28 Sep
2016
28 Sep
'16
2:46 p.m.
Hi, All,
I'm restoring some stuff from the mid 1970s and a recent acquisition
was previously cleaned of mouse damage but needs to be sanded and
repainted by me. One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged (but some can probably be masked and painted around). The
level of damage I'm talking about looks a bit like this...
http://fritzm.github.io/images/pdp11/h742-corrosion.jpg
Most of the item intact, but rust and scale to be cleaned, sanded,
primed and painted. The damage to the label in that pic is
representative.
I have access to all the modern tools, so it's easy to print black on
clear adhesive sheet, but not so much with white. Before embarking on
spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone has already done
so. In particular interest to me is the era from about 1965-1980,
from PDP-8s through PDP-11s and VAX-11 machines, both
CPUs and
peripherals. I would like to get close matches and I already know in
some cases, there just aren't close matches with modern TrueType font
files. I can, of course, just take photos of the label areas now,
restore the damage, and put on stickers some time in the future, but
doing it all at once has its own appeal
-ethan
29 Sep
29 Sep
12:05 a.m.
Hi Ethan,
On my 11/45, the big power supply regulator stickers on the back of the CPU cabinet were
also badly damaged. As part of my restore, I went to some effort to make suitable
replacements. The originals were white on clear.
I found that stickeryou.com did a nice job with white on clear (look under their ?Clear
Stickers? category). It?s a little pricey at $18 for a single page, but the two big power
supply stickers I needed were most of a page so I went for it, and was pleased with the
results. I?ll put a pic of this up on my blog soon in case others are interested in how
this turned out.
I would still like to replace the exact sticker you linked to below, but couldn?t justify
a whole page to get just that one small sticker?. Please let me know if you would like to
put together a full page of various smaller stickers and split the cost, though!
A black on white vinyl process would probably also look okay for some of the smaller
stickers, I think, if you could get a laser print with a suitably dense and uniform black
field. Interested in hearing if some of the other restorers here have different/better
suggestions for this.
For the smallest stickers in my restore (connector/plug labels where I was not
particularly concerned with matching artwork/fonts) I have been using a Brother P-touch
labeler with black-on-clear and white-on-black tape cartridges.
cheers,
?FritzM.
On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, All,
I'm restoring some stuff from the mid 1970s and a recent acquisition
was previously cleaned of mouse damage but needs to be sanded and
repainted by me. One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged (but some can probably be masked and painted around). The
level of damage I'm talking about looks a bit like this...
http://fritzm.github.io/images/pdp11/h742-corrosion.jpg
Most of the item intact, but rust and scale to be cleaned, sanded,
primed and painted. The damage to the label in that pic is
representative.
I have access to all the modern tools, so it's easy to print black on
clear adhesive sheet, but not so much with white. Before embarking on
spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone has already done
so. In particular interest to me is the era from about 1965-1980,
from PDP-8s through PDP-11s and VAX-11 machines, both CPUs and
peripherals. I would like to get close matches and I already know in
some cases, there just aren't close matches with modern TrueType font
files. I can, of course, just take photos of the label areas now,
restore the damage, and put on stickers some time in the future, but
doing it all at once has its own appeal
-ethan
7:18 a.m.
White on clear is available with the Brother P-Touch label system. Just do
a google search for white on clear label tape.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:05 AM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
Hi Ethan,
On my 11/45, the big power supply regulator stickers on the back of the
CPU cabinet were also badly damaged. As part of my restore, I went to some
effort to make suitable replacements. The originals were white on clear.
I found that stickeryou.com did a nice job with white on clear (look
under their ?Clear Stickers? category). It?s a little pricey at $18 for a
single page, but the two big power supply stickers I needed were most of a
page so I went for it, and was pleased with the results. I?ll put a pic of
this up on my blog soon in case others are interested in how this turned
out.
I would still like to replace the exact sticker you linked to below, but
couldn?t justify a whole page to get just that one small sticker?. Please
let me know if you would like to put together a full page of various
smaller stickers and split the cost, though!
