputers and minicomputers are at the
top of the list. Emulation via simh is acceptable but I'll try to dig
up the original hardware where possible.
If you've played anything in the past 3 years, I'd especially like to
hear about it since that speaks to enjoyment and replayability. If
you like it, someone here will probably like it too.
Thanks for any and all suggestions!
-ethan
10 Oct
10 Oct
6:34 p.m.
Surely someone can come up with a VideoBrain.
Dwight
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Subject: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Peter Corlett <abuse at cabal.org.uk> wrote:
Find better games :)
The theme of this list means that I should recommend some retro games and
gaming systems...
I am actively seeking lists of favorite games on all platforms prior
to 1995. Specifically, things that require Windows and a Pentium and
newer are out of bounds. I'm attempting to breathe some excitement
into a retro-gaming meetup I hold a few times a year at our
hackerspace. I'm already bringing the hardware - to date, Commodore
PET, Commodore 64, Apple II, Atari 2600, PDP-8 (emulated for now), and
curses-based UNIX games, and would like to add more platforms. I'm
especially interested in any favorites that run on dumb terminals (I
have numerous ones to bring in, and have a VT220 already in the
collection).
Yes, I know a bunch of games that run on those platforms. I'm looking
for other people's favorites because that is what will stimulate
interest in the meetups. I already bring my own favorites, but
learning what other people remember fondly - tapping into their
nostalgia - will be a big help.
In bounds are any machines from the 70s and 80s that a) are common
enough to lay hands on or b) have a reasonable emulator on modern
platforms. I will probably add DOS games to the list, but that's not
the focus at first - 8-bit microcomputers and minicomputers are at the
top of the list. Emulation via simh is acceptable but I'll try to dig
up the original hardware where possible.
If you've played anything in the past 3 years, I'd especially like to
hear about it since that speaks to enjoyment and replayability. If
you like it, someone here will probably like it too.
Thanks for any and all suggestions!
-ethan
6:46 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:34 PM, dwight <dkelvey at hotmail.com> wrote:
Surely someone can come up with a VideoBrain.
I have heard of the VideoBrain, but I have never seen one in person.
Excellent suggestion should one turn up, though I doubt it would
trigger much nostalgia in most attendees - fascination, surely, but
not nostalgia.
-ethan
6:48 p.m.
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102743371
I was just wondering where that went.
On 10/10/16 3:46 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:34 PM, dwight <dkelvey at
hotmail.com> wrote:
Surely someone can come up with a VideoBrain.
I have heard of the VideoBrain, but I have never seen one in person.
Excellent suggestion should one turn up, though I doubt it would
trigger much nostalgia in most attendees - fascination, surely, but
not nostalgia.
-ethan
7:15 p.m.
?Starfleet Orion? and ?invasion Orion?. Hot-seat 2-player and solitaire, respectively,
written for the TRS-80 in basic so should adapt to other ?dumb? terminal displays
reasonably easily.
2-d movement, enter orders then stand back to see how the turn plays out. You get to
design your own starships, given a cost system, or they had several scenarios you could
play.
Wow, there?s a wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfleet_Orion
Don?t know what it would take to make it playable at two different terminals, but should
not be impossible?.
- Mark
On Oct 10, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Peter Corlett
<abuse at cabal.org.uk> wrote:
Find better games :)
The theme of this list means that I should recommend some retro games and
gaming systems...
I am actively seeking lists of favorite games on all platforms prior
to 1995. Specifically, things that require Windows and a Pentium and
newer are out of bounds. I'm attempting to breathe some excitement
into a retro-gaming meetup I hold a few times a year at our
hackerspace. I'm already bringing the hardware - to date, Commodore
PET, Commodore 64, Apple II, Atari 2600, PDP-8 (emulated for now), and
curses-based UNIX games, and would like to add more platforms. I'm
especially interested in any favorites that run on dumb terminals (I
have numerous ones to bring in, and have a VT220 already in the
collection).
Yes, I know a bunch of games that run on those platforms. I'm looking
for other people's favorites because that is what will stimulate
interest in the meetups. I already bring my own favorites, but
learning what other people remember fondly - tapping into their
nostalgia - will be a big help.
