31 Jul
2014
31 Jul
'14
9:45 p.m.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vms-software-inc-named-exclusive-developer…
They're planning on porting it to x86!
Zane
31 Jul
31 Jul
10:11 p.m.
Well there goes the OpenVMS hobbyist program :(
Ian
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On Jul 31, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Zane Healy <healyzh at
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They're planning on porting it to x86!
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10:22 p.m.
No, I've seen reports from other newsgroups that the hobbyist program is expected to
continue.
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Well there goes the OpenVMS hobbyist program :(
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They're planning on porting it to x86!
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10:57 p.m.
Hurrah! I always wondered why Itanium but never x86-64. Very excited by
this; the investment in getting it ported over to x86 should guarantee us
many more years of OpenVMS goodness going forward; can't wait to run
OpenVMS on my Atom machines!! ;)
Best,
Sean
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Benjamin Huntsman <
BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu> wrote:
No, I've seen reports from other newsgroups that
the hobbyist program is
expected to continue.
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11:13 p.m.
On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
Hurrah! I always wondered why Itanium but never
x86-64. Very excited by
this; the investment in getting it ported over to x86 should guarantee us
many more years of OpenVMS goodness going forward; can't wait to run
OpenVMS on my Atom machines!! ;)
Best,
Sean
When Compaq announced the port to Itanium, x86 was still 32-bit, while OpenVMS had been
running on 64-bit Alpha's for nearly a decade.
Zane
1 Aug
1 Aug
12:40 a.m.
On 7/31/2014 8:13 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at
umich.edu> wrote:
A possibly long forgotten and pretty useless part of Itanium's promise
was to eliminate x86 by having a useful way to have future OSs on the
platform run x86 binaries. It did run them, but I don't think it was
anywhere near either the P4 which was its contemporary, or the followon
core2 type chips where intel backstepped to the P3 type pipeline.
I think there was talk or thought that that was useful for VMS and also
for windows. I think with HP and Intel's position, they could have
forced microsoft to support that platform in a world where Itanium met
the expectations.
Now about the only thing are the twitching corpses of HPUX and Tandem.
I'll read the article / tea leaves (which have not yet done) to see if
there is any impact on this defection. Really the only thing out there
now is HPUX.
I have a friend who is running her fairly large company on VMS and has
Hurrah! I always wondered why Itanium but never
x86-64. Very excited by
this; the investment in getting it ported over to x86 should guarantee us
many more years of OpenVMS goodness going forward; can't wait to run
OpenVMS on my Atom machines!! ;)
Best,
Sean
When Compaq announced the port to Itanium, x86 was still 32-bit, while
OpenVMS had been running on 64-bit Alpha's for nearly a decade.
Zane from the beginning of VMS. They have gone thru all the
permutations up
to the Itanium (I think she may still be getting an Alpha
supported)
Jim
1:05 a.m.
On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:40 AM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
Now about the only thing are the twitching corpses of
HPUX and Tandem. I'll read the article / tea leaves (which have not yet done) to see
if there is any impact on this defection. Really the only thing out there now is HPUX.
If we're talking about Itanium here, the first step on the roadmap is
to add Poulson support, something that's been long desired by VMS
users since HP came out with Poulson devices; it's honestly the first
compelling IA64 architecture to come out, honestly.
x86 isn't on the roadmap until the next major revision.
- Dave
1:23 a.m.
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:40 PM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
Now about the only thing are the twitching corpses of
HPUX and Tandem. I'll read the article / tea leaves (which have not yet done) to see
if there is any impact on this defection. Really the only thing out there now is HPUX.
Isn't HP-UX basically dead, in favor of Linux? A long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far
away, I was a SysAdmin for several HP-UX systems, I don't miss it. Apparently HP has
ported the Tandem OS to Intel 64. I'm not sure what Bull's plans are with GCOS, I
was surprised when they ported GCOS-8 to Itanium (and I worked on a GCOS-8 system).
Zane
10:56 a.m.
On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:40 PM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
Was just on the HP website, following a link to HP's announcement on the OpenVMS deal,
and noticed that "HP-UX 11i v3 March 2014" is available, so I guess I'm
wrong and it's not totally dead.
Here are the links for OpenVMS.
http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/enterprise/servers/integrity/project-odysse…
http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/enterprise/servers/integrity/project-odysse…
Zane
Now about the only thing are the twitching
corpses of HPUX and Tandem. I'll read the article / tea leaves (which have not yet
done) to see if there is any impact on this defection. Really the only thing out there
now is HPUX.
