14 Jun
2008
14 Jun
'08
3:47 p.m.
Is anyone else questioning if this 'original'
might instead be one of Steve Gabaly's
(aka 'obtronix') replicas?
That appears to be the case. The Rockwell 40 pin chip is wrong as well.
Unfortuantely, "counterfeits" doesn't appear to be in any of the categories
eBay lets you report.
14 Jun
14 Jun
3:56 p.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
I have a high resolution scan of the top of a real Apple I board on bitsavers
under Apple. The glaring difference is the text "Palo Alto, Ca. Copyright 1976"
is missing, as well as the NTI board fab logo just below that.
This is the replica board.
Is anyone else
questioning if this 'original' might instead be one of
Steve Gabaly's
(aka 'obtronix') replicas?
That appears to be the case. The Rockwell 40 pin chip is wrong as well.
Unfortuantely, "counterfeits" doesn't appear to be in any of the
categories
eBay lets you report.
4:28 p.m.
2008/6/14 Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>:
I have a high resolution scan of the top of a real
Apple I board on
bitsavers under Apple. The glaring difference is the text "Palo Alto,
Ca. Copyright 1976" is missing, as well as the NTI board fab logo
just below that.
Looks like the typeface is different as well. Too bad...
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4:40 p.m.
Is it just coincidence that this one sold to someone in LaPorte, IN on
Jun-08-08
Apple I Reproduction Apple 1 Computer Working Rare
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130227527390
And this one is for sale from "NW Indiana"?
EXTREMELY RARE Vintage Apple 1 Computer HOLY GRAIL I
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220246191431
5:02 p.m.
Ebay lets you report the listing as counterfeit, which is what I did.
If you think this way, then report it as well. Use the "Report this
item" link at the bottom of the auction listing, then select:
- Counterfeits and copyright violations
- Fraudulent listings
- You received an item that may be fake
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5:11 p.m.
From: glen.slick at gmail.com
Is it just coincidence that this one sold to someone in LaPorte, IN on
Jun-08-08
Apple I Reproduction Apple 1 Computer Working Rare
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130227527390
And this one is for sale from "NW Indiana"?
EXTREMELY RARE Vintage Apple 1 Computer HOLY GRAIL I
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220246191431
Oh my. It is the same one. notice the miss-cut lable on the cassette board.
They are cut exactly the same.
Dwight
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8:16 p.m.
Hi
One might compare the cassette boards. It is relatively clear that these
two boards are the same board. I don't means similar looking but the same
exact board. My guess is that someone has swapped the boards. Possibly
one of the "Apple Experts" he had look at the board.
I don't think the seller realizes that yet. He'll have a hard time dealing with
the law if he lets the sale go through.
Dwight
From: glen.slick at gmail.com> > Is it just
coincidence that this one sold to someone in LaPorte, IN on> Jun-08-08> > Apple I
Reproduction Apple 1 Computer Working Rare>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130227527390> > And this one
is for sale from "NW Indiana"?> > EXTREMELY RARE Vintage Apple 1 Computer
HOLY GRAIL I> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220246191431
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7:07 p.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
One thing that's very obvious is the modern geometries in the pcb
design. From the small closeup, you can see that within the pcb traces
all the 45 bends are perfectly symmetrical and the corresponding corners
are sharp as a knife. Boards of the day always had a some discernible
tolerance between the traces and distinct rounding of the corners, even
the 45 bends.
To report this, you can use the generic step 1= Counterfiets and
copyright violations, Bootleg and Step=2 Potential Trademark
Infringement, Step3 = other replica or counterfiet items
=Dan
[ Pittsburgh --- http://www2.applegate.org/~ragooman/ ]
Is anyone else
questioning if this 'original' might instead be one
of Steve Gabaly's
(aka 'obtronix') replicas?
That appears to be the case. The Rockwell 40 pin chip is wrong as well.
Unfortuantely, "counterfeits" doesn't appear to be in any of the
categories
eBay lets you report.
8:46 p.m.
At 03:07 PM 6/14/2008, you wrote:
Al Kossow wrote:
One thing that's very obvious is the modern geometries in the pcb
design. From the small closeup, you can see that within the pcb
traces all the 45 bends are perfectly symmetrical and the
corresponding corners are sharp as a knife. Boards of the day always
had a some discernible tolerance between the traces and distinct
rounding of the corners, even the 45 bends.
The traces are different, but in general that isn't a good way to
identify a vintage / replica PCB.
The cassette board is also missing the copyright and NTI logo.
There are too many specific details about this to list them all...
Is anyone
else questioning if this 'original' might instead be
one of Steve
Gabaly's
(aka 'obtronix') replicas?
That appears to be the case. The Rockwell 40 pin chip is wrong as well.
Unfortuantely, "counterfeits" doesn't appear to be in any of the categories
eBay lets you report.
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