In bounds are any machines from the 70s and 80s that a) are common
enough to lay hands on or b) have a reasonable emulator on modern
platforms. I will probably add DOS games to the list, but that's not
the focus at first - 8-bit microcomputers and minicomputers are at the
top of the list. Emulation via simh is acceptable but I'll try to dig
up the original hardware where possible.
If you've played anything in the past 3 years, I'd especially like to
hear about it since that speaks to enjoyment and replayability. If
you like it, someone here will probably like it too.
Thanks for any and all suggestions!
-ethan 
7:43 p.m.
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I am actively seeking lists of favorite games on all platforms prior
to 1995.
...
If you've played anything in the past 3 years,
I'd especially like to
hear about it since that speaks to enjoyment and replayability. If
you like it, someone here will probably like it too.
Thanks for any and all suggestions!
-ethan
Some favorites that have stuck with me for a very long time, which I have
played within the last year.
A8:
Star Raiders
Star Raiders II (The Last Starfighter)
Star Raiders II (The actual sequel, just uncovered ealier this year)
Super Breakout
Frogger
Asteroids
Star Wars (the Wireframe 3D one)
DOS (low spec 2/386)
SimCity
OregonTrail
Where in the <location> is Carmen Sandiego
Wolfenstien 3D
DOS (high spec 486/Penium)
Carmegedeon
X-Wing
Tie Fighter
Dark Forces
Doom
Might and Magic
(Okay, yes, I was a total LucasArts Junky for a while. Dark Forces and
the X-Wing/Tie Fighter twins are pretty much my favorite games of all
times. These run quite well in DosBox if you can't lay your hands on
period hardware.)
--Jason
11 Oct
11 Oct
4:28 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 04:56:40PM -0400, Ethan Dicks wrote:
hackerspace. I'm already bringing the hardware -
to date, Commodore
PET, Commodore 64, Apple II, Atari 2600, PDP-8 (emulated for now), and
curses-based UNIX games, and would like to add more platforms.
I'm certain you will be overwhelmed with lists :) I arrange game-nights
on a semiregular basis with two friends and we focus on retro stuff. We
play mostly on consoles but on the C64 we recently played:
Last Ninja 2, Rock'n'Bolt, Thrust, Commando, Mancopter, Delta.
I can heartily recommend the little known Rock'N'Bolt and Mancopter.
Easy to get into and play for a short while. Great music :)
I'm especially interested in any favorites that
run on dumb terminals
(I have numerous ones to bring in, and have a VT220 already in the
collection).
With a little work you can get the original tetris running on a PDP-11,
real or emulated.
/P
8:51 a.m.
New subject: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes:
I am actively seeking lists of favorite games on all
platforms prior
to 1995.
If it's for a meetup, then I'm guessing some multiplayer games would go
down well...
On the Amiga, our favourites included: Lemmings (two mice), Stunt Car
Racer (serial link), Gravity Power, Blob Kombat, Space Taxi, XTreme
Racing, and Super Skidmarks (all two joysticks). On Unix machines, hunt
(terminal) and XPilot (X).
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9:23 a.m.
New subject: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> wrote:
On the Amiga, our favourites included: Lemmings (two mice), Stunt Car
Racer (serial link), Gravity Power, Blob Kombat, Space Taxi, XTreme
Racing, and Super Skidmarks (all two joysticks). On Unix machines, hunt
(terminal) and XPilot (X).
There was a port of Space Taxi for the Amiga? Interesting. One of my
favorites on the C-64. Off the top of my head another favorite vintage game
is Dino Eggs, which I believe the creator is working on releasing for
mobile platforms right now.
12 Oct
12 Oct
3:39 p.m.
New subject: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:23:35AM -0500, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Adam Sampson <ats
at offog.org> wrote:
+1 for dino eggs. very cute :) I played it a lot with my sister.
/P
On the Amiga, our favourites included: Lemmings (two mice), Stunt Car
Racer (serial link), Gravity Power, Blob Kombat, Space Taxi, XTreme
Racing, and Super Skidmarks (all two joysticks). On Unix machines, hunt
(terminal) and XPilot (X).
