14 May
2010
14 May
'10
1:58 p.m.
I don't know if anyone on the list will care of not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay. According to the seller, it was in
storage at a museum for 18 years. They pulled it out, dusted it and
it booted DOS right away. It's a dual-floppy model.
I won't know more until it arrives, but it was sitting at zero bids
until I bid on it with < 15 minutes left in the auction. The
description the seller had used was a bit misleading and seemed to
imply only the monitor was for sale, but I confirmed it was the entire
system.
I thought that was a pretty good deal, considering how much I paid for
my first IBM PC back in 1983 or so. :) After that, I was at Weird
Stuff Warehouse and they were asking $100 just for the monochrome
monitor! But, while there, I did pick up some software bargains: A
sealed copy of CA-CommonView (C++ GUI Library) for OS/2 for $3 and a
copy of SCO Unixware 7 (appears complete) for $5. I love Weird Stuff!
Feel free to ignore this if it's too off-topic for the list. :)
Mark
14 May
14 May
2:03 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Davidson" <mdavidson1963 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:58 PM
Subject: Don't know if anyone cares, but...
After that, I was at Weird
Stuff Warehouse and they were asking $100 just for the
monochrome
monitor! But, while there, I did pick up some software bargains: A
sealed copy of CA-CommonView (C++ GUI Library) for OS/2 for $3 and a
copy of SCO Unixware 7 (appears complete) for $5. I love Weird Stuff!
Feel free to ignore this if it's too off-topic for the list. :)
Mark
The software sounds nice (thrift store like pricing), do they have a large
selection there?
2:14 p.m.
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Teo Zenios <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Davidson" <mdavidson1963 at
gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:58 PM
Subject: Don't know if anyone cares, but...
After that, I was at Weird
What they have varies greatly... it depends on when you go. Let me
think... while I was there I saw (among many other boxes) a complete
copy of dBase IV, a boxed set with Tornado OS 1.0 (I believe that's
for Real-time work, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm
wrong), a boxed copy of Paradox 3.5, Delphi Client/Server 3, SCO
OpenServer, several boxes of Intersolv PVCS, Adobe Type Library
boxes... oh, the list could go on for a while. One thing that I like
is that several of the boxes (including one I bought) had NO price, so
they asked me to pick what I wanted to pay. I figured $5 was a good
price for copy of SCO UnixWare 7.1. :)
Some of the items (like the CA-CommonView box) had been sitting there
for a while, so I think that's why it was $3. It was still in the
original (as far as I could tell) plastic wrap. I opened it up after
I bought it and sure enough, everything inside was still sealed...
manuals, diskette holder, everything. The guy at the cash register
said he shudders when he thinks about the original cost of some of the
items they sell. Now I just need to find a copy of IBM C Set/2 and
I'll be happier.
To be more specific, they have 6 or 8 cases, each with 4 or 5 shelves,
filled with software boxes. I can take and post some pictures next
time I go.
Mark
Stuff Warehouse and they were asking $100 just for the monochrome
monitor! ?But, while there, I did pick up some software bargains: ?A
sealed copy of CA-CommonView (C++ GUI Library) for OS/2 for $3 and a
copy of SCO Unixware 7 (appears complete) for $5. ?I love Weird Stuff!
Feel free to ignore this if it's too off-topic for the list. :)
Mark
The software sounds nice (thrift store like pricing), do they have a large
selection there? 
4:37 p.m.
In article <AANLkTikmRtKMDhe6PIv4FNPsG-1lOVPxE2KdmJJjzXEu at mail.gmail.com>,
Mark Davidson <mdavidson1963 at gmail.com> writes:
I don't know if anyone on the list will care of
not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay.
Good for you! Another successful rescue :-)
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15 May
15 May
11:24 a.m.
I don't know if anyone on the list will care of not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay. According to the seller, it was in
Nice!. I rememebr buying my first PC-family machine -- an IBM 5160. I
wantred as much original IBM stuff as possible. The machine I bought had
been upgraded -- the MDA card and floppy controller had been replaced by
an all-in-one video/floppy/serial/parallel/game card (I forget the model,
but it was commonly used in Opus brand PCs over here). But the seller had
kept the original PBM boards and included them with the machine. Needless
to say I put them back.