A black on white vinyl process would probably also look okay for some of
the smaller stickers, I think, if you could get a laser print with a
suitably dense and uniform black field. Interested in hearing if some of
the other restorers here have different/better suggestions for this.
For the smallest stickers in my restore (connector/plug labels where I was
not particularly concerned with matching artwork/fonts) I have been using a
Brother P-touch labeler with black-on-clear and white-on-black tape
cartridges.
cheers,
?FritzM.
--
Doug Ingraham
PDP-8 SN 1175
On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, All,
I'm restoring some stuff from the mid 1970s and a recent acquisition
was previously cleaned of mouse damage but needs to be sanded and
repainted by me. One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged (but some can probably be masked and painted around). The
level of damage I'm talking about looks a bit like this...
http://fritzm.github.io/images/pdp11/h742-corrosion.jpg
Most of the item intact, but rust and scale to be cleaned, sanded,
primed and painted. The damage to the label in that pic is
representative.
I have access to all the modern tools, so it's easy to print black on
clear adhesive sheet, but not so much with white. Before embarking on
spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone has already done
so. In particular interest to me is the era from about 1965-1980,
from PDP-8s through PDP-11s and VAX-11 machines, both CPUs and
peripherals. I would like to get close matches and I already know in
some cases, there just aren't close matches with modern TrueType font
files. I can, of course, just take photos of the label areas now,
restore the damage, and put on stickers some time in the future, but
doing it all at once has its own appeal
-ethan
7:20 a.m.
I noticed that the local stores don't tend to stock the white on clear
tape. I had to order the cartridge I have.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Doug Ingraham <dpi at dustyoldcomputers.com>
wrote:
White on clear is available with the Brother P-Touch
label system. Just
do a google search for white on clear label tape.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:05 AM, Fritz Mueller <fritzm at fritzm.org> wrote:
--
Doug Ingraham
PDP-8 SN 1175
Hi Ethan,
On my 11/45, the big power supply regulator stickers on the back of the
CPU cabinet were also badly damaged. As part of my restore, I went to some
effort to make suitable replacements. The originals were white on clear.
I found that stickeryou.com did a nice job with white on clear (look
under their ?Clear Stickers? category). It?s a little pricey at $18 for a
single page, but the two big power supply stickers I needed were most of a
page so I went for it, and was pleased with the results. I?ll put a pic of
this up on my blog soon in case others are interested in how this turned
out.
I would still like to replace the exact sticker you linked to below, but
couldn?t justify a whole page to get just that one small sticker?. Please
let me know if you would like to put together a full page of various
smaller stickers and split the cost, though!
A black on white vinyl process would probably also look okay for some of
the smaller stickers, I think, if you could get a laser print with a
suitably dense and uniform black field. Interested in hearing if some of
the other restorers here have different/better suggestions for this.
For the smallest stickers in my restore (connector/plug labels where I
was not particularly concerned with matching artwork/fonts) I have been
using a Brother P-touch labeler with black-on-clear and white-on-black tape
cartridges.
cheers,
?FritzM.
--
Doug Ingraham
PDP-8 SN 1175
On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, All,
I'm restoring some stuff from the mid 1970s and a recent acquisition
was previously cleaned of mouse damage but needs to be sanded and
repainted by me. One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged (but some can probably be masked and painted around). The
level of damage I'm talking about looks a bit like this...
http://fritzm.github.io/images/pdp11/h742-corrosion.jpg
Most of the item intact, but rust and scale to be cleaned, sanded,
primed and painted. The damage to the label in that pic is
representative.
I have access to all the modern tools, so it's easy to print black on
clear adhesive sheet, but not so much with white. Before embarking on
spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone has already done
so. In particular interest to me is the era from about 1965-1980,
from PDP-8s through PDP-11s and VAX-11 machines, both CPUs and
peripherals. I would like to get close matches and I already know in
some cases, there just aren't close matches with modern TrueType font
files. I can, of course, just take photos of the label areas now,
restore the damage, and put on stickers some time in the future, but
doing it all at once has its own appeal
-ethan
10:20 a.m.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Doug Ingraham wrote:
I noticed that the local stores don't tend to
stock the white on clear
tape. I had to order the cartridge I have.
