29 Sep
2016
29 Sep
'16
8:12 a.m.
From: Ethan Dicks
One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged
...
Before embarking on spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone
has already done so.
This definitely sounds like a place where it would be good to have one person
specialize in this, rather than everyone rolling their own.
I, for instance, could use a number of these labels (starting with the one
that lists the boards in the 11/45 CPU - although that one's black on white).
Anyone up for becoming label-meister?
Noel
29 Sep
29 Sep
9:12 a.m.
On 29/09/2016 16:12, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Hi
I seem to remember that at least some of the markings were not
actually labels but screened onto the chassis.
White for black metalwork and black on unpainted cad and pass metalwork.
There is a process used for decals. You peel the back off and press on
to whatever. Then peel the front of and there you are.
Clear labels are available (I think). Printing black on clear OK. White
is a problem. You need a special printer.
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
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From: Ethan
Dicks
One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged
...
Before embarking on spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone
has already done so.
This definitely sounds like a place where it would be good to have one person
specialize in this, rather than everyone rolling their own.
I, for instance, could use a number of these labels (starting with the one
that lists the boards in the 11/45 CPU - although that one's black on white).
Anyone up for becoming label-meister?
Noel 
9:29 a.m.
On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
...
Clear labels are available (I think). Printing black on clear OK. White is a problem. You
need a special printer.
There are inkjet printers that support white ink (or pigment). Those are probably
professional type machines, so they are likely to cost over $1000. Possibly you can find
a service bureau that will do the job. I think I've seem them described as machines
for making labels (to put onto bottles and boxes etc.). Epson makes them if I remember
right, and there are likely to be others.
paul
9:50 a.m.
On 09/29/2016 11:12 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I seem to remember that at least some of the markings
were not actually labels but screened onto the chassis.
White for black metalwork and black on unpainted cad and
pass metalwork.
There is a process used for decals. You peel the back off
and press on to whatever. Then peel the front of and there
you are.
I use some expensive stuff from Vital Presentation
Concepts. It has 2 parts. There is a photosensitive label
material that has a sheet of dye and a sheet of
photoactivated superglue. What you expose to UV gets sticky
and pulls the dye off the other sheet. Then, you turn this
sheet over and stick it down to a double-sticky base layer.
The image is between the two plastic layers, so it is quite
durable. They have many dye colors, and they do have a
clear base sheet, too. So, it looks like they have the
combination of colors to do white lettering on a clear
base. This stuff is NOT cheap, it will cost about $200 to
get the basic stuff (5 sheets of imaging film, 5 base sheets
and the peeling pad). You will also need a way to make
master images (laser printer transparencies should work) and
a UF exposing frame.
See
https://www.vpcinc.com/Category/Quick-Mark-UV-Photographic-49.cfm
for more details.
I use this stuff for instrument panel labels. I use blue
imaging film on a white base. Then, I use an Xacto knife to
cut out for around all the switches, etc. I make the photo
masters on a laser photoplotter, which assures the lettering
all comes out right where it is supposed to. (A laser
printer will not be as accurate, but would be fine for a
simple label.)
Here's an example of one of my units that shows the label well :
http://pico-systems.com/switcher.html
I'm not suggesting this is what anybody should do, I'm just
pointing out that this material does exist, and can be used
to make some good-looking labels.
(I am also NOT volunteering to make DEC labels for anybody!)
Jon
10:03 a.m.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
I seem to remember that at least some of the markings were not actually
labels but screened onto the chassis.
Some were, but not what I'm looking at.
From: Ethan Dicks
One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged
...
Before embarking on spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if
anyone
> has already done so. White for black metalwork and black on unpainted cad
and pass metalwork.
Right. Specifically, it's white on black metalwork that I'm
addressing. Black letters are easy - use a laser printer on clear
adhesive material.
There is a process used for decals. You peel the back
off and press on to
whatever. Then peel the front of and there you are.
For cut vinyl (an option), that's how it's done - the knife scores the
adhesive vinyl then you put a transfer tape on top, peel the back,
remove all the vinyl fragments you don't want, then apply the transfer
tape and desired letters to the target and remove the transfer tape.
Clear labels are available (I think). Printing black
on clear OK. White is a
problem. You need a special printer.
Yes. That's the entire point of asking if anyone has gone down this
road before - the answers are things like
a) special printer
b) silk screen masks
c) stamps and paint
d) send it to a professional
Each approach has conveniences, inconveniences and cost.
-ethan
11:02 a.m.
> This definitely sounds like a place where it would
be good to have one
> person specialize in this, rather than everyone rolling their own.
> Anyone up for becoming label-meister?
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Rod Smallwood wrote:
There is a process used for decals. You peel the back
off and press on to
whatever. Then peel the front of and there you are.
Clear labels are available (I think). Printing black on clear OK. White is
a problem. You need a special printer.
(such as P-Touch label maker)
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
If you would be willing to add it to your endeavors, . . .
it would seem that The Panelman would be the obvious choice to
coordinate, catalog, commission, and market such decals and labels!
11:28 a.m.
On 29/09/2016 19:02, Fred Cisin wrote:
Anybody else interested in this one?
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
--
PDP-8/e PDP-8/f PDP-8/m PDP-8/i
Front Panels ex Stock - Order Now
> This
definitely sounds like a place where it would be good to have
> one person specialize in this, rather than everyone rolling their own.
> Anyone up for becoming label-meister?
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Rod Smallwood wrote:
There is a process used for decals. You peel the
back off and press
on to whatever. Then peel the front of and there you are.
Clear labels are available (I think). Printing black on clear OK.
White is a problem. You need a special printer.
(such as P-Touch label maker)
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
If you would be willing to add it to your endeavors, . . .
it would seem that The Panelman would be the obvious choice to
coordinate, catalog, commission, and market such decals and labels!
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