Isn't HP-UX basically dead, in favor of Linux? A long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far
away, I was a SysAdmin for several HP-UX systems, I don't miss it. Apparently HP has
ported the Tandem OS to Intel 64. I'm not sure what Bull's plans are with GCOS, I
was surprised when they ported GCOS-8 to Itanium (and I worked on a GCOS-8 system).
Zane
11:50 a.m.
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:23 AM, Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:40 PM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
Not totally dead; it actually has a lot of virtualization features
and platform management for HP platforms that Linux does not have;
in a number of cases, they've kept that more up to date than they
have for VMS.
I don't think they're doing anything new and exciting with it,
though; just maintaining it for the customers for whom they've
promised support. There was a nascent pseudo-hobbyist program for
it a long time back, but I understand it's been axed for a while.
- Dave
Now about the only thing are the twitching
corpses of HPUX and Tandem. I'll read the article / tea leaves (which have not yet
done) to see if there is any impact on this defection. Really the only thing out there
now is HPUX.
Isn't HP-UX basically dead, in favor of Linux? A long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far
away, I was a SysAdmin for several HP-UX systems, I don't miss it. Apparently HP has
ported the Tandem OS to Intel 64. I'm not sure what Bull's plans are with GCOS, I
was surprised when they ported GCOS-8 to Itanium (and I worked on a GCOS-8 system).
11:56 a.m.
Never heard about that one. I did get in on the Tru64 hobbyist program many
years ago ;) It actually ran OK on my DECpc AXP 150, just wish I would have
had a 24-bit graphics board for it. Hard to stay focused when I had an R4k
Elan Indigo sitting next to it...
Best,
Sean
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:50 AM, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:23 AM, Zane Healy <healyzh at
aracnet.com> wrote:
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:40 PM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
> Now about the only thing are the twitching corpses of HPUX and Tandem.
I'll read the article / tea leaves (which have not yet done) to see if
there is any impact on this defection. Really the only thing out there now
is HPUX.
Isn't HP-UX basically dead, in favor of Linux? A long time ago, in a
Galaxy
far, far away, I was a SysAdmin for several HP-UX systems, I don't
miss it. Apparently HP has ported the Tandem OS to Intel 64. I'm not sure
what Bull's plans are with GCOS, I was surprised when they ported GCOS-8 to
Itanium (and I worked on a GCOS-8 system).
Not totally dead; it actually has a lot of virtualization features
and platform management for HP platforms that Linux does not have;
in a number of cases, they've kept that more up to date than they
have for VMS.
I don't think they're doing anything new and exciting with it,
though; just maintaining it for the customers for whom they've
promised support. There was a nascent pseudo-hobbyist program for
it a long time back, but I understand it's been axed for a while.
- Dave
1:57 p.m.
Sean Caron schreef op 1-aug-2014 om 17:56:
Never heard about that one. I did get in on the Tru64
hobbyist
program many years ago ;) It actually ran OK on my DECpc AXP
150, just wish I would have had a 24-bit graphics board for it.
Hard to stay focused when I had an R4k Elan Indigo sitting next
to it...
I can imagine! I have several Indigo?s, O2s and a Tezro. I only still have
a Multia/UDB, which actually seems to run Tru64 UNIX (even up to the
latest version) just fine, amazingly.
- MG
2:17 p.m.
On 7/31/2014 10:23 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:40 PM, jwsmobile <jws at
jwsss.com> wrote:
The HP-UX had a reputation for transaction processing applications and
probably still does. I don't imagine a lot of new design wins are
happening but there are probably a lot of apps out there that when sold
or scaled are creating a large dollar and hardware demand for it.
I know it is a supported platform and an important one for a client I
have who supports a lot of platforms. No horizon for it anytime soon,
except for the availability of the Itanium parts and servers. I don't
know how HP is positioned for manufacturing their servers to ensure that
part of the food chain.
So when a major platform like VMS steps to what is probably going to be
a much more popular and longer lived platform that is very interesting
for all the remaining people on the Itanic who see that boat row away.
Read Tandem and HPUX as the majors. I know it was supported well by
Linux as well, but I don't know the proportion of hardware in that
area. Of course Microsoft quickly dumped it in the Windows 7 days as
far as supporting it with a server product that ran on it. (Windows 2003
server maybe?)
Now about the only thing are the twitching
corpses of HPUX and Tandem. I'll read the article / tea leaves (which have not yet
done) to see if there is any impact on this defection. Really the only thing out there
now is HPUX.