There was a port of Space Taxi for the Amiga? Interesting. One of my
favorites on the C-64. Off the top of my head another favorite vintage game
is Dino Eggs, which I believe the creator is working on releasing for
mobile platforms right now. 
11 Oct
11 Oct
10:46 a.m.
On 10 October 2016 at 22:56, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
I am actively seeking lists of favorite games on all
platforms prior
to 1995.
Classic 9" mono Mac: Crystal Quest
CBM PET: The Valley
BBC Micro: Elite
ZX Spectrum: Jet-Pac, The Hobbit, the Strangler's Aural Quest
Acorn Archimedes: Zarch (well, the Lander demo, really)
DOS PC: Doom
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11:44 a.m.
DOS PC: Doom
Last comment from me...
I played SGI Doom the other day for the first time. There are always new
discoveries, I did not even know this port existed.
There is always vintage console gaming at (what was once MARCH but is now)
the VCFed club's holiday party each December. Ian Primas always brings a
van full of vintage TVs etc. That's part of the charm, using old TVs too,
when you use the vintage consoles.
Personally for console gaming I have a Retron 5 with HDMI port. Modern
convenience. I don't use actual vintage hardware for gaming that often.
Retron 5 has an SDI card port. 5 game systems in one.
b
12:06 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:44 AM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, the SGIs were the development platform for DOOM, and
the PC version is the 'port'.
-- Charles
DOS PC: Doom
Last comment from me...
I played SGI Doom the other day for the first time. There are always new
discoveries, I did not even know this port existed.
12:24 p.m.
On 10/11/16 9:06 AM, Charles Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:44 AM, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, the SGIs were the development platform for DOOM, and
the PC version is the 'port'.
That's incorrect -- DOOM was developed on
NeXT hardware.
- Josh
DOS PC: Doom
Last comment from me...
I played SGI Doom the other day for the first time. There are always new
discoveries, I did not even know this port existed.
-- Charles
1:41 p.m.
On Oct 11, 2016, at 09:24, Josh Dersch <derschjo at
gmail.com> wrote:
Yep. In '93 (IIRC), I bought the last of the new NeXT magneto-optical cartridge that
Canon had and was selling them via Usenet. One of the buyers was some guy named John
Carmack from some company called Id Software. He paid by check and, trying to decide
whether to wait for the check to clear, I asked some co-workers also from Dallas if they
had heard of him or the company (they hadn't).
As far as Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain View in '94-95, we
played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer version of Doom. It saturated the network, so
could only be played after business hours. It ran on SPARCstations under Solaris.
alan
On 10/11/16 9:06 AM, Charles Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:44 AM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
As I understand it, the SGIs were the development platform for DOOM, and
the PC version is the 'port'.
That's incorrect -- DOOM was developed
on NeXT hardware.
DOS PC: Doom
Last comment from me...
I played SGI Doom the other day for the first time. There are always new
discoveries, I did not even know this port existed.
- Josh
-- Charles
1:57 p.m.
Get a minute on and a mame Machean at ur hackerspace ;)
Mines doing a retro computer gathering in December though I'm pritty much
the only retro computer person but it does draw interest. I also organize
synth meetups.
Skullspace
As for games SimCity original
Space quest 3
Oils well
Transport tycoon
Some.oddballs I never knew the names of off my dad's Heathkit h89 some.old
basic games u can make outa book hmm idea.. u could do a basic workshop
making a game on a old system old school to deminstrate what it was like
before games came out in easy to use formats also u can't forget zork...
On Oct 11, 2016 12:41 PM, "Alan Perry" <aperry at snowmoose.com> wrote:
That's incorrect -- DOOM was developed
on NeXT hardware.
Yep. In '93 (IIRC), I bought the last of the new NeXT magneto-optical
cartridge that Canon had and was selling them via Usenet. One of the buyers
was some guy named John Carmack from some company called Id Software. He
paid by check and, trying to decide whether to wait for the check to clear,
I asked some co-workers also from Dallas if they had heard of him or the
company (they hadn't).