I still have that machine, it still works.
storage at a museum for 18 years. They pulled it out,
dusted it and
it booted DOS right away. It's a dual-floppy model.
I really don't like this cavalier approach of getting something out of
storage and powering it up without doing any tests first. But anyway...
Should you need any hardware help with the machine, I have the techref...
-tony
Feel free to ignore this if it's too off-topic for
the list. :)
Err, it's a computer. It's over 10 years old. Like it or not, the IBM PC
was a significant machine. How can it possibly be off-topic?
-tony
1:15 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Mark Davidson wrote:
See: satire.
I don't know if anyone on the list will care
of not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay. According to the seller, it was in
...
Feel free to ignore this if it's too
off-topic for the list. :)
Err, it's a computer. It's over 10 years old. Like it or not, the IBM PC
was a significant machine. How can it possibly be off-topic?
2:20 p.m.
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
Tony Duell wrote:
Sorry, I should have used more emoticons. :)
Mark
Mark Davidson wrote:
See: satire. I don't know if anyone on the list will care
of not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay. ?According to the seller, it was in
...
Feel free to ignore this if it's too
off-topic for the list. :)
Err, it's a computer. It's over 10 years old. Like it or not, the IBM PC
was a significant machine. How can it possibly be off-topic?
2:23 p.m.
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Oh yes... my first IBM PC was a 5150 with dual-floppy drives and a CGA
display. I went and bought a Quadram Quadboard, filled it with 384K
and dove right in. I later bought an XT controller and a 10 MB hard
drive so that I could run PC/ix (which I am still looking for; I have
the downloadable images that were posted here at one point,but I'd
still like to find a "real" copy one day).
I don't know if anyone on the list will care of not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay. ?According to the seller, it was in
Nice!. I rememebr buying my first PC-family machine -- an IBM 5160. I
wantred as much original IBM stuff as possible. The machine I bought had
been upgraded -- the MDA card and floppy controller had been replaced by
an all-in-one video/floppy/serial/parallel/game card (I forget the model,
but it was commonly used in Opus brand PCs over here). But the seller had
kept the original PBM boards and included them with the machine. Needless
to say I put them back. I still have that machine, it still works.
Neither do I, but I take what I can get. :)
storage at a museum for 18 years. ?They pulled it
out, dusted it and
it booted DOS right away. ?It's a dual-floppy model.
I really don't like this cavalier approach of getting something out of
storage and powering it up without doing any tests first. But anyway... Should you need any hardware help with the machine, I
have the techref...
Much appreciated... I might ask for help decoding the motherboard DIP
switches at some point, but that won't happen until it arrives.
-tony
I was smiling when I wrote that! :)
mark
Feel free to ignore this if it's too
off-topic for the list. :)
Err, it's a computer. It's over 10 years old. Like it or not, the IBM PC
was a significant machine. How can it possibly be off-topic? 
7:27 p.m.
it is off-topic for me. I only collect IBM-incompatibles :) :(
(smiley for politeness, frowny for off-topicness)
but if you should happen to obtain some eggregious Multibus box or what have you, I'm
all eyes :) :) :)
16 May
16 May
11:54 a.m.
it is off-topic for me. I only collect IBM-incompatibles :) :(
I suspect we use that term in different ways. For me an 'IBM
incomaptible' is an 80x86-based machine that will not run IBM PC MS-DOS
(it may well run a customisd MS-DOS). Machinss like the HP110, HP150,
FTS-88, DEC Rainbow.
Of course there are plenty of other machines which are even more
incompativle. PDP11s, for example :-).
I experienced the reverse situation. Somebody said to me 'do you want an
IBM compatible ethernet interface'. I was expecting an ISA card. What I
actually fot was a boc of electronics with Tag and Bus connectors on the
back to connect to an IBM 270 channel. Oh, and an AUI connector :-)
-tony
12:11 p.m.