Amazon.com lists them
9:57 a.m.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Doug Ingraham wrote:
White on clear is available with the Brother P-Touch
label system.
Just do a google search for white on clear label tape.
SOME of the Brother P-Touch label machines have a USB port, making it
possible to print a JPG, and not be stuck with the internal fonts.
The machines are readily available that take up to 1" wide, although 3/4"
is a more common upper limit. I don't know which machines will take wider
media.
10:05 a.m.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Doug Ingraham wrote:
>
> White on clear is available with the Brother P-Touch label system. Just do
> a google search for white on clear label tape.
Right. That's one approach if bitmaps are possible. The usual
internal fonts are not close.
SOME of the Brother P-Touch label machines have a USB
port, making it
possible to print a JPG, and not be stuck with the internal fonts.
That would be a good list to explore.
The machines are readily available that take up to
1" wide, although 3/4" is
a more common upper limit. I don't know which machines will take wider
media.
I used to have one of these - it was sent to recycling in the past
year in part because I didn't have any TZ tapes and because the
drivers for it were for Mac OS 7 and Windows 3.1... (it was not USB -
it was RS-232 - it was far older than USB)
-ethan
10:55 a.m.
> SOME of the Brother P-Touch label machines have a
USB port, making it
> possible to print a JPG, and not be stuck with the internal fonts.
> The machines are readily available that take up to 1" wide, although 3/4"
is
> a more common upper limit. I don't know which machines will take wider
> media.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016, Ethan Dicks wrote:
That would be a good list to explore.
I used to have one of these - it was sent to recycling in the past
year in part because I didn't have any TZ tapes and because the
drivers for it were for Mac OS 7 and Windows 3.1... (it was not USB -
it was RS-232 - it was far older than USB)
The term they use is "connectible"|"connectable"
I'd recommend the ones with keyboard, since it is a little more convenient
to use the internals when you don't need fonts and graphics.
Check out the PTD600 ($70)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/381136194700 (newegg)
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-…
Note: old machines will take TZ tapes AND take TZE tapes. New machines
will take TZE tapes, and will NOT take TZ tapes. Difference appears to be
a hole in the cartridge and a plastic peg in the newer machines for the
purpose of preventing using the older (widely copied) tapes. Once the
"new" tapes are more widely copied, maybe they will "upgrade" to one
with TWO pegs. Cutting off peg in machine would void warranty. Drilling
hole in cartridge might be prosecutable under DMCA? Mine is an old
PT-2600; until it finishes dying, and I replace it with a newer (TZE), I
haven't needed to experiment.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
7:16 a.m.
Hi, All,
I'm restoring some stuff from the mid 1970s and a recent acquisition
was previously cleaned of mouse damage but needs to be sanded and
repainted by me. One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged (but some can probably be masked and painted around). The
level of damage I'm talking about looks a bit like this...
http://fritzm.github.io/images/pdp11/h742-corrosion.jpg
Most of the item intact, but rust and scale to be cleaned, sanded,
primed and painted. The damage to the label in that pic is
representative.
I have access to all the modern tools, so it's easy to print black on
clear adhesive sheet, but not so much with white. Before embarking on
spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone has already done
so. In particular interest to me is the era from about 1965-1980,
from PDP-8s through PDP-11s and VAX-11 machines, both CPUs and
peripherals. I would like to get close matches and I already know in
some cases, there just aren't close matches with modern TrueType font
files. I can, of course, just take photos of the label areas now,
restore the damage, and put on stickers some time in the future, but
doing it all at once has its own appeal
-ethan
A few months ago I made a test transparent waterslide decal to see how it
would turn out, in preparation for a larger piece.
Seeing the subject of this thread, it prompted me to make a note and put
up some photos at
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/entry.php?643-DECals
It's not difficult at all if the colours involved are not white. In
Ethan's situation however, screenprinting or vinyl stencil cutting may
work better.
Steve.
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