As far as Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain View in
'94-95, we played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer version of Doom. It
saturated the network, so could only be played after business hours. It ran
on SPARCstations under Solaris.
alan
On Oct 11, 2016, at 09:24, Josh Dersch
<derschjo at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/11/16 9:06 AM, Charles Anthony wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:44 AM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> DOS PC: Doom
>>>
>>>
>> Last comment from me...
>>
>> I played SGI Doom the other day for the first time. There are always
new
discoveries, I did not even know this port existed.
As I understand it, the SGIs were the development platform for DOOM, and
the PC version is the 'port'.
- Josh
-- Charles
11 Oct
11 Oct
2:03 p.m.
On 11 October 2016 at 19:41, Alan Perry <aperry at snowmoose.com> wrote:
As far as Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain View in '94-95, we
played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer version of Doom.
I think you might be conflating 2 games here.
Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.
However, no more than 4.
Quake III Arena was a separate release, the 3rd generation of the
Quake series, which itself was the OpenGL-accelerated sequel to Doom,
with actual vertical 3D in its levels. (Doom only faked this.) Quake
allowed up to 16 players in deathmatch mode, and ran over TCP/IP. I do
not know about the limitations in Quake II, which was AFAICR
Windows-only on the PC, let alone Quake III.
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Subject: Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])
On 11 October 2016 at 19:41, Alan Perry <aperry at snowmoose.com> wrote:
My sons' friends used to come to our house to play as at the time we were the only one
with two computers and a network...
As far as Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain View
in
'94-95, we played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer version of Doom.
I think you might be conflating 2 games here.
Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.
However, no more than 4.
Quake III Arena was a separate release, the 3rd generation of the Quake
series, which itself was the OpenGL-accelerated sequel to Doom, with actual
vertical 3D in its levels. (Doom only faked this.) Quake allowed up to 16
players in deathmatch mode, and ran over TCP/IP. I do not know about the
limitations in Quake II, which was AFAICR Windows-only on the PC, let alone
Quake III.
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8:27 p.m.
On 11 October 2016 at 20:11, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
My sons' friends used to come to our house to play
as at the time we were the only one with two computers and a network...
Yes, for me, it was the first ever _home_ network I constructed -- to
connect my and my flatmate's PCs, over a parallel Laplink cable, but
via a proper Win95 Direct Cable Connection LAN running IPX, so we
could deathmatch in Doom 1. :-)
I named it "KEEPIER" after the building we lived in, and as various
machines came and went, that LAN name remained for well over 15 years
after 2 home moves. It's gone now, sadly.
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3:22 p.m.
New subject: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [
Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> writes:
Nope:
http://www.sirbooga.com/doomarena.html
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As far as
Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain
View in '94-95, we played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer
version of Doom.
I think you might be conflating 2 games here.
8:25 p.m.
New subject: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [
On 11 October 2016 at 21:22, Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> wrote:
(!)
Fair enough! I'd never heard of that before, but then, I've never used
a Sun network in my life. A tiny handful of standalone machines,
nothing else.
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12 Oct
2:30 a.m.
New subject: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [
For anyone interested in exploring some of this stuff further, I (first) found
lots of dead links, but came up with this one with binaries for Sun, SGI and the
original NeXT format.
<http://www.gamers.org/games/doom/>
I still have a SparcStation 10 + a Leo/ZX frame buffer that I spent a lot of
time hunting down back in the day to work with the Sun stuff on. I was a little
sad to see comments that performance on the Leo framebuffer was not very impressive.
Jerry
On 10/11/16 02:22 PM, Adam Sampson wrote:
Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> writes:
Nope:
http://www.sirbooga.com/doomarena.html
As far as
Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain
View in '94-95, we played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer
version of Doom.
I think you might be conflating 2 games here. 
5:22 a.m.
As far as Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain View
in '94-95, we played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer version of Doom.
I think you might be conflating 2 games here.
Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.
12:55 p.m.
This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.
I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the (DOS)
network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I recall the
article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes using broadcast
packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.
Off to Duckduckgo to see if I can find that article.
Jerry
On 10/12/16 04:22 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>
>>
Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.
1:05 p.m.
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote:
This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.
I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the
(DOS) network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I
recall the article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes
using broadcast packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.
If memory serves it caused quite a stir at Intel at one point. :)
g.