On 5/16/10 2:54 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
I experienced the reverse situation. Somebody said to
me 'do you want an
IBM compatible ethernet interface'. I was expecting an ISA card. What I
actually fot was a boc of electronics with Tag and Bus connectors on the
back to connect to an IBM 270 channel. Oh, and an AUI connector :-)
Wow...I'll take that! =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
17 May
17 May
11:23 a.m.
On 5/16/10 2:54 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
> I experienced the reverse situation. Somebody said to me 'do you want an
> IBM compatible ethernet interface'. I was expecting an ISA card. What I
> actually fot was a boc of electronics with Tag and Bus connectors on the
> back to connect to an IBM 270 channel. Oh, and an AUI connector :-)
I mesant 'IBM 370 channel', of course
Wow...I'll take that! =)
That was my thought. It was made by Storagetek, and is relatively simple
inside. One large PCB, I seem to remember one ASIC but everything else
identifiable.
I don't have much use for it (I don't have anything that can control a
channel, the only other IBM channel compatible device I own is a DX11),
but it is still an interesting item in the collection.
-tony
16 May
16 May
12:21 p.m.
On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:54:47 +0100 (BST), Tony Duell wrote:
>
> it is off-topic for me. I only collect IBM-incompatibles :) :(
I suspect we use that term in different ways. For me an
'IBM
incomaptible' is an 80x86-based machine that will not run IBM PC MS-DOS
(it may well run a customisd MS-DOS). Machinss like the HP110, HP150,
FTS-88, DEC Rainbow.
Of course there are plenty of other machines which are
even more
incompativle. PDP11s, for example :-).
I experienced the reverse situation. Somebody said to
me 'do you want an
IBM compatible ethernet interface'. I was expecting an ISA card. What I
actually fot was a boc of electronics with Tag and Bus connectors on the
back to connect to an IBM 270 channel. Oh, and an AUI connector :-)
-tony
Very cool !!!
The other Bob
10:06 a.m.
> Nice!. I rememebr buying my first PC-family
machine -- an IBM 5160. I
[...]
Oh yes... my first IBM PC was a 5150 with dual-floppy
drives and a CGA
display. I went and bought a Quadram Quadboard, filled it with 384K
I forgot to mention. My first 5160 was a dual-floppy model (no hard
disk). Yes that configuration was official. Both floppy drives have the
IBM logo on the faceplate.
It took me a long time to find a CGA card for it. I could get a clone one
from the local PC shop back then, but that was one ASIC
and a bit of RAM.
I wanted (and eventually got) the full-length IBM one with a 6845
and
rows of TTL packages.
On the other hand I was less fussy about the serial card. The clone one
of those was a couple lf 8250s, 1488s, 1489s and TTL for the address
decoder. Trivial to produce a schematic of and keep going.
This XT now has 4 floppy drives (2 3.5" ones in an external cabinet), 2
hard drives (again in the extenral cabinet), MDA, CGA, 4 serial ports, a
24 line 'user port' and so on. Of course I did the modification and put
640K of RAM on the motherboard.
and dove right in. I later bought an XT controller
and a 10 MB hard
drive so that I could run PC/ix (which I am still looking for; I have
I bought Minix for mine.
[...]
I really
don't like this cavalier approach of getting something out of
storage and powering it up without doing any tests first. But anyway...
Neither do I, but I take what I can get. :)
3:59 p.m.
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Oh, so do I...
-tony
Ok, I had to make another trip out to Weird Stuff today (I was in the
neighborhood to pick up some prescriptions, so I thought "Why not?"),
and I walked away with a few more bargains that will help build up my
PC software collection.
1) Ashton-Tate's dBase IV 1.0 - looks to be complete with even the
registration card
2) Ashton-Tate's Framework XE - sealed
3) WRQ's Reflection 1 for DOS - complete, even with bonus mouse pad
I plan on using Reflection as a front end terminal emulator for my
VAXen and HP 3000.
The best part was that these all fell into the $5 category. Even my
girlfriend was impressed, as two of these were good-sized boxes.
Oh, and I picked up a pastic 5-1/4" diskette holder (the snap kind
that holds 10 diskettes) for 50 cents.