Isn't HP-UX basically dead, in favor of Linux? A long time ago,
in a Galaxy far, far away, I was a SysAdmin for several HP-UX systems, I don't miss
it. Apparently HP has ported the Tandem OS to Intel 64. I'm not sure what Bull's
plans are with GCOS, I was surprised when they ported GCOS-8 to Itanium (and I worked on a
GCOS-8 system).
Zane
11:59 a.m.
Ian McLaughlin schreef op 1-aug-2014 om 4:11:
More ideally, they'd just abolish the PAKs completely...
- MG
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2014, at 6:45 PM, Zane Healy<healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vms-software-inc-named-exclusive-developer…
They're planning on porting it to x86!
Zane
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Well there goes the OpenVMS hobbyist program :(
Ian
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31 Jul
31 Jul
10:18 p.m.
On Jul 31, 2014, at 18:45 , Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vms-software-inc-named-exclusive-developer…
They're planning on porting it to x86!
I wonder if anything will change with respect to hobbyist licensing, as well as whether
hobbyist licensing will be available for the future x86 port?
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
11:14 p.m.
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vms-software-inc-named-exclusive-developer…
They're planning on porting it to x86!
On the face of it, that's good news. I'm curious to see who the
"onshore team of veteran developers" is. The roadmap looks
promising, though it does seem to drop Alpha (finally adding
Poulson support and large (> 2TB) filesystem support, though!
- Dave
1 Aug
1 Aug
12:13 a.m.
On 07/31/2014 08:14 PM, David Riley wrote:
On the face of it, that's good news. I'm
curious to see who the
"onshore team of veteran developers" is. The roadmap looks
promising, though it does seem to drop Alpha (finally adding
Poulson support and large (> 2TB) filesystem support, though!
Wonder if it supports VAX byte ordering...?
12:32 a.m.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
Wonder if it supports VAX byte ordering...?
TTBOMK, VAX, Alpha, Itanium, and x86_64 are all little-endian. Or are
you referring to some other aspect?
I'd like to believe that after the completion of VAX to Alpha then
Alpha to Itanium ports, that there shouldn't be too much non-portable
code left, aside from any code that they're running on VAX or Alpha
simulation. If that's the case, they ought to be able to get it
running on ARMv8 as well. Since HP's likely to be selling ARMv8
servers soon...
1:13 a.m.
On 07/31/2014 09:32 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Chuck Guzis
<cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
I guess I slipped a cog--I was thinking of the PDP-11 mixed-byte
ordering (32-bit integer AABBCCDD stored as BBAADDCC--otherwise known as
the "NUXI" problem.
Fuggetaboutit--I've been doing a lot of byte-order wrestling lately and
my mind is feeling a bit warped.
--Chuck
Wonder if it supports VAX byte ordering...?
TTBOMK, VAX, Alpha, Itanium, and x86_64 are all little-endian. Or are
you referring to some other aspect? 
3:40 p.m.
On 01/08/14 05:32, Eric Smith wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Chuck Guzis
<cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
I think Alpha was bi-endian (i.e. either, I've not just dropped a letter!),
although I don't know whether anyone built a big-endian system based on
Alpha.
Antonio
Wonder if it supports VAX byte ordering...?
TTBOMK, VAX, Alpha, Itanium, and x86_64 are all little-endian. Or are
you referring to some other aspect?
4 Aug
4 Aug
3:51 a.m.
On 7/31/2014 9:45 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vms-software-inc-named-exclusive-developer…
They're planning on porting it to x86!
Zane
If you have an hour of your life to give here is a recording of the
announcement meeting along with a Q&A session afterwards.
<https://connect-community.site-ym.com/resource/resmgr/2014_OpenVMS_Bootcamp/7-31-14_OpenVMS_SIG_Meeting_.mp3>
John H. Reinhardt
10:39 a.m.
On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:51 AM, "John H. Reinhardt" <johnhreinhardt at
yahoo.com> wrote:
If you have an hour of your life to give here is a
recording of the announcement meeting along with a Q&A session afterwards.
<https://connect-community.site-ym.com/resource/resmgr/2014_OpenVMS_Bootcamp/7-31-14_OpenVMS_SIG_Meeting_.mp3>
John H. Reinhardt
Thanks for the link, now I just need to find an hour that I can spend listening to it.
I just checked and VSI has updated their site, it now appears to be 'live'.
http://www.vmssoftware.com/
Here is the FAQ that VSI just posted.
http://www.vmssoftware.com/news/announcement/faq.pdf
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