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supporting links, but not the original article from back in the day.
<http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_in_workplaces>
<https://www.coursehero.com/file/p75til/When-the-game-Doom-first-came-out-this-was-a-complaint-about-its-network-code/>
<https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-users/200802/msg00205.html>
<>
On 10/12/16 11:55 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote:
This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.
I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the (DOS)
network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I recall the
article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes using broadcast
packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.
Off to Duckduckgo to see if I can find that article.
Jerry
On 10/12/16 04:22 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
>> IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.
>>
>
1:14 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Jerry Kemp <other at oryx.us> wrote:
This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.
I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the
(DOS) network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I
recall the article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes
using broadcast packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.
My memories of multiplayer Doom on DOS machines go back to IPX over
Arcnet because at the time, Arcnet cards were much cheaper than
Ethernet, plus a simple 4-port Arcnet hub was 4 BNCs and 4 resistors.
The game networking code could be disruptive because it was common to
be on a private network. That expectation did not extend to playing
on an office or campus Ethernet network. I think later versions of
Doom toned the broadcast traffic down a bit.
When I was at McMurdo in the late 1990s, the network engineer could
always tell when someone was playing Doom, even solo, because the
version at the time would kick off a broadcast storm to look for
visible nodes and other players then settle down, and that left a
characteristic pattern of fireworks on his OpsView console.
-ethan
11 Oct
11 Oct
1:37 p.m.
As I understand it, the SGIs were the development
platform for DOOM, and
the PC version is the 'port'.
-- Charles
SGI was a development platform for Nintendo 64 console games.
http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/my-complete-sgi-ultra64-dev-set-manual-…
--
Ethan O'Toole
12:52 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:44 AM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
Last comment from me...
I played SGI Doom the other day for the first time. There are always new
discoveries, I did not even know this port existed.
You can also play Doom on an HP / Agilent 16700 series logic analyzer
(PA-RISC CPU). It is included in the standard software installation.
10:26 p.m.
I played SGI Doom the other day for the first time.
There are always new
discoveries, I did not even know this port existed.
It's not bad. I have it on an Indy, which is where I played it originally
(wasting time at the Salk Institute as an undergrad -- we used the SGIs for
visualization of X-ray crystallography). There is also a decent SGI port of
Quake.
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11:07 p.m.
It's not bad. I have it on an Indy, which is where
I played it originally
(wasting time at the Salk Institute as an undergrad -- we used the SGIs for
visualization of X-ray crystallography). There is also a decent SGI port of
Quake.
When I worked at NASA they had a copy of Cave Quake. It could run on SGI
Onyx2 (16 processor full rack with 4 graphics outputs.) The graphics
outputs hit fiber converters that fed the video downstairs to 4 fiber
receivers, then into 4 Electrohome CRT projectors. Left front and right
walls were rear projected, 4th projector was overhead hitting bounce
mirror then floor. It was running 120hz I believe, 60hz per eye with IR
xmitters for crystal eyes LCD shutter glasses. The CRT projectors were
special with fast phosphor CRTs.
There was some sorta spatial tracked controller as well -- it was
tethered by cable as I recall. It was kind of neat but the game showed
weakness since you could look to the right and see the monsters walking
towards you but caught on the edge of the wall -- had to advance a bit
then they would come for you. I remember it was strange seeing the medical
kit clipping through my leg.
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Ethan O'Toole
12:17 p.m.
New subject: ADM 3A in Sunnyvale, CA
On Craigslist. Has bad screen rot.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/atq/5817891157.html
Bob
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12:33 p.m.
New subject: ADM 3A in Sunnyvale, CA
On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Bob Rosenbloom <bobalan at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Craigslist. Has bad screen rot.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/atq/5817891157.html
Bob
That?s an understatement! Anyone know how difficult is it to source a replacement CRT for
these?
12:43 p.m.
New subject: ADM 3A in Sunnyvale, CA
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Peter Cetinski <pete at pski.net> wrote:
I don't have one of these yet, but Sark on IRC told me you can use pretty
much any tube of the right size, and if you want to just clean the
cataracts off the existing tube, that isn't hard either.
--
Eric Christopherson
On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Bob Rosenbloom <bobalan at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
On Craigslist. Has bad screen rot.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/atq/5817891157.html
Bob
That?s an understatement! Anyone know how difficult is it to source a
replacement CRT for these?
1:14 p.m.
New subject: ADM 3A in Sunnyvale, CA
On 10/11/16 9:43 AM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
Sark on IRC told me you can use pretty
much any tube of the right size
Depending on the length of the HV lead, you may need side or
bottom anode button. VT100 is bottom, newer terminals tend to
have it on the side.
I've got an ADM3 in storage nearby, there are probably pics of
the insides on the web, though.
13 Oct
13 Oct
7:11 p.m.
New subject: ADM 3A in Sunnyvale, CA
On 10/11/16 10:14 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
Depending on the length of the HV lead, you may need
side or
bottom anode button. VT100 is bottom, newer terminals tend to
have it on the side.
Took a look this morning and the anode is on the top, but swapping tubes
will be a bit of a hassle because the mounting is pop riveted to a frame
in four places. The frame bolts onto the expansion foam top cover of the
terminal.
11 Oct
11 Oct
2:33 p.m.
New subject: ADM 3A in Sunnyvale, CA
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Peter Cetinski <pete at pski.net> wrote:
I wonder what the deal is with different ones. Mine has a perfect CRT on
it, and as far as I know it is original (I acquired mine from the guy that
built it).
On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Bob Rosenbloom <bobalan at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
On Craigslist. Has bad screen rot.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/atq/5817891157.html
Bob
That?s an understatement! Anyone know how difficult is it to source a
replacement CRT for these? 
11:37 p.m.
On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Peter Corlett <abuse at cabal.org.uk> wrote:
This is my main area of interest these days, when it comes to vintage hardware, though I?m
focused on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Gen video game systems, especially 2nd and 4th. Oddly
enough, I?m not messing with the computers, still, here are some ideas.
VIC-20:
Miner 2049er
River Raid
Omega Race
Gorf
Scramble
Commodore 64:
Omega Race
Amiga:
Tons of good games
PC:
Balance of Power
Zork
Wasteland
MS Flight Simulator
F16
X-Wing/TIE Fighter
Master of Orion - I?m a massive fan of the original game
Warlords
Warlords II
Comanche
D&D Gold Box games
Eye of the Beholder
68k Mac:
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Master of Orion (higher res than PC)
Warlords II (higher res than PC)
VAX/VMS:
DnD (reason enough for me to keep a VAX around)
PDP-11:
Pac-Man (cool to see on a VT)
Zane
Find better games :)
The theme of this list means that I should recommend some retro games and
gaming systems...
I am actively seeking lists of favorite games on all platforms prior
to 1995. Specifically, things that require Windows and a Pentium and
newer are out of bounds. I'm attempting to breathe some excitement 
12 Oct
12 Oct
3:21 a.m.
DEC PDP-10:
MACRO-10
CP/M:
Turbo Pascal
(These are significantly more challenging than most of the other games
that have been mentioned, but with more subjective scoring.)
5:42 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:37:33PM -0700, Zane Healy
wrote:
Googling for pacman.sav and RT-11 got me these:
http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/rtgames/
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rt/game…
-ethan
PDP-11:
Pac-Man (cool to see on a VT)
Where could I get a hold of this?
6:35 p.m.
Hm. I played ?air traffic controller? on Mac Plus for a while. Was there an earlier
screen-terminal version of that? Would be a completetly different game without the mouse,
but ??
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell
On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Pontus Pihlgren
<pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:37:33PM -0700, Zane
Healy wrote:
Googling for pacman.sav and RT-11 got me these:
http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/rtgames/
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rt/game…
-ethan
PDP-11:
Pac-Man (cool to see on a VT)
Where could I get a hold of this?
8:38 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Tapley, Mark <mtapley at swri.edu> wrote:
Hm. I played ?air traffic controller? on Mac Plus for
a while. Was there
an earlier screen-terminal version of that? Would be a completetly
different game without the mouse, but ??
There should be a UNIX curses version in bsdgames.
-- Charles
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