Not a bad Sunday!
Mark
> Nice!. I
rememebr buying my first PC-family machine -- an IBM 5160. I
[...]
Oh yes... my first IBM PC was a 5150 with
dual-floppy drives and a CGA
display. ?I went and bought a Quadram Quadboard, filled it with 384K
I forgot to mention. My first 5160 was a dual-floppy model (no hard
disk). Yes that configuration was official. Both floppy drives have the
IBM logo on the faceplate.
It took me a long time to find a CGA card for it. I could get a clone one
from the local PC shop back then, but that was one ASIC and a bit of RAM.
I wanted (and eventually got) the full-length IBM one with a 6845 and
rows of TTL packages.
On the other hand I was less fussy about the serial card. The clone one
of those was a couple lf 8250s, 1488s, 1489s and TTL for the address
decoder. Trivial to produce a schematic of and keep going.
This XT now has 4 floppy drives (2 3.5" ones in an external cabinet), 2
hard drives (again in the extenral cabinet), MDA, CGA, 4 serial ports, a
24 line 'user port' and so on. Of course I did the modification and put
640K of RAM on the motherboard.
and dove right in. ?I later bought an XT
controller and a 10 MB hard
drive so that I could run PC/ix (which I am still looking for; I have
I bought Minix for mine.
[...]
I really
don't like this cavalier approach of getting something out of
storage and powering it up without doing any tests first. But anyway...
Neither do I, but I take what I can get. :) 
11:17 p.m.
By definition you have an original classic.
Well done!
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Davidson
Sent: 14 May 2010 21:58
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Don't know if anyone cares, but...
I don't know if anyone on the list will care of not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay. According to the seller, it was in
storage at a museum for 18 years. They pulled it out, dusted it and
it booted DOS right away. It's a dual-floppy model.
I won't know more until it arrives, but it was sitting at zero bids
until I bid on it with < 15 minutes left in the auction. The
description the seller had used was a bit misleading and seemed to
imply only the monitor was for sale, but I confirmed it was the entire
system.
I thought that was a pretty good deal, considering how much I paid for
my first IBM PC back in 1983 or so. :) After that, I was at Weird
Stuff Warehouse and they were asking $100 just for the monochrome
monitor! But, while there, I did pick up some software bargains: A
sealed copy of CA-CommonView (C++ GUI Library) for OS/2 for $3 and a
copy of SCO Unixware 7 (appears complete) for $5. I love Weird Stuff!
Feel free to ignore this if it's too off-topic for the list. :)
Mark
19 May
19 May
8:50 p.m.
Just an update... the IBM arrived today via FedEx Ground, and the
seller on EBay did a very good job of packing it. I opened it up and
it was immaculate inside. It contains a 256KB motherboard, a
mono/parallel card, a serial card and the floppy controller (for both
drives). It booted just fine!
I have only had time to take one photo, but it can be seen here:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4090111&l=c8189e6100&id=73497…
Mark
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Mark Davidson <mdavidson1963 at gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone on the list will care of
not, but I just
purchased a classic IBM PC (original model 5150) with a monochrome
card and monitor for $45 on EBay. ?According to the seller, it was in
storage at a museum for 18 years. ?They pulled it out, dusted it and
it booted DOS right away. ?It's a dual-floppy model.
I won't know more until it arrives, but it was sitting at zero bids
until I bid on it with < 15 minutes left in the auction. ?The
description the seller had used was a bit misleading and seemed to
imply only the monitor was for sale, but I confirmed it was the entire
system.
I thought that was a pretty good deal, considering how much I paid for
my first IBM PC back in 1983 or so. :) ?After that, I was at Weird
Stuff Warehouse and they were asking $100 just for the monochrome
monitor! ?But, while there, I did pick up some software bargains: ?A
sealed copy of CA-CommonView (C++ GUI Library) for OS/2 for $3 and a
copy of SCO Unixware 7 (appears complete) for $5. ?I love Weird Stuff!
Feel free to ignore this if it's too off-topic for the list. :)
